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4 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

OK. Except I don't see it as a "demotion". I see it as changes being made when an opportunity was about to present itself with the departure of a key person. But you could be right.

Fair enough, I guess it's one of those things that could be taken either way. My impression of it is anytime you're making changes midseason, following a review process, and someone ends up with less responsibility then it's a demotion in my eyes. Can see how it's open to interpretation though.

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1 minute ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Better tell the doctors what he is in for:

Sam Weideman | Jaw – Season

Or is this proof that the hip bone is connected to the jaw bone?

Appears it will be both. I think he's already had the jaw surgery.

Poor lad, it's quite symbolic of our year.

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43 minutes ago, grazman said:

It was reported earlier in the year from a poster in the know that he needed surgery on both hips at the end of the season. I suspect this may not have helped him with his form over the year.

The hip bone is connected to the jaw bone?

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2 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

OK. Except I don't see it as a "demotion". I see it as changes being made when an opportunity was about to present itself with the departure of a key person. But you could be right.

He's not right. Misson is still Elite Performance Manager, there has been some restructuring under him and within the fitness and conditioning department. LN is another here who loves tilting at windmills.

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2 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I missed that. What happened to Misson, or his role, in the midseason shuffle?

Nothing.

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3 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Would have thought the weight of evidence ...

If only that were true. We have no evidence. All we have on Demonland are elaborate stories based on nothing but speculation from people who have no expertise in the field.

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Pathetic that there is no mention of Bull Smith and Maynard in the injury report. The quality of these reports has gone down the crapper this year.

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20 minutes ago, bing181 said:

If only that were true. We have no evidence. All we have on Demonland are elaborate stories based on nothing but speculation from people who have no expertise in the field.

Don't agree mate.

We have our massive injury list.

We have players continually listed as "4-6 weeks" or "TBC" who end up missing a whole season.

We have player parents complaining about how their sons are being managed.

We have players re-entering the field after injury, only to miss weeks afterwards.

We have players seemingly returning very quickly from injury, only to end up missing again with the same injury.

We have our famous 4th quarter fade outs.

And we have Misson being demoted midseason.

I have nothing against the bloke at all, I actually think he cops it more than he should, but looking at the past year the sheer weight of evidence says things were not handled to an "elite" standard, for whatever reason. None of the above is speculation, and none of it requires "expertise in the field".

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13 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

Pathetic that there is no mention of Bull Smith and Maynard in the injury report. The quality of these reports has gone down the crapper this year.

Come on mate, you're not allowed to be critical or factual unless you have a medical degree apparently.

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14 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

Pathetic that there is no mention of Bull Smith and Maynard in the injury report. The quality of these reports has gone down the crapper this year.

Agreed.

Bull Smith is not a good player but I’d happily welcome him back at the expense of Preuss, particularly given its going to be  practically snowing on Saturday.

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1 minute ago, Lord Nev said:

Come on mate, you're not allowed to be critical or factual unless you have a medical degree apparently.

I have one, actually- not that it means much.

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43 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

I have one, actually- not that it means much.

Oh, I am sure your family are very proud of you.

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1 hour ago, bing181 said:

He's not right. Misson is still Elite Performance Manager, there has been some restructuring under him and within the fitness and conditioning department. LN is another here who loves tilting at windmills.

Yes, I'm sure they restructured the fitness & conditioning department midseason, giving others more responsibility in the process, because they were so happy with Misson's performance after the club-wide review.

Stop being naive. No one is saying he's not a great bloke, not highly qualified or not done a good job in the past, but you simply can not ignore the past year.

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On 8/3/2019 at 11:42 AM, Webber said:

For all those going off about Neville Jetta’s supposed mismanagement, unless you’ve been part of the medical/rehab/fitness process first hand, you simply have no justification for such a presumption. As much as you might hope otherwise, timing the return to playing is NOT an exact science. There is ALWAYS a grey area that engulfs ‘maybe too soon, cherry ripe, and could have come back earlier’. And don’t forget there is pressure from everywhere to avoid the latter. From player, coach, management, supporters, media. And it will NEVER be perfect. If you think opinions based on hindsight grant certainty, you’re an idiot. 

 

On 8/4/2019 at 8:34 AM, goodwindees said:

Webber, if you are not already part of the Club’s Social Media PR team, you should be.  Either that, or you define the term, Club Apologist. 

'Webber' is a physio mate, I trust his view on these issues.

He gives good insights as he has in this case.

I know we're all p....off with this season and the club but you're off the mark here.

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6 hours ago, chook fowler said:

Pathetic that there is no mention of Bull Smith and Maynard in the injury report. The quality of these reports has gone down the crapper this year.

I kind of enjoy the added challenge of validating our full list against theother lists that are published. 

Full List - Injury List - MFC squad - Casey Squad = MPOTW

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6 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Don't agree mate.

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And welcome to Fantasyland.

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5 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Yes, I'm sure they restructured the fitness & conditioning department midseason ...

You mean the fitness and conditioning department that Misson is still head of?

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Why does a young fit man need operations on both hips 

Is it a congenital defect they are correcting seems very strange given the amount of footy he hasnt played.

Maybe his bones are soft or connecting  tissue weak.

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Cameron Ling of all folk induced a mini-insight this week. He was banging on about how we would have no excuses next year regarding a later start to the pre-season, tsk tsk. Richmong recently backed a flag up with a prelim appearance you see. No mention of the Tiger's three elimination finals and bottoming out for a year leading up to that though. And definitely no mention of the Cats reaching a prelim and semi before dropping out of finals for a year prior to their 2007 premiership - teams which Ling was a member of.

We certainly had an interrupted preseason with a huge number of surgeries, aggravated by the later start and then a massive knock in confidence once 2019 was underway. Most of our midfield didn't train together until well after Xmas, and the injuries to our offensive and defensive lines have been coming consistently ever since. Yet, three months later with no sign of improvement and that nagging feeling starts to creep in - why can other teams seemingly manage with injuries and back up in the finals year after year with later pre-season starts?

The insight is this: while a few on here acknowledge the above injuries and late start as a significant factor in our horrible slide this year (with many of those losing patience over recent weeks), little has been said of the combination of those factors with the age/inexperience of our list. Only one member on our team has ever had to back up from finals - an elimination final at that. Meanwhile (without running the numbers), most of those going in for post-season surgery were likely under 24, possibly experiencing their first major clean-ups.

I'm not an elite sportsperson - and I definitely wasn't one in my early twenties. I have no idea what it's like returning as a young footballer from dual shoulder surgery (taking Oliver as an example) and the trying to develop confidence in those limbs/body parts again in a limited time-frame knowing I'm coming up against ruthless competitors. Forget the age spread, the primary drivers of our team are kids; they're experiencing something entirely new this season, and I'll be backing them in to learn something valuable from this year.

 

 

 

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42 minutes ago, Skuit said:

Cameron Ling of all folk induced a mini-insight this week. He was banging on about how we would have no excuses next year regarding a later start to the pre-season, tsk tsk. Richmong recently backed a flag up with a prelim appearance you see. No mention of the Tiger's three elimination finals and bottoming out for a year leading up to that though. And definitely no mention of the Cats reaching a prelim and semi before dropping out of finals for a year prior to their 2007 premiership - teams which Ling was a member of.

We certainly had an interrupted preseason with a huge number of surgeries, aggravated by the later start and then a massive knock in confidence once 2019 was underway. Most of our midfield didn't train together until well after Xmas, and the injuries to our offensive and defensive lines have been coming consistently ever since. Yet, three months later with no sign of improvement and that nagging feeling starts to creep in - why can other teams seemingly manage with injuries and back up in the finals year after year with later pre-season starts?

The insight is this: while a few on here acknowledge the above injuries and late start as a significant factor in our horrible slide this year (with many of those losing patience over recent weeks), little has been said of the combination of those factors with the age/inexperience of our list. Only one member on our team has ever had to back up from finals - an elimination final at that. Meanwhile (without running the numbers), most of those going in for post-season surgery were likely under 24, possibly experiencing their first major clean-ups.

I'm not an elite sportsperson - and I definitely wasn't one in my early twenties. I have no idea what it's like returning as a young footballer from dual shoulder surgery (taking Oliver as an example) and the trying to develop confidence in those limbs/body parts again in a limited time-frame knowing I'm coming up against ruthless competitors. Forget the age spread, the primary drivers of our team are kids; they're experiencing something entirely new this season, and I'll be backing them in to learn something valuable from this year.

 

 

 

A good post but I"m not sure injuries and lack of pre-season explain the entire problem. Whilst a slide is to be expected given the circumstances I feel there are game plan and coaching issues that nee to be addressed, and it looks like they are. One commentator summed it up by saying it's mental and cultural 

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10 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

A good post but I"m not sure injuries and lack of pre-season explain the entire problem. Whilst a slide is to be expected given the circumstances I feel there are game plan and coaching issues that nee to be addressed, and it looks like they are. One commentator summed it up by saying it's mental and cultural 

This is the injury thread so I don't want to diverge too much, but most of us are willing to accept that one thing leads to/impacts another in our own lives or what we see in those around us. For a number of reasons the jury was still out for me re. Simon's game-plan last year, but due to all the factors of this year I still don't feel I'm in a place to judge yay or nay. Mental and cultural issues are still going to be a part of the problem until we are mature and consistently winning. Our high-press was exposed numerous times last year - but it was still evident and we had the requisite intensity. This year, there has been no obvious intensity - i.e the game-plan being at plain fault.

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16 hours ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Better tell the doctors what he is in for:

Steven May | Hamstring – Test

Jake Lever | Ankle – Test

Charlie Spargo | Calf – Test

Mitch Hannan | Groin – 1-2 weeks

Tom Sparrow | Knee – 2-3 weeks

Aaron vandenBerg | Foot – Season

Neville Jetta | Knee - Season

Jeff Garlett | Shoulder – Season

Kade Kolodjashnij | Head – Season

Tom McDonald | Knee – Season

Aaron Nietschke | Knee – Season

Joel Smith | Groin – Season

Sam Weideman | Jaw – Season

Guy Walker | Shoulder – Indefinite

 

Or is this proof that the hip bone is connected to the jaw bone?

 

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... and Tim Smith is the mystery man this week

Injury List: Round 21
 
Steven May (hamstring) – test
Jake Lever (ankle) – test
Charlie Spargo (calf) –  test
Mitch Hannan (groin) – 1-2 weeks
Tom Sparrow (knee) – 2-3 weeks
Aaron vandenBerg (foot) – season
Neville Jetta (knee) - season
Jeff Garlett (shoulder) – season
Kade Kolodjashnij (head) – Season
Tom McDonald (knee) – season
Aaron Nietschke  (knee) – season
Joel Smith (groin) – season
Sam Weideman (jaw) – season
Guy Walker (shoulder) – Indefinite

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