17 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Yes, this is also about May and the club working towards improving the list.

It's one thing to say that we can play Hogan as a defender and another for the proud forward to actually want to play as a defender.

McDonald, Hogan and Weideman in the same forward half simply doesn't work, whereas May coming into our defence is significant to our fortunes.  Weideman's progression is key in all of this.  The club has always rated him highly and his ability to take contested marks and be BOG in a final would give the club confidence that we can make the best of an unwanted situation.  

I don't think we win the flag in 2019 with a defence that includes Frost and McDonald.  A defence that includes May and McDonald is much better equipped to take that next level.  And with Lever back Gawn will be able to push forward more next year rather than drift back to intercept mark.  

The club will be doing everything to ensure Hogan leaving actually makes us better.  May is worth one first rounder and Hogan should yield two.  Does the club take the other pick to the draft or use it for more immediate gains.

I'm a Hogan fan, but it is possible we improve from his leaving.

I fully agree with this ^^ BUT i was hoping Jesse would play one more year with us. 

That’s the sad bit. We are close...

But that’s up to Hogan. 

For him to miss this years Final series was so sad considering what he has been through, and i am sure the MFC have always been there for him.

Need to do a strong deal

i wanted hogan to stay but now must get in two top 10 picks. 

Whatever the compensation may be, it’s clear to me from Jones’ comments that Hogan is leaving.

I have full trust in the club to maximise the compensation, but I hope we don’t cough-up too much for May.  Any compensation pick we send to Fold Coast will hopefully net is May and KK at least.

16 hours ago, Pates said:

Haha I nearly vomited when he said that. 

Like hell they are ?

[censored] decision

Quite sad

Okay I will say it but this whole thing stinks. 

I’d love the trade to be:

neale to bris for pick 4

pick 4 and freo future 1st to us for hogan

pick 4 to port for 9 and 10

10 and our future 1st to gc for may and kk.

Will leave us with pick 9, freos future 1st, may and kk for hogan and a pick in the late teens next year

Edited September 29, 20186 yr by demon-4-life
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5 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I fully agree with this ^^ BUT i was hoping Jesse would play one more year with us. 

That’s the sad bit. We are close...

But that’s up to Hogan. 

For him to miss this years Final series was so sad considering what he has been through, and i am sure the MFC have always been there for him.

if hes going...best he be gone...so to speak.  Then you can concentrate on your new line ups and structures...NOW..why wait...a Premiership awaits laddy !!

25 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

Worst moment as a demons supporter in my lifetime. Two firsts isn't enough. 9 and 10 is a joke of a trade for a player of his quality. We have been smashed again. Worse than the Scully trade.

I hate football.

ummmm......no trade details have been confirmed or settled yet......in fact neither has a trade

patience grasshopper............it will still take quite a few weeks

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

if hes going...best he be gone...so to speak.  Then you can concentrate on your new line ups and structures...NOW..why wait...a Premiership awaits laddy !!

I wanted Jesse to leave with a Flag...

Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

I wanted Jesse to leave with a Flag...

I more concerned with me seeing a flag, the club seeing flags, than Jesse. He can look after himself.

4 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

ummmm......no trade details have been confirmed or settled yet......in fact neither has a trade

patience grasshopper............it will still take quite a few weeks

Actually only 2 and a half weeks at most. Might know the full deal in 9 days.

31 minutes ago, rumpole said:

I think they have described themselves more as being realists rather than shrewd which is how they dealt with the charge that giving away two draft picks early to get Jake Lever might have been “overs”.  They are now in the exact opposite situation where they hold all of the cards and the Dockers want to snare a big fish. Let’s see how shrewd they are now.

Why do posters continue to perpetuate the myth that the Lever trade was for 2 first rounders only?  We got a 2nd back and late 4th to mid 3rd round upgrade.  Do you always say keep the change when you hand over a $50?

It was actually a better deal than the originally mooted 1st + 2nd.  Particularly because we finished high in 2018 and this year's first was devalued.

It was a good deal IMO.

Edited September 29, 20186 yr by Fifty-5

15 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Overreaction or what. You have no idea whay the details are. Get a grip man.

Read the thread. I've been across it the whole time. Come back to me in 8 years when we see what he's like when his career comes full term. I stick with my assessment. He's been a star since his first game he's not gonna somehow turn crap as soon as he goes to Dockers.

Gutted Jesse is leaving? I wish him all the best for the future.

I hope we don't give two first round picks just for May? Sorry i don't think he is worth it, maybe a early second pick?

If true, then it's a very disappointing decision from Jesse. I feel as though the club has shown him tremendous support throughout a variety of things and there is a small part of me that hoped he would return that support. 

However, it's hard to get your back up about it when clubs sometimes show little loyalty to players as well. This is the current landscape of football, and while it's a tough pill to swallow, I trust the FD to get the right deal, to get it done quick and to ensure it makes us better in the long run. 

The one solace we can take is that Weideman is starting to really come on and we may be shoring up our degence further with May and possibly KK. If we get two first rounders then we may also hold on to it to add a quality young player to our list as well, or move that on to improve us even further.

At the end of the day it sucks to potentially lose Jesse, but if he does go home then I'm comfortable that we can still come out of it looking great on the other side. 

17 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Reliably told Jesse has 

A. Formally asked to be traded to Fremantle. 

B. The dockers have agreed in principal to 2 first round picks this year for hogan 

will be either 6 &10 or 9&10 and an exchange of later picks. Some haggling to go on there. 

Steven may looking all but certain to join in exchange for one of those picks. I suspect kk will be involved in that deal.

apologies if this news is already known, I haven’t been able to keep track on this thread.

kk?

Outside of that, not with standing this has potential to be really positive for us in pick/player, I’m really disappointed to see him go. Was really hoping he was going to see some enjoyable footy at the Dees after his tough run let along feel like he could be a 70 goal fwd.

 

On 8/13/2018 at 12:57 PM, Jaded said:

OK lets say we could trade Hogan for Kelly who is a superstar, who does Kelly kick to up forward? Where do we get 50+ goals a season from?

If we trade Hogan, we have to at the very least replace his output like for like, if not better it.

If you can find me a KPF Hogan's age who will kick 50+ goals a season, every season, then I'm super open to discuss a trade.  

On 8/13/2018 at 12:24 PM, Wiseblood said:

Who is this ready made player, who is actually available, that will improve us going forward?

Who is going to cover the 50 odd goals that Hogan has kicked for us this year?

I look forward to your suggestions.  Remember, I'd like to see players who will actually be available and that we need to trade for.  Gaff doesn't count because we can get him without trading.

We're about to find out I reckon.

Just now, Dappa Dan said:

Read the thread. I've been across it the whole time. Come back to me in 8 years when we see what he's like when his career comes full term. I stick with my assessment. He's been a star since his first game he's not gonna somehow turn crap as soon as he goes to Dockers.

If Hogan goes what do we get in return? You have no idea. This could be the best deal for the MFC ever. Yes Hogan may go on to be the best player ever, but if we win 4 flags in a row who wins?

Just now, Fifty-5 said:

Why do posters continue to perpetuate the myth that the Lever trade was for 2 first rounders only? 

Because no-one cares about the points system. The only way it's relevant is if we're GWS or Sydney or a club that needs good academy players and we need to cash in for the bidding system. Some demons supporters (not necessarily you) are desperate to say we didn't get smashed in that deal, and the only evidence is the points... and the fact we have Taylor hitting home runs with later picks like Hunt, Fritta and Spargo (a 2nd/3rd round pick in his hands is worth much more)...

The second 1st rounder is still a serious piece of draft capital, especially in a superdraft. And so far, because of Lever's knee, we've had almost no return on it. Don't get me wrong, I'm still confident it'll work out... But don't kid yoruself into thinking we somehow pulled the wool over the crows eyes because we did well this season and because the picks are worth more points. Noone gives a stuff about that.

39 minutes ago, america de cali said:

Good to see the Hogan circus finally leave town. 

Feels a bit that way. 

Dont feel too sad about this. 

Time for us to get max value and move on 

Just now, Wiseblood said:

If true, then it's a very disappointing decision from Jesse. I feel as though the club has shown him tremendous support throughout a variety of things and there is a small part of me that hoped he would return that support. 

However, it's hard to get your back up about it when clubs sometimes show little loyalty to players as well. This is the current landscape of football, and while it's a tough pill to swallow, I trust the FD to get the right deal, to get it done quick and to ensure it makes us better in the long run. 

The one solace we can take is that Weideman is starting to really come on and we may be shoring up our degence further with May and possibly KK. If we get two first rounders then we may also hold on to it to add a quality young player to our list as well, or move that on to improve us even further.

At the end of the day it sucks to potentially lose Jesse, but if he does go home then I'm comfortable that we can still come out of it looking great on the other side. 

Good point, you make Wiseblood, still hurts

1 hour ago, Danelska said:

the brave new world of the the player one year out from contract is in control

And before long it will be 2 years out as it is in all the major sports all over the world.  We're just catching up here in Oz but people are the same all over.

As inevitable as night following day

 

56 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

It has been described as the true free agency

Free agency opened up the thinking

Those rallying against change are wasting their time.  The club's best strategy is to bypass the 'If you can't beat them, join them' angle and to get to the forefront of change.

I reckon that's what we're actually doing but we're not being very loud about it.

3 minutes ago, ManDee said:

If Hogan goes what do we get in return? You have no idea. This could be the best deal for the MFC ever. Yes Hogan may go on to be the best player ever, but if we win 4 flags in a row who wins?

ASK west coast supporter how they feel about Judd leaving 

I’m not worried in the slightest, this club has never been in better hands, strap in for this trade period it’s gonna be a ripper