Post Match Discussion - Round 23

[What 18,810]

All the goals   http://www.melbournefc.com.au/video/2018-08-27/rd-23-all-the-goals

 

[kev martin 9,514]

9 minutes ago, sue said:

I'm not sure if I'm in favour of marking the spot or not, but it would take no time for the ump when indicating the spot to also spray a dot. No need for a line.

I've been noticing it more in general play than with the set shot. 

Also heard Macca encouraging them at training to do the same.

Basically it's  the same problem,  the umps don't seem to be enforcing the creeping.

Edited August 27, 2018 by 000

[DeeSpencer 24,790]

1 hour ago, small but forward said:

Completely unrelated to 2013, and aligned with the game yesterday; I was fast drawing the conclusion that the umpires should have a can of shaving cream to set the mark (like they do in the soccer for the 10m exclusion zone on free kicks). GWS were repeatedly standing back 2-3m for set shots and then running towards the goal kicker to put them off; and (it looked to me, at least) over the mark more than once. I was getting more and more irate.

Spot on!

28 minutes ago, 000 said:

I think they are all being instructed to creep the mark. Seems the umps arn't enforcing it too often.

Shaving cream will just slow the game down and make for congestion.

Players now routinely use most of the shot clock. An obvious reaction to its introduction. Given the umpires go and mark the spot, often with their boots, spraying a line of shaving cream would either be quicker or take no longer. No idea why it hasn't come in yet.

[Gorgoroth 12,712]

27 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

There's a few like that.  Olisik and Mr. White are others that come to mind.

I’m still here ?

[sue 9,018]

15 minutes ago, 000 said:

I've been noticing it more in general play than with the set shot. 

Also heard Macca encouraging them at training to do the same.

Basically it's  the same problem,  the umps don't seem to be enforcing the creeping.

I was thinking only doing it for set shots.  Agree it would be silly all over the ground - the ump would be in the way.

[Willmoy1947 3,971]

10 minutes ago, 000 said:

I've been noticing it more in general play than with the set shot. 

Also heard Macca encouraging them at training to do the same.

Basically it's  the same problem,  the umps don't seem to be enforcing the creeping.

as well, Geometry, the art of drawing an imaginary straight line (in even a bald or alien shaped head)  between the centre of the goal square boundary line, and the position of where the mark/free kick is to be taken for all teams, even MFC......... 

[daisycutter 29,342]

21 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

By pigeon?

i prefer a snail

[In Harmes Way 7,712]

On the train on the way home from the game last night,  I was wondering if the AFL would be happy that their skewed/rigged fixture for 2018 fell over whereby they tried to keep the dees out of the 8 by having us play (and lose to) 3 of the 4 "top 4" teams in the last three rounds. Suck eggs Gil.

The only thing they didn't do was have these games with 6 day breaks as well. But sneakily, most of our opposition across the year had at least an extra days rest (incl. all 3 opponents in the last three rounds). 

[binman 42,010]

5 hours ago, Demonised said:

I want to draw attention to Oscar Mac's first kick, the one that ended up in our opening goal. Precise, attacking, audacious, skimming just over a giant and into Jordan Lewis's hands. Deserves accolades. 

Was brilliant wasn't it. Had to laugh though - watched the replay and the commentators did not mention his name when they replayed the goal. All over Lewis and Melksham 'needle in a hay stack!'). Like he didn't exist. Seems to happen a bit. i'm convinced something about the the way he plays, perhaps because he is slow and looks a bit like a stoner, means commentators think all his fantastic work is happenstance.   

Just watched his AFL stats pro involvements and his kicking was fantastic. Very attacking and involved in a number of scoring chains. His kick to Gawn in the third was another pearler.

 

[binman 42,010]

5 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Spot on!

Players now routinely use most of the shot clock. An obvious reaction to its introduction. Given the umpires go and mark the spot, often with their boots, spraying a line of shaving cream would either be quicker or take no longer. No idea why it hasn't come in yet.

Agree. A simple fix, to what is becoming a real issue - GWS did it almost every time yesterday (we proably did too, but i didn't notice, strangely enough). The 50 metre penalty was introduced to stop exactly this issue. Blatant and owis verty effective at stopping player splaying on.

So they don't play this 50 but play the stupid exclusion zone, which rarely actually impedes a player from playing on. Crazy.

[chook fowler 19,266]

It’s probably already been said but when you watch the replay of all the goals it is obvious how important Charlie Spargo was - he set at least 3 goals. He is a gem and is flying under the radar because he is not at all flashy but full of footy smarts.

[Cards13 9,117]

6 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

There's a few like that.  Olisik and Mr. White are others that come to mind.

TGR and bluey... 

[Pates 9,625]

7 hours ago, small but forward said:

Completely unrelated to 2013, and aligned with the game yesterday; I was fast drawing the conclusion that the umpires should have a can of shaving cream to set the mark (like they do in the soccer for the 10m exclusion zone on free kicks). GWS were repeatedly standing back 2-3m for set shots and then running towards the goal kicker to put them off; and (it looked to me, at least) over the mark more than once. I was getting more and more irate.

Not a bad idea, and it would get rid of the controversy when it does happen of commentators asking, “did he go over the mark?” I noticed Spargo marked the spot when he had his shot for goal, it was just just another thing in his routine that looked rushed. I really hope someone is helping him with that, it wouldn’t surprise me if it assists him in getting better penetration because his body looks so tense as he goes to kick it. 

But definitely for the spray can for marking the mark, only thing is does the umpire call time off while he does it but it’s still a part of the set shot clock? Because the player kicking for goal could conceivably use the umpire as a shield to play on for a snap. 

[Dr. Gonzo 23,723]

13 hours ago, dieter said:

I said when Vandenberg came back that he was an important addition: there were scoffers. I bet they scoff no more...

I'd written him off, didn't think there was anyway he'd be back this year (if ever) after missing so much footy.

[DEE fence 4,923]

14 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Spot on!

Players now routinely use most of the shot clock. An obvious reaction to its introduction. Given the umpires go and mark the spot, often with their boots, spraying a line of shaving cream would either be quicker or take no longer. No idea why it hasn't come in yet.

I wondered why there was a player that made such a big point of marking the turf, makes sense now, can't remember who just at the moment but was on the telecast.

[Pates 9,625]

I’ll admit that I wasn’t sure Vanders was best 22, I saw him as being a part of if the best 25 but I have been proven wrong. He has been very important since returning. 

[deanox 9,670]

21 hours ago, dieter said:

I said when Vandenberg came back that he was an important addition: there were scoffers. I bet they scoff no more...

I didn't scoff at the potential but the expectation. I've been presently surprised that he has lived up to it in his first few weeks back.  Will be an important fringe/role player moving forward if he can keep his body together. 

[deanox 9,670]

9 hours ago, chook fowler said:

It’s probably already been said but when you watch the replay of all the goals it is obvious how important Charlie Spargo was - he set at least 3 goals. He is a gem and is flying under the radar because he is not at all flashy but full of footy smarts.

What I noticed during the game was that his touches were often impactful.  A deft or clever disposal that was to advantage or into space.

He might not get many touches but he has a knack for "creating" with those limited disposals rather than "collecting" or accumulating stats. Its for this reason I don't think he'll be dropped. 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

42 minutes ago, deanox said:

What I noticed during the game was that his touches were often impactful.  A deft or clever disposal that was to advantage or into space.

He might not get many touches but he has a knack for "creating" with those limited disposals rather than "collecting" or accumulating stats. Its for this reason I don't think he'll be dropped. 

Spot on.

I can recall at least three goals he set up - the clever chip kick to AVB, the quick handpass over the top the ended with the Petracca goal and then the handpass to Jones for a goal in the third term.  He gets to the right positions and makes smart decisions with the ball in hand.  Goodwin would love what he's bringing to the side right now and, as you say, he won't be dropped.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

Spargo, Fritsch and Hannan are examples of the footballers versus athletes syndrome.

They are all footballers who know how to play football. They don't have to taught the game in the middle of a match (eg Mason Cox).

They just know where to go, how to get the ball, and what to do with it when they have it.

Going to be fantastic watching Spargo and in particular Fritsch (whom I hereby curse with the tag of the New Robbie Flower) when they've got a couple of preseasons into them.

[jnrmac 19,905]

21 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

I think there's a good chance Gysberts would make it if he arrived at the club now.  Development is a lot better and he could play.

He didn't want to.

[jnrmac 19,905]

4 hours ago, Pates said:

I’ll admit that I wasn’t sure Vanders was best 22, I saw him as being a part of if the best 25 but I have been proven wrong. He has been very important since returning. 

Why would you be? He had played 28 game with 24 of them being pretty average and he was 25 after being out of the game for almost 2 years. There was nothing to be optimistic about. 

But he has been a revelation since returning and his hardness is fantastic.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

18 hours ago, small but forward said:

On the train on the way home from the game last night,  I was wondering if the AFL would be happy that their skewed/rigged fixture for 2018 fell over whereby they tried to keep the dees out of the 8 by having us play (and lose to) 3 of the 4 "top 4" teams in the last three rounds. Suck eggs Gil.

The only thing they didn't do was have these games with 6 day breaks as well. But sneakily, most of our opposition across the year had at least an extra days rest (incl. all 3 opponents in the last three rounds). 

Yep....and that pattern will continue with Rich/Hawthorn getting the extra day going into the following final.

[DeeSpencer 24,790]

4 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Why would you be? He had played 28 game with 24 of them being pretty average and he was 25 after being out of the game for almost 2 years. There was nothing to be optimistic about. 

But he has been a revelation since returning and his hardness is fantastic.

I was always a big fan, no idea if he could get back to this level this year and it's still a bit early to say what level he'll reach consistently but I was hoping he had this in him. He injured his ankle in 2015 and should never have been playing in the games he did play in 2016. But I did believe his 2015 run of games was legit. He was predominantly playing half forward in a struggling side which isn't easy and he made us far better with his aggression and pace.

5-9 in 14 games with him. 2-6 without him that year. I think it was more than just 4 good games, injury and one stinker against the Saints aside I thought he was about as consistently good as you could hope for a first year player across half forward.

 

[beelzebub 23,200]

On 8/27/2018 at 4:20 PM, sue said:

I'm not sure if I'm in favour of marking the spot or not, but it would take no time for the ump when indicating the spot to also spray a dot. No need for a line.

Back in the day ?? , playing forward mainly,I needed every inch to get the distance...lol. It would very much depend on the umpire ( yes...just the one lol )  If they were on the ball to the oppo cribbing the mark...all good. Back then we only got 15m if they over ran. Only in latter years did I enjoy 50 m;)  Still if the field ump was a bit of a drongo we would always scrape the mark. More a case of letting everyone...esp the ump know where we could kick from...is no one running over the mark. Could be used to great advantage sometimes