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POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 16

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20 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

The ump said "I think its a goal but I just want to make sure tha ball didn't hit the post earlier"

There was no evidence that we saw where it shows the ball hitting the post but you could clearly see Tracc's arm holding the ball hit the post.

If I am standing with my back against the post and the ball hits me, its my understanding that this is called a point. Anyone know if this is correct and if this is the basis a point was called?

That just has to be wrong.  The ball has to hit the post or go completely over the line.  Tracc's arm grzed the post while he was holding the ball, but that is not the same as. the ball touching the post.

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    1 minute ago, P-man said:

    Baker hasn’t been playing forward as far as I know so you’d be asking him to play a role he isn’t prepared for.

    The stats say otherwise re Spargo.

    Need to judge Garlett on what he does, not on what you know he can do. He’s obviously capable of better, but under conditions that were trying for all the forwards, he played his role.

    Look, I really wish he could get back to the exciting form of the past,it would improve the side markedly, however I genuinely fear he's lost it.

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    1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    The game plan simply does not work as it is. It has failed repeatedly. Combine that with selection blunders and once again we are looking at the prospect of a lost season.

    Pity because this list is capable of more.This year we have been relatively free of injury unlike last not to mention that some of our players are starting to slow down. No guarantees that next year will be better.

    My thoughts on Darwin are well known but what can one say about a club that sold home games to Brisbane that even the other clubs complained about.

    Our players that are slowing down in Vince & Lewis are in our  bottom four players. You could add Jones, but he still has a few years left and isn’t top half a dozen.

    Who else?

    Most of our best players in key positions are 23 and under, aside from Max who as a very tall ruckman will probably play at least six more years and TMac who is only 25/26.

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    5 hours ago, ProDee said:

    My main takeaways were Frost and Stretch.

    Sometimes it's easy to focus on what a player doesn't do well and lose sight of what they can do well.  Frost's size, speed and strength were a welcome addition to a back-line that has struggled since Lever went down.  He'll still occasionally frustrate, but he's clearly the best second tall and he'll make life far easier for Oscar.  If he plays to his limitations he'll be pivotal to the remainder of our season.

    Billy is a neat player, but I didn't see any AFL quality attributes.  I did last night.  He worked hard, showed some zip, positioned himself well and made himself an option.  He can become an accomplished AFL player.  He's also testament to a player working on their craft at the next level down and showing how sustained form in the VFL can make you a better player.

    Happy to say I was wrong on both.

    Wonders will never cease Pro. 

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    2 hours ago, ProDee said:

    I've gone from recently being a fan of Brereton to now finding him unlistenable.  He was cringeworthy last night.

    The guy is just too eager to show off how smart he is.

    You mean how smart he THINKS he is!

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    2 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

    I admire ANB for getting the most out of himself, but his lack of football skills could cost us a flag.

    We are so far off that been a consideration it’s not funny, it’s 50-50 if we even play finals this year.  ANB is 22 and not even 50 game into his career for a player of his age and experience he is well ahead of the curve so far as development goes, Jones was also a horrible user of the ball ealier in his career and while it never became elite it got to the point of been passable. 

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    8 minutes ago, loges said:

    Look, I really wish he could get back to the exciting form of the past,it would improve the side markedly, however I genuinely fear he's lost it.

    The past? As in last season when he kicked 42 goals?

    Or is the past the 9 goals he kicked in the first five rounds before being dropped?

    I don’t share your fear ?

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    Do yourself a favour and take out the Brisbane game and check when he last had significant impact in any game including Casey, I think you'll find it's around round 17 last year. That's 1 good game in nearly 12 months, like I said hope he comes good but not holding my breath.

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    6 minutes ago, P-man said:

    The past? As in last season when he kicked 42 goals?

    Or is the past the 9 goals he kicked in the first five rounds before being dropped?

    I don’t share your fear ?

    I don't share the fear either mate, and I am hopeful that this stint at Casey will galvanise him to the point that he is constantly chasing, harrassing and pressuring the opposition as much as possible.  I feel like he is only a game or two away from really getting back to some good form and he can still be a real X-factor type player for us over this final part of the season.

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    Just now, loges said:

    Do yourself a favour and take out the Brisbane game and check when he last had significant impact in any game including Casey, I think you'll find it's around round 17 last year. That's 1 good game in nearly 12 months, like I said hope he comes good but not holding my breath.

    3 goals against the Kangaroos isn’t a significant impact? How stupidly high is the bar you’re setting?

    Again. Judge him on what he does, not what you know he’s capable of. He played his role last night. You can’t dispute that.

    We’re not going to agree so let’s leave it there.

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    1 minute ago, P-man said:

    3 goals against the Kangaroos isn’t a significant impact? How stupidly high is the bar you’re setting?

    Again. Judge him on what he does, not what you know he’s capable of. He played his role last night. You can’t dispute that.

    We’re not going to agree so let’s leave it there.

    Time will tell. Hope he proves me wrong.

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    While it's hard to gauge against a side like Freo, I think the midfield have been able to work out the clearance issues we were having a few weeks ago.  Last night we won the clearances 42-28, but this time it felt as though we weren't getting in each others way as much.  It felt as though we spread much better, giving us an outlet handpass that we could then use to run out of the stoppage.  It did help that Gawn was able to dominate Darcy and Apeness, but it seems as though we're working far better in there than previous weeks.

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    14 minutes ago, sue said:

    That just has to be wrong.  The ball has to hit the post or go completely over the line.  Tracc's arm grzed the post while he was holding the ball, but that is not the same as. the ball touching the post.

    I know for sure that when a goal ump is standing in front of the post and the ball hits him/her then it is deemed a point. I am not sure what the same ruling is for a player though. Having said that I think it was reasonably clear that the ball didn't touch the post so the only option is that Tracc's arm (that was holding the ball) hit the post - he seemed to push off with that arm.

    As usual the AFL Rules of the Game don't mention this at all. Like so many things they make it up as they go...

     

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    17 hours ago, Redleg said:

    A few of us said 3 weeks ago he should be in, together with Billy and some more pacey crumbers in Spargo or Garlett.

    IMO we win the Port and Saints games with this side.

    The Coaches must take responsibility for poorly selected sides, that have cost us a couple of games.

    A FEW OF US??

    TRY A LOT OF US!!

    FROST, JEFFY, STRETCH give us pace and an edginess missing for weeks on end!

    Absolutely believe Coaches and match committee have lost us some games with poor selections

    Frost now stays in for the rest of the year, Ditto Jeffy and Stretch gets a block of games to prove his worth, Still not sold on Spargo and reckon Vince still has some value, but competition for places hots up with Casey winning at Artic park yesterday as well.

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    16 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

    I know for sure that when a goal ump is standing in front of the post and the ball hits him/her then it is deemed a point. I am not sure what the same ruling is for a player though. Having said that I think it was reasonably clear that the ball didn't touch the post so the only option is that Tracc's arm (that was holding the ball) hit the post - he seemed to push off with that arm.

    As usual the AFL Rules of the Game don't mention this at all. Like so many things they make it up as they go...

     

    I agree about the AFL Rules, but surely you have seen many goals kicked when the player was in contact with the post.   So if your guess at the rules is correct then that would have been called a behind before he kicked it.

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    1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

    f I am standing with my back against the post and the ball hits me, its my understanding that this is called a point. Anyone know if this is correct and if this is the basis a point was called?

    i doubt that

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    16 hours ago, The Swimming Dee said:

    Did anyone else notice Joel Smith playing full forward for a lot of the second half?

    How did that happen?

    Injured early.

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    1 hour ago, D4Life said:

    Our players that are slowing down in Vince & Lewis are in our  bottom four players. You could add Jones, but he still has a few years left and isn’t top half a dozen.

    Who else?

    Most of our best players in key positions are 23 and under, aside from Max who as a very tall ruckman will probably play at least six more years and TMac who is only 25/26.

    according to demonland jones sits 5th in the voting

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    1 hour ago, D4Life said:

    Our players that are slowing down in Vince & Lewis are in our  bottom four players. You could add Jones, but he still has a few years left and isn’t top half a dozen.

    Who else?

    Most of our best players in key positions are 23 and under, aside from Max who as a very tall ruckman will probably play at least six more years and TMac who is only 25/26.

    Vince and Lewis ...bottom 4 ...now I will laugh

    As you say Jones.. add in Jetta possibly

    Cannot see any replacements coming through for any of them.

    As an aside have you looked at our VFL ruck stocks if Max were to do a hamstring ?

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    19 minutes ago, picket fence said:

    A FEW OF US??

    TRY A LOT OF US!!

    FROST, JEFFY, STRETCH give us pace and an edginess missing for weeks on end!

    Absolutely believe Coaches and match committee have lost us some games with poor selections

    Frost now stays in for the rest of the year, Ditto Jeffy and Stretch gets a block of games to prove his worth, Still not sold on Spargo and reckon Vince still has some value, but competition for places hots up with Casey winning at Artic park yesterday as well.

    I’m in the camp of there must have been good reasons why frost stretch and Garlett were playing at Casey and defended the decision, however watching them play yesterday especially frost and stretch I agree that it was a couple of games late and we may have been sitting on a couple of extra wins had that been the case.

    RE: Spargo, I’m definitely convinced. He is a first year player so I don’t have high expectations in terms of consistency etc but he has without doubt shown he has the goods to be a valuable contributor to the team for years to come.

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    3 hours ago, sue said:

    That goal review when CP was close to the post and then JG kicked it off the ground through the goals.  The ump called it a goal but wanted a review to see if the ball had hit the post earlier.  I cannot for the life of me see how the video review showed that it contacted the post and certainly not enough to overrule the original call. 

    I don't understand why the umpire should be able to call a video review in that situation at all. No score was called, play went on then in a different piece of play Garlett kicked a goal. How far back are they allowed to go with the video review? If no score is called at the time of the incident then it is "play on" and the umpire should not be allowed to revisit it after the fact. What if play had continued for 30 seconds in the goal square between Petracca running into the post and the eventual goal? Still subject to review?

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    18 hours ago, Nasher said:

    If that had been the outcome in a torrential downpour at the ‘G, we would be stoked. I’m content. 

    I have a slightly sick feeling in my stomach still though that I don’t think is going to subside until we get a few more solid wins on the board. Have I caught MFCSS?

    Take 2 Bailey Fritch highlight reels and have a lie down

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    1 hour ago, sue said:

    I agree about the AFL Rules, but surely you have seen many goals kicked when the player was in contact with the post.   So if your guess at the rules is correct then that would have been called a behind before he kicked it.

    Yeah the more I think about it I think you are right. 

    So with no clear evidence the ball hit the post how in the hell have they called it a point?

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