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Viney MUST be sole captain 2019

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This was first posted quite a while ago, pre Viney re hurting his foot.

couldnt see goody dumping both captains. 

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    Jonesy has been a warrior but sadly he is not getting it done when it matters.  He was running up and down the ground with no impact.  He rarely kicks with skill and gets caught too often holding the pill.  Slow as treacle, sad but reality! I’m also convinced now he is not the right leader we need in big games.

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    Firstly, I just love what Jonesey has given to the club, through thick and thin, mainly thin.

    But he is nearing the end, unless he puls off a remarkable turnaround in the next 2, (or hopefully 3,4,5,6) games

    but

    Jack Viney needs to concentrate completely on getting on the park, getting the ball and delivering it with elan to either a teammate, or preferably the goal umpire, so I don't really think he can be sole captain 2019.

    A huge dilemma, of the club's own creation.

    Max would be my choice as captain, but "dropping" Jack would be an about face that I doubt the club would be prepared to make.

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    Why on earth would you give the sole captain job to a guy who is struggling to play more than half a season?

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    On Jones:
    A) He had some really poor moments today but he also never stopped running in the last quarter and kept getting the ball. He nailed a goal and had some other good possessions in with the bad. The worst players in a close game like today and the ones who didn't even want the ball or want the contest when it got close.

    B) He's yet to start the next stage of his career as a flanker. Forward or back I think that's next. He's a good runner and whilst his decision making can go astray he is a good kick. Playing forward gets you more accustomed to making the kicks inside 50. Playing back gets you used to the exit kicks. He can do all of that. Don't write him off until he's had the chance to re invent himself. 

    On Viney:
    A) Seriously questions have been asked about his role in the management of his foot/toe

    B) He's now missed a fair chunk of footy this year and last.

    All up I'd go with Jones and Viney for one more year. Jones will still be best 22 - I'm guessing on a forward flank. Viney will then have less pressured to get back for good this time and can take over in 2020 if things go to plan.

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    53 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

    On Jones:
    A) He had some really poor moments today but he also never stopped running in the last quarter and kept getting the ball. He nailed a goal and had some other good possessions in with the bad. The worst players in a close game like today and the ones who didn't even want the ball or want the contest when it got close.

    B) He's yet to start the next stage of his career as a flanker. Forward or back I think that's next. He's a good runner and whilst his decision making can go astray he is a good kick. Playing forward gets you more accustomed to making the kicks inside 50. Playing back gets you used to the exit kicks. He can do all of that. Don't write him off until he's had the chance to re invent himself. 

    On Viney:
    A) Seriously questions have been asked about his role in the management of his foot/toe

    B) He's now missed a fair chunk of footy this year and last.

    All up I'd go with Jones and Viney for one more year. Jones will still be best 22 - I'm guessing on a forward flank. Viney will then have less pressured to get back for good this time and can take over in 2020 if things go to plan.

    On Jones: I disagreed he is, or has ever been, a good kick. This got papered over when he was our only midfielder for 3 years, because everything he did was great in comparison plus he was at the top of his game. But now that he is losing a touch of pace it's getting exposed again as he has less time tti get rid of it. 

    I also think although he is hard at it and goes all day,  he is to slow to be a successful flanker in our current game plan. 

    If anything, I'd rather see him forward and rotate through the mid, because he isn't the worst set shot for goal and he isn't a good enough kick to replace Salem or Hbberd in the backline. 

     

    On Viney, I'm not convinced he is ready to lead by himself and I thunk he needs to get himself right before worrying about leadership. Hopefully someone else can step in and help. 

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    2 minutes ago, deanox said:

    On Jones: I disagreed he is, or has ever been, a good kick. This got papered over when he was our only midfielder for 3 years, because everything he did was great in comparison plus he was at the top of his game. But now that he is losing a touch of pace it's getting exposed again as he has less time tti get rid of it. 

    I also think although he is hard at it and goes all day,  he is to slow to be a successful flanker in our current game plan. 

    If anything, I'd rather see him forward and rotate through the mid, because he isn't the worst set shot for goal and he isn't a good enough kick to replace Salem or Hbberd in the backline. 

     

    On Viney, I'm not convinced he is ready to lead by himself and I thunk he needs to get himself right before worrying about leadership. Hopefully someone else can step in and help. 

    Jones either takes Lewis' spot at half back or ANB's spot as the high half forward. Think he could do either next year. Or both even depending on form/injuries to others. 

    Jones nailed a crunch goal today and had a nice popped pass for a shot on goal. Feel free to disagree but I'd still back Jones over nearly any other player on the list to hit a target when the decision making is easy or done for him. He certainly lacks vision, most likely not helped by years of being the man in a bad side, but when the target is there he kicks with lovely penetration. I'd back him to make the easy kicks from half back or to adjust to half forward.

    I don't see elevating Tom McDonald or Gawn as a successful idea, nor do I think Lever, Oliver or Gus are ready. 

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    11 hours ago, old dee said:

    Why on earth would you give the sole captain job to a guy who is struggling to play more than half a season?

    I did start this prior to Vineys foot injury.

    and as I’ve stated we won’t drop both.

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    The MFC doesn't have what it takes to make Gawn sole captain.

     

    Will continue to support someone who a fair few people can see should not be captain, and someone who can't get on the ground and allegedly has questionable judgement re: treatment of injury.

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    On 7/1/2018 at 4:53 PM, Gorgoroth said:

    Another week another game where others stand up amd try and lift the team. Jones has been good for us when we had no better.

    Now he has gone back to worrying about 1 meter handball receives than blocking for the player already in possession of it.

    Time for Viney is now.

    Jones should step down at the end of the season but I don’t think Viney should be stand alone captain. He doesn’t get on the park enough.

    Who else should be co captain?

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    with When Jones goes it should be and  (Viney struggling to play again)

    LEVER

    GAWN

    MC DONALD 

    With Choo Choo in leadership mix!

    Just putting it out there!

     

    Edited by picket fence

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    4 hours ago, picket fence said:

    with When Jones goes it should be and  (Viney struggling to play again)

    LEVER

    GAWN

    MC DONALD 

    With Choo Choo in leadership mix!

    Just putting it out there!

     

    I'd consider throwing Brayshaw in there as well.

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    6 hours ago, KingDingAling said:

    I would leave it as is for 2019. Then I would replace Jones with Brayshaw and have Viney and Brayshaw as co-captains from 2020 onwards. 

    My personal opinion looking at on/off field demeanour is to favour Lever in a leadership role. That's observation from afar though.

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    7 hours ago, Pates said:

    I'd consider throwing Brayshaw in there as well.

    I’d let him continue doing what he’s doing without the extra pressure of being a captain.

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    Personally I feel TMac is the outstanding leader. No nonsense ,can lift, speaks well. Let Viney get right without pressure. (Plus he may have to learn a new playing role to prolong/maintain his career.)

    Nothing against Max, but : You do not make a fast bowler captain and Max is too busy coming a media star.

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    Except he cant get on the park

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    7 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

    I’d let him continue doing what he’s doing without the extra pressure of being a captain.

    Oh definitely not captain, co captain, or vice. But I’d have him in the leadership group next year. 

    Edited by Pates

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    If Viney was sole skipper we would get the same as Jones but younger TMac for mine with Gawn as Vice and for the sole purpose other than learning Brayshaw and Oliver as D/Vice.

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    2 hours ago, demon3165 said:

    If Viney was sole skipper we would get the same as Jones but younger TMac for mine with Gawn as Vice and for the sole purpose other than learning Brayshaw and Oliver as D/Vice.

    T Mac  Captain

    Gawn Vice 

     

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    On 8/12/2018 at 10:45 PM, deanox said:

    On Jones: I disagreed he is, or has ever been, a good kick. This got papered over when he was our only midfielder for 3 years, because everything he did was great in comparison plus he was at the top of his game. But now that he is losing a touch of pace it's getting exposed again as he has less time tti get rid of it. 

    I also think although he is hard at it and goes all day,  he is to slow to be a successful flanker in our current game plan. 

    If anything, I'd rather see him forward and rotate through the mid, because he isn't the worst set shot for goal and he isn't a good enough kick to replace Salem or Hbberd in the backline. 

     

    On Viney, I'm not convinced he is ready to lead by himself and I thunk he needs to get himself right before worrying about leadership. Hopefully someone else can step in and help. 

    Agree with all of the above deanox. Jones would be scary slow in the modern game for any flank and especially for applying defensive pressure. 

    Lever/Viney is my 2019 choice for leadership team as co-captains. Gawn, Oliver, Brayshaw, etc will always play that ' follow me'  approach anyway.

     

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    Agree with all of the above deanox. Jones would be scary slow in the modern game for any flank and especially for applying defensive pressure. 

    Lever/Viney is my 2019 choice for leadership team as co-captains. Gawn, Oliver, Brayshaw, etc will always play that ' follow me'  approach anyway.

     

    Sorry - that was meant to be Lever/TMac.

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    On 7/1/2018 at 4:53 PM, Gorgoroth said:

    Another week another game where others stand up amd try and lift the team. Jones has been good for us when we had no better.

    Now he has gone back to worrying about 1 meter handball receives than blocking for the player already in possession of it.

    Time for Viney is now.

    How about a referendum ?  or a plebiscite,  for the numbers your honor?

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    On 8/13/2018 at 8:51 PM, picket fence said:

    with When Jones goes it should be and  (Viney struggling to play again)

    LEVER

    GAWN

    MC DONALD 

    With Choo Choo in leadership mix!

    Just putting it out there!

     

    I have to agree with this trio as the new leaders. I see another post that thinks the same

    Jones will be like Swallow at the Kangas who lost the captaincy and was gone within a year. The game catches up with some players really quickly. Viney must have serious doubt on his ability to even play let alone captain. Look back since he started and note he has always had foot problems, this is not something that is a new development. Goodwin made a captains call on appointing Viney without consulting Jones anyway but for the above reasons must consider the future

    After listening to Tom and Max interviewed today on various media I have come to the conclusion that they are the new leaders. Either as co captains or Tom captain and Max his deputy. They are in the right age bracket, play in positions that allow leaders to direct and influence play and can impact a game.

    Lever deserves consideration but my concern is given the recent spate of ACL recurrences I worry about his continuity. There is no doubting his leadership however. In a recent discussion with a field umpire friend I was told that he noticed that Lever was the on field general who directs the whole backline and was very vocal. He is being missed for his ability as well as organising and directing the backline.

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    I have noticed both Gawn and TMac have been in the media a bit following last weeks loss.

    Seen nothing from Jones...

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