Hate to say it but Brereton is right.

Agree 100%

Yep. He's lost at the moment.

Hogan is out of form and his confidence is low. Thanks for letting us know Dermot 'Captain Obvious' Brereton.

After a cracking first 9 or so rounds, the guy has had a few low weeks. I'm sure it's not lost on the FD, they'll be working on it.

Lol to the posters on other threads suggesting we should drop or even trade him!

Pretty good analysis and suggestions to get himself more involved.

Get Dermott down to the club NOW to forward coach Hogan. 

Pay him a good wage, he knows exactly what Hogan should be doing, as he was the same player 30 years ago

GET Dermott MFC

4-6 goals a game we should be getting with our i50 count

68 last week and Hogan was unsighted!!!!

MADNESS..

  On 26/06/2018 at 03:41, Moonshadow said:

Hogan is out of form and his confidence is low. Thanks for letting us know Dermot 'Captain Obvious' Brereton.

After a cracking first 9 or so rounds, the guy has had a few low weeks. I'm sure it's not lost on the FD, they'll be working on it.

Lol to the posters on other threads suggesting we should drop or even trade him!

Spot on, Moonie.  It's nothing more than this.

Jonathon Brown said he playing like a 'Fish' but should be the 'Shark'.  https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/why-demons-need-star-forward-jesse-hogan-to-return-to-being-a-great-white-shark/news-story/1117606af1d368416a21f9cc0decbaac

Brown suggests, his role as a mid/forward has him chasing possessions and scouting packs(fish) rather than going for pack marks or crashing packs and bring the ball to ground (shark).  It certainly seems that way of late.

For mine, Jesse is another example of the 'flexible players' game plan getting to the point where we have a forward group comprised of uniform players without clearly identified roles.  This is the antithesis of cohesion and predictability in the forward half. 

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Hes had a couple of quiet games...  three games ago he had 19 possessions, 10 marks and kicked 5 goals.   The game before that he had 20-11-5.

Give me a break.

 

 

  On 26/06/2018 at 03:51, Petraccattack said:

Hes had a couple of quiet games...  three games ago he had 19 possessions, 10 marks and kicked 5 goals.   The game before that he had 20-11-5.

Give me a break.

this

concern is that like so many of our players he has been 'down' in big games

  On 26/06/2018 at 03:59, whatwhatsaywhat said:

this

concern is that like so many of our players he has been 'down' in big games

Dermott got better in big games....

  On 26/06/2018 at 03:50, Lucifer's Hero said:

Jonathon Brown said he playing like a 'Fish' but should be the 'Shark'.  https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/why-demons-need-star-forward-jesse-hogan-to-return-to-being-a-great-white-shark/news-story/1117606af1d368416a21f9cc0decbaac

Brown suggests, his role as a mid/forward has him chasing possessions and scouting packs(fish) rather than going for pack marks or crashing packs and bring the ball to ground (shark).  It certainly seems that way of late.

For mine, Jesse is another example of the 'flexible players' game plan getting to the point where we have a forward comprised of uniform players without clearly identified roles.  This is the antithesis of cohesion and predictability in the forward half. 

 

 

 

Hogan ATM

 

 

vs

 

 

Hogan (what he should be)

He can’t take big pack marks. So why is anyone suprised when we constantly bomb the footy in he’s not influencing the game. If he’s playing deep kick it accordingly, play to his strengths. Having said that it doesn’t mean he still can’t crash the occasional pack. 

It's not like the last few weeks define his career.

It's been atypical.  

He'll sort it out.

Hogan will be fine.  Last week no-one actually kicked him the bloody ball so that wasn't his fault.  Against Port he was poor.

He is an absolute gun and would be third in our BnF imo (behind Gawn and Oliver)

and he LOVES the sainters.  6.0 comin up.

Jesse's best role is as a moving tall target with licence to roam to positions where he can present and distribute.

For him to be a "front and square" crumber is a waste of a huge talent and punishes the team who lose his exquisite skills up the ground.

The only time he should be near the goal square is when he is running.

  On 26/06/2018 at 03:47, Sir Why You Little said:

Get Dermott down to the club NOW to forward coach Hogan. 

Pay him a good wage, he knows exactly what Hogan should be doing, as he was the same player 30 years ago

GET Dermott MFC

4-6 goals a game we should be getting with our i50 count

68 last week and Hogan was unsighted!!!!

MADNESS..

It will take a combined effort SW.  This is a great test for the club and player to adjust the sails from starboard (crumbing fish role as mentioned) to Port (KPF - shark).  If the FD weren't aware of it they certainly will now ?

Next 3 weeks is a great opportunity to fix.

  On 26/06/2018 at 03:50, Lucifer's Hero said:

Jonathon Brown said he playing like a 'Fish' but should be the 'Shark'.  https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/why-demons-need-star-forward-jesse-hogan-to-return-to-being-a-great-white-shark/news-story/1117606af1d368416a21f9cc0decbaac

Brown suggests, his role as a mid/forward has him chasing possessions and scouting packs(fish) rather than going for pack marks or crashing packs and bring the ball to ground (shark).  It certainly seems that way of late.

For mine, Jesse is another example of the 'flexible players' game plan getting to the point where we have a forward comprised of uniform players without clearly identified roles.  This is the antithesis of cohesion and predictability in the forward half. 

I think they missed the fact that our delivery was horrid at times.  But at other times it was in his area (as per fox video) and on a couple of occasions on the chest also which he missed.

My understanding is forwards gain confidence with much that they do by scoring goals.  Get him back to doing that and the rest should follow.

P.S. Minor point but might have helped his confidence a little if T-Mac handballed to him in the square on Friday night for the goal.  Bit risky though.

All fugazi 

Hogan at his best is everything, covering more kms faster than opponents, being stronger than them, crashing packs, marking and kicking goals.  He is not one ‘type’ he is his own beast.

he is still young, and his form will fluctuate.  He will be back in form and all of those who want him traded or dropped can rejizz on the oldjizz.  Because there was plenty’o’that when he was dominating.

Brereton is a stain, Jesse is an easy target. I would not let Brereton anywhere near him.

  On 26/06/2018 at 04:00, Sir Why You Little said:

Dermott got better in big games....

And that is EXACTLY what the difference is with our so called "stars"

Real stars of the game live for the big moments, whereas most of ours seem to overawed in every big game we play.

If only the entire side were as consistent as Oliver, regardless of opposition,  we would be world beaters.

  On 26/06/2018 at 03:47, Sir Why You Little said:

Get Dermott down to the club NOW to forward coach Hogan. 

Pay him a good wage, he knows exactly what Hogan should be doing, as he was the same player 30 years ago

GET Dermott MFC

4-6 goals a game we should be getting with our i50 count

68 last week and Hogan was unsighted!!!!

MADNESS..

68 to 39 inside 50's and lose is complete MADNESS.

  On 26/06/2018 at 03:47, Sir Why You Little said:

Get Dermott down to the club NOW to forward coach Hogan. 

Pay him a good wage, he knows exactly what Hogan should be doing, as he was the same player 30 years ago

GET Dermott MFC

4-6 goals a game we should be getting with our i50 count

68 last week and Hogan was unsighted!!!!

MADNESS..

I think Hogan would look good with blonde tints in his hair too ?

  On 26/06/2018 at 03:51, Petraccattack said:

Hes had a couple of quiet games...  three games ago he had 19 possessions, 10 marks and kicked 5 goals.   The game before that he had 20-11-5.

Give me a break.

Yeah, you're right, everything's fine and it is unreasonable of us to expect him to get a kick in big games against Collingwood and Port.  FFS.

It was interesting to hear Roos talk about us before the port game  last week.

He said one big area for concern was that our forward structure has not settled properly yet.

The bombing wouldn't have helped.

I think Dermott is commenting on the symptoms and Roos knows the cause.

Hope it gets sorted quickly. 

  On 26/06/2018 at 06:21, faultydet said:

And that is EXACTLY what the difference is with our so called "stars"

Real stars of the game live for the big moments, whereas most of ours seem to overawed in every big game we play.

If only the entire side were as consistent as Oliver, regardless of opposition,  we would be world beaters.

How many games did Richmond's "stars" have under their belt before they started to perform in the big moments ?