Just watched the reply.

Jesus christ he was horrible. I'm sorry but Goodwin needs to swallow his pride and drop him and actually be made to earn a game. Such a bad look when a suppose leader is making horrible mistakes and then turning it back on blokes like Oliver who had the ball to call him out on it.

Leadership my [censored].

17 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Jordan will play out the year and then i hope he becomes a coach. 

I'd really like to see Jordan coaching right now - not playing - and so doing at the quarter, half and threequarter-time breaks as well. His marshalling is everything whilst his playing is such an obstacle at this point. He has even lost his footskills to a noticeable extent. But, as an authority and wise footballing asset, he is also almost impeachable. 

13 hours ago, Supermercado said:

This is what I want to know. I don't want him in the side, but need to know who we'd fill his spot with or what we'd do with a non like-for-like player. Very willing to discuss alternatives. The idea of on-field leadership is great (if it's actually happening), but we're hardly original recipe GWS having to field Power, Cornes, Brogan and Junior to help the kids.

I think you’ll find that once Lever is back in the side, Lewis will be out. Lever reads the play as well as anyone, full of leadership will impact many contest as that extra defender.

In the 2018 preseason and 2019 season he was an on-field tutor to Lever in defence structures, tactics etc.  Had Lever not been injured there is every chance Lewis would be playing less games now. 

There is still some teaching to be done and Lewis is the only one that can do it.  He will stay in the team (unless they manage him for the long-distance games).

That Lewis is in the side for his leadership and ability to organise and marshall the troops is a real indictment on our on-field leaders.  Even when all our co-caps and vice caps played lack of on-field leadership was deplorable before Lewis came back.

Also, if folks criticise his disposal - look at Jones whose DE% was a mere 45%.  Jones' DE% has been poor this year and hurts just as much as Lewis'.  

Edited May 5, 20196 yr by Lucifer's Hero

We have no one to bring in to replace Lewis at this stage. Without runners we need someone to assist with setting up the backline an making moves as necessary. Lever or May will take over this role upon their return I imagine. 

18 hours ago, Dr.D said:

absolutely hopeless today. why is he even in the team. turns it over by foot and far too slow. Is also undisciplined so he really offers nothing for us.

Well . . . that pretty much describes half the list . . . including both captains.

14 hours ago, Supermercado said:

This is what I want to know. I don't want him in the side, but need to know who we'd fill his spot with or what we'd do with a non like-for-like player. Very willing to discuss alternatives. The idea of on-field leadership is great (if it's actually happening), but we're hardly original recipe GWS having to field Power, Cornes, Brogan and Junior to help the kids.

You can't build this into a solid joint... without the glue. 

He holds the structures together,  as this sides main physical structure is so raw.  Lever, May, Frost, Weide, TMc, &/or  Keillty/Preuss.   Plus our Mids are on rotation, with some aging.  

We need the glue and wisdom for this year...  to get this teams act together in the back half of 2019.

13 hours ago, Demonia said:

It seems a trifle, to rifle, a gun. Those who do are without patience. Let him weave his wisdom. He has contributed to many a win. The win today was yet another example. Let that stand. I stand with Jordan Lewis. So should you. 

Some here are still of the mind frame... that we are better atmo,  than where we are truly at.  We are  'infants',  Re finals, still building,  and forming.

We are still forming our Spine, let alone filling out flanks.

We still need to add pace and skill to this young forming side.

 

In a sense Lewis is our Pediatrician.  And Goody is our 'GP'.

Can Salem and Hibberd not read the play and react to it across half back? Their play over a number of years tells me they can. And just how dumb are Oscar, Frost and Wagner is they don’t know their set ups by now?

Same goes for the midfield, surely they can work out between them where the wings and mids go. Any of the 7 defenders should be able to yell out if they are leaving gaping holes at the corridor or goal side of contests. 

Lewis isn’t Hodge, Simpson or McVeigh, he’s a ball winning inside mid not a sweeping flanker. Matty Boyd did it for the Dogs in 15/16 but he was dropped and then retired quickly after that because the pace was too hot for him in 2017. I just don’t know how we are still plugging away with it in 2019.

I gather @Old Bear is not a fan?

His kick ins against the Tiges was elite

3 hours ago, McQueen said:

Goodwin more or less assured Lewis of continuous gifting of games in his press conference. 

“He’s earned them.” Something about being a champion of the game  

 

So has Ron Barassi but I haven't seen Goody running to re-sign him....and give him a game.

The end comes when it comes, last years Prelim was the final siren and should have put an end to a great career.

6 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Also, if folks criticise his disposal - look at Jones whose DE% was a mere 45%.  Jones' DE% has been poor this year and hurts just as much as Lewis'.  

I'm sorry, but you are blinded by stats if you believe that.  Is there a disposal efficiency under pressure stat?  If there is, Lewis rates with Cale Morton my friend.  Jones busts his [censored] at every opportunity.  Jones shows leadership by "saying" watch me boys...and exemplified it in quarter 2 against Sydney and in some parts yesterday.  Jones goes to hard places, and rarely has time and space.

 

Jordan's kicking errors, weren't helped by Omac waiting for the next train.  But bloody hell, oppositions don't rate Lewis and leave him go.  His kicking invariably is performed with time and space.

 

Jones getting dragged into the Lewis-veteran debate is a disgrace.  Jones is an asset; while Lewis has been a bone-fide liability.  He was past it years ago, but his body of work from PF 2018 to yesterday is putrid.  Furthermore, real leaders take feedback, which he clearly can't.  

 

Similar with Froscar.  Omac has really dragged Frost into the kryptonite spotlight.  Frost is an asset with pace, and the simpletons had no idea calling for his head.

 

On 5/5/2019 at 12:27 PM, Lucifer's Hero said:

In the 2018 preseason and 2019 season he was an on-field tutor to Lever in defence structures, tactics etc.  Had Lever not been injured there is every chance Lewis would be playing less games now. 

There is still some teaching to be done and Lewis is the only one that can do it.  He will stay in the team (unless they manage him for the long-distance games).

That Lewis is in the side for his leadership and ability to organise and marshall the troops is a real indictment on our on-field leaders.  Even when all our co-caps and vice caps played lack of on-field leadership was deplorable before Lewis came back.

Also, if folks criticise his disposal - look at Jones whose DE% was a mere 45%.  Jones' DE% has been poor this year and hurts just as much as Lewis'.  

Terrific analyses and observations of this sensitive area of our team structure. 

On 5/4/2019 at 10:37 PM, layzie said:

What is the alternative? 

Get a New Wig?? Yeah yeah new hair!!

On 5/5/2019 at 11:54 AM, dazzledavey36 said:

Just watched the reply.

Jesus christ he was horrible. I'm sorry but Goodwin needs to swallow his pride and drop him and actually be made to earn a game. Such a bad look when a suppose leader is making horrible mistakes and then turning it back on blokes like Oliver who had the ball to call him out on it.

Leadership my [censored].

Yes and for Clarry to call it and Lewis to feel ah Miffed and perhaps not take it onboard is .... Well a bloke who has done it all , maybe deep down knows he is cooked but really can"t let go.

Hnmm Tough gig!

Edited May 6, 20196 yr by picket fence

On 5/5/2019 at 11:54 AM, dazzledavey36 said:

Just watched the reply.

Jesus christ he was horrible. I'm sorry but Goodwin needs to swallow his pride and drop him and actually be made to earn a game. Such a bad look when a suppose leader is making horrible mistakes and then turning it back on blokes like Oliver who had the ball to call him out on it.

Leadership my [censored].

Agree he was terrible.

I just re watched the last play of the game, where Frost spoiled a Wingard mark 20 out, then tapped the ball on and then threw himself onto the ball, scooped it up and hand balled it to Lewis, who promptly fumbled it and dropped it and if not for Perracca grabbing it could have lost us the game. This on top of his multiple turnovers throughout the game. Lewis was diabolical and if his name was Bill Smith he would not get another game with us.

He was a great player but not anymore.

9 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Agree he was terrible.

I just re watched the last play of the game, where Frost spoiled a Wingard mark 20 out, then tapped the ball on and then threw himself onto the ball, scooped it up and hand balled it to Lewis, who promptly fumbled it and dropped it and if not for Perracca grabbing it could have lost us the game. This on top of his multiple turnovers throughout the game. Lewis was diabolical and if his name was Bill Smith he would not get another game with us.

He was a great player but not anymore.

Then had the nerve to fire back at Olive after he called him out on his weak effort on just letting the ball over the line.

I bagged ANB for his fumbles but this bloke is borderline horrendous with his inability to keep his feet and fumbling at crucial stages of the game.

He's terrible ....

26 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Then had the nerve to fire back at Olive after he called him out on his weak effort on just letting the ball over the line.

I bagged ANB for his fumbles but this bloke is borderline horrendous with his inability to keep his feet and fumbling at crucial stages of the game.

Letting the ball go over the line is being kind. That was right below me. He had time and more than enough space to collect the ball and take on the tackler.

If he had done so and beaten the tackler he had the option of a handball to Oliver or a kick down the line. A throw in gave us nothing.

But he didn't want to get tackled. And Oliver called him on it.

Late in last weeks game against the tigers he pulled up from a contest. He seems to be picking his contests, which leaders don't do.

It’s difficult to drop him at this stage only because our defence appears more organised with him back, but boy he is looking slow and unskilled. Those dinky kicks that used to be his bread and butter that would get us out of trouble are now becoming a liability. 

I think he’s got one last chance with no one able to directly come in for him at this stage. 

4 hours ago, binman said:

 

Late in last weeks game against the tigers he pulled up from a contest. He seems to be picking his contests, which leaders don't do.

Also had a glaring moment early in the last years final against Geelong.
Having said that he got knocked into the next week a few years ago while going back with the flight.
Massive hit that may still play on his mind.
 

 

I’ve been a Lewis supporter but if he continues to cause turnovers and miss targets we cannot afford to have him in the team even with his leadership

On Sunday, May 05, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Deemania since 56 said:

I'd really like to see Jordan coaching right now - not playing - and so doing at the quarter, half and threequarter-time breaks as well. His marshalling is everything whilst his playing is such an obstacle at this point. He has even lost his footskills to a noticeable extent. But, as an authority and wise footballing asset, he is also almost impeachable. 

 

8 hours ago, Redleg said:

Agree he was terrible.

I just re watched the last play of the game, where Frost spoiled a Wingard mark 20 out, then tapped the ball on and then threw himself onto the ball, scooped it up and hand balled it to Lewis, who promptly fumbled it and dropped it and if not for Perracca grabbing it could have lost us the game. This on top of his multiple turnovers throughout the game. Lewis was diabolical and if his name was Bill Smith he would not get another game with us.

He was a great player but not anymore.

Hawthorn moved him on so y is he still being gifted games. He said himself that this year he's prepared 2 play @ Casey so if the selection committee had any balls that's where he should be next week. I saw him also choose not commit when the ball was virtually at his feet - very disappointed with him at least Jones has a go.

On Yobbo 360, he admitted that he hasn't been great with ball in hand, but been pretty good when he hasn't got the ball.

 

WTF?

 

Also said Goody is sticking fat with him; which makes Goody the guy who looked like Col Sanders on the Titanic.

I'm paraphrasing, but he said on 360 last night that he's not that concerned about his substandard form and that there were more important things in life like his family. That's great, but I'm sure if I wasn't performing at work, my employer's stakeholders wouldn't be pleased to hear that. He is a man who has already checked out of footy.

Edited May 8, 20196 yr by Balls