14 hours ago, Elegt said:

Lewis and Jones were on the wings tonight . The disrespect Goodwin is showing to the wing position is astounding 

this. I was laughing myself watching this. As were a few dozen people around me.

14 hours ago, dimmy said:

He has been a sensational [player. Make him our Defensive coach !!!

Good idea.

He has the knowledge of 280 games with Clarko to use.

14 hours ago, Elegt said:

Lewis and Jones were on the wings tonight . The disrespect Goodwin is showing to the wing position is astounding 

Couldn’t agree more.

When May and Lever are back put Frost on a wing. Tall, can run and kick long into the forward 50.

1 minute ago, jnrmac said:

this. I was laughing myself watching this. As were a few dozen people around me.

When I saw Lewis and Jones line up on the wings for the first bounce I almost spewed.  Two slowest players in the true ‘outside mid’ positions.  Do not offer enough defensive capability from there, and certainly offer little offensively.  The barrel must be almost at empty if this is where we are at.

i hoped his leadership would add some value, but hard to lead when you can’t lead by example....

22 minutes ago, TRIGON said:

☝️And some posters keep insisting that Goodwin is a smart guy and will work it out. Yet week after week Goodwin and the Match Committee ‘brains trust’ - a double oxymoron - lose the game for us before it’s even started.

That is what is so worrying.

Having 2 slow, over 30's on the wings in a 6-6-6 scenario is suicide.

Saints had 6 players under 20 games and guess what, they are well drilled, know what to do and where to go and have pace and skill.

 

Lewis has one thing going for him, his leadership. I thought we would bring him back  to help organize the backline, which is made up of mostly young inexperienced players and out of form players. 

Instead we bring him to play on the wing. He who can barely run, can no longer kick, refuses to tackle or run defensively. 

He is underdone and they played him on the wing. I have no words for the stupidity. 

He needs to retire but until that time he needs to play in a position where he can influence without hurting us with his lack of pace. The wing is NOT his position. 

He's not going to add anything to the side playing on a wing. It's the backline, and with a rocket up him to put his body on the line, or it's VFL.

14 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

If I were Simon Goodwin/Josh Mahoney/Gary Pert or Glenn Bartlett it would be clean out your locker on Monday, thanks for the 2 years and good luck in the media.

Bruise free, treacle slow, mentally soft and physically weak players don't get to go around talking up their leadership and importance, not if I had anything to say about it.

Does he actually do this?

2 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Lewis has one thing going for him, his leadership. I thought we would bring him back  to help organize the backline, which is made up of mostly young inexperienced players and out of form players. 

Instead we bring him to play on the wing. He who can barely run, can no longer kick, refuses to tackle or run defensively. 

He is underdone and they played him on the wing. I have no words for the stupidity. 

He needs to retire but until that time he needs to play in a position where he can influence without hurting us with his lack of pace. The wing is NOT his position. 

Suggest you ring the club, because they haven't worked it out.

It is actually funny that you pay these guys a sh-tload of money for their expertise and they can't see what the rest of the footy world does.

What do we do with him?

Saw him warming up with the midfield group pre game and thought maybe he will play in the middle in spurts. Then I saw him head to the wing and instantly thought he might line up closer to the defensive 50 so he can be the spare in defence after the bounce which is probably his most suitable role but no, he stayed on the wing and was on Newnes early from memory. As mind blowing as seeing Hibbo go to Membrey at the opening bounce. 

Lewis came to the Club a greatly respected player. I, now sense he is losing that respect and the players are not listening to him as they should because his performances have slid. A smart Club would have altered his final year contract from player to assistant coach. It really was a no brainer.

9 minutes ago, Sorry kids said:

Lewis came to the Club a greatly respected player. I, now sense he is losing that respect and the players are not listening to him as they should because his performances have slid. A smart Club would have altered his final year contract from player to assistant coach. It really was a no brainer.

Yep, saw a player in the last Q totally disregard a lead out the back from him.

Looked at him and said to himself no cheap kick for you sunshine.

Went back and had his kick to position...

Edited April 21, 20196 yr by rjay

Look, it is really sad how we have handled Lewis, he is or was a great get for the Club with the experience and knowledge he brought. And it is also sad that another ex Hawk, legend this time, Brereton  just casually turned up at St Kilda to coach their forwards. How did we miss that opportunity. 

1 hour ago, TRIGON said:

☝️And some posters keep insisting that Goodwin is a smart guy and will work it out. Yet week after week Goodwin and the Match Committee ‘brains trust’ - a double oxymoron - lose the game for us before it’s even started.

I think newly appointed coaches grow and learn on the job.  Bux, Hardwick, Richo??? 

But the decision to put 1.5 old slow players on the wing of a big ground, when our speed has been questioned (smart posters questioned this 3 years ago), was absolutely mind-boggling.

He is picking and placing on reputation rather than current capacity.

 

Then when the penny dropped he hides Lewis on the bench for the first 8-9 minutes of at least 2 quarters.  But he puts Fritch on the wing.  Treacle gets replaced by grace.  Goodwin wants slow perfection into our I50.  When a team ain’t perfect (at least 6 short easy 20 metre passes missed their target) GIVE ME bloody CHAOS.

The wings need blitzkreig chaos. Hibbo and Frost should have been tried when we needed the Hail Mary at 3/4 time.

 

Pathetic coaching by Goodwin.  He will learn, but the signs have been there.  Not reviewing the PF when it was a clear sign of what we band-aided, and what was to come?  Finals wins against Geelong and Hawthorn were against relatively slow back-half to front-half teams.  Saints beat us last year, who were THE fastest back-half to front-half team in the comp in 2018.

Maths doesn’t lie.

 

I said when we recruited Lewis, “he will make a slow team slower”.  He has, unquestionably.

 

I can’t think of a worse recruiting decision by a club in my memory.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 21, 20196 yr by TGR

16 hours ago, Elegt said:

Lewis and Jones were on the wings tonight . The disrespect Goodwin is showing to the wing position is astounding 

It is laughable!  Just as laughable as when Goodwin played with no wingmen vs Hawks last year. 

And he had Jones play as a tagger on Mitchell in that Hawks game, just as he had him tag Billings in the first half yesterday.  Jones is not a tagger, is not a wingman and is not a leader.

Let's get to the bye then play the kids.  Can't be any worse than playing retirees-to-be and VFL level players.

Edited April 21, 20196 yr by Lucifer's Hero

16 hours ago, Elegt said:

Lewis and Jones were on the wings tonight . The disrespect Goodwin is showing to the wing position is astounding 

And on the MCG of all grounds!

No wonder we can only play well on smaller ovals.   

Goodwin has lost me. Some very STRANGE coaching moves. Allowed Saints pace to take control. 

Said it on another topic but worth repeating 

Cane Cornes summed up Jordon Lewis perfectly on 9s Sunday Footy Show

13 minutes ago, Old Bear said:

Said it on another topic but worth repeating 

Cane Cornes summed up Jordon Lewis perfectly on 9s Sunday Footy Show

Summary?

Basically he’s playing for his Superannuation 

And he’s been more of a negative than positive in his time at Melbourne 

That he’s doing his legacy damage by not retiring

6 hours ago, Supermercado said:

The season is dead, give him a token assistant coach position until the end of the year and work on the future.

Our season is dead now...  not because of the ladder [position,  but because our gamestyle is cooked.  And what we lack to suit  '666'.

Put more kids into the team now...  and keep Lewis in,  to guide them.  No point becoming the new  "9thMond".

 

Make Lewis a decent offer to be an assistant from this mid season...  and stay playing til end of season.  Next season a VFL playing assistant coach to guide new kids coming in.

Keep Brendan McCartney as Player Coach-Performance Manager,  to oversee and to modify our development programs.

 

Pull the other slower legs out of the team now.  And look to trade out at seasons end.   Hit the draft up,  for skilled running Kids with Attitude.

Keep our better leaders in,  to set the tone for the new Kids.

Classic in-between'rs can go.

..................................................

Possible trade outs: 

Hibbo 29+Yrs already,  He may want to go home ?

Garlett

Frost

Hunt

etc.

 

Edited April 21, 20196 yr by DV8

30 minutes ago, DV8 said:

Our season is dead now...  not because of the ladder [position,  but because our gamestyle is cooked.  And what we lack to suit  '666'.

Put more kids into the team now...  and keep Lewis in,  to guide them.  No point becoming the new  "9thMond".

 

Make Lewis a decent offer to be an assistant from this mid season...  and stay playing til end of season.  Next season a VFL playing assistant coach to guide new kids coming in.

Keep Brendan McCartney as Player Coach-Performance Manager,  to oversee and to modify our development programs.

 

Pull the other slower legs out of the team now.  And look to trade out at seasons end.   Hit the draft up,  for skilled running Kids with Attitude.

Keep our better leaders in,  to set the tone for the new Kids.

Classic in-between'rs can go.

..................................................

Possible trade outs: 

Hibbo 29+Yrs already,  He may want to go home ?

Garlett

Frost

Hunt

etc.

 

SO you want leg speed but your potential trades include 3 guys with genuine leg speed. I’m confused. 

55 minutes ago, DV8 said:

Our season is dead now...  not because of the ladder [position,  but because our gamestyle is cooked.  And what we lack to suit  '666'.

Put more kids into the team now...  and keep Lewis in,  to guide them.  No point becoming the new  "9thMond".

 

Make Lewis a decent offer to be an assistant from this mid season...  and stay playing til end of season.  Next season a VFL playing assistant coach to guide new kids coming in.

He can guide them in giving away petulant free kicks behind play.

Not just Jones and Lewis on the wing yesterday, but we had Tyson out there most of last year. It’s one of the main reasons I am struggling with Goodwin. It’s so obvious it’s an issue but we have seen no attempt to fix it.

So let us see for wednesday night. Can the selectors drop him ?????? I don't think so.?

58 minutes ago, dl4e said:

So let us see for wednesday night. Can the selectors drop him ?????? I don't think so.?

Not CAN will they?? I guess you already know the answer to the soft touch user friendly selections to date!??