What do you think of the incident?

There were actually 2 actions from Carlisle, first the chest bump then a jab to the chest/throat/neck (hard to determine from camera angle) which he got the free for. Not sure if this was picked up because on first viewing it looked like a delayed dive from the chest bump but there was clearly a second action from Carlisle.

Were you in the same position as the umpire?  He had absolutely no hesitation in paying the free and saying he went for the throat. 

  On 06/05/2018 at 21:27, Demonland said:

What do you think of the incident?

Disappointed but there is also a cockiness within the team also that needs to be put to bed, Hogan also gobbed off at Carlisle before missing the easy shot on goal. A few weeks back v Hawks he rubbed David Mirra’s Head after a stuff up, was pretty much the turning point of the game. Also noticing a few cocky incidents during games, Lever last week. We have to remember where we came from and step down off our pedastal IMO.

It's not a "dive". Look this body jolt with the impact. He fell backwards. You can't fake that. Granted, he was more than happy to accept the free kick and let Carlisle know about it, but its not a dive.

I’ll reserve my judgement until I see the incident from the umpires point of view.

  On 06/05/2018 at 21:40, SFebey said:

Disappointed but there is also a cockiness within the team also that needs to be put to bed, Hogan also gobbed off at Carlisle before missing the easy shot on goal. A few weeks back v Hawks he rubbed David Mirra’s Head after a stuff up, was pretty much the turning point of the game. Also noticing a few cocky incidents during games, Lever last week. We have to remember where we came from and step down off our pedastal IMO.

I love it when we draw long bows on this site. 

Ump paid a free kick instantly, meaning he was hit high. He didn't fake it in a pack or just fall over. Carlisle jabbed him in the throat and he fell. Nothing more than that. 

  On 06/05/2018 at 21:52, Wiseblood said:

I love it when we draw long bows on this site. 

Ump paid a free kick instantly, meaning he was hit high. He didn't fake it in a pack or just fall over. Carlisle jabbed him in the throat and he fell. Nothing more than that. 

Well actually, I didn’t draw any bow, was more commenting on the cockiness of the side. About time you starting letting go of your ego and letting others have their say.

This is exactly the same as the Clarry thing a few years ago. You don’t know exactly what happened unless you were involved. It’s very possible the fall was unintentional as a result of the impact and shock of being punched in the throat.

I’m happy to criticise our players to a point  if they’ve clearly done something wrong (the Bugg incident last year for example), but if I’ll always give a Melbourne player benefit of the doubt if there’s room for it, and clearly there is in this case. I reckon starting a thread labelled “that dive” is very poor form and not in the spirit of supporting the club.

Nev Jetta was punched to the head. No free or no comment from the commentators.

the McCartin hit on nev was also late and could easily have been a 50. 

I must need my prescription checked. On closer look he does get hit in the throat. I initially thought the fall was a delayed reaction to the bump inorder to get a free. 

He got hit, he fell. Let’s get the phrenologists in to read the bumps on his head so as to ascertain what were his intentions.

  On 06/05/2018 at 21:57, Demonland said:

I must need my prescription checked. On closer look he does get hit in the throat. I initially thought the fall was a delayed reaction to the bump inorder to get a free. 

He actually staggers a bit a falls back. He goes down from surprise more than anything. 

  On 06/05/2018 at 21:55, jnrmac said:

Nev Jetta was punched to the head. No free or no comment from the commentators.

the McCartin hit on nev was also late and could easily have been a 50. 

Yes saw this also what  happened to any contact to the face is prohibited !

Frame by frame you can see Carlisle's hand momentarily at Hogans throat. The umpire was talking to Carlisle and about 10 metres away looking at them. The umpire did not guess he saw it. Free to Hogan no problem. Commentators like Watson besmirch the reputation of umpires and the victim when they  make a call like this when they have not seen the incident. Hogan may or may not have over reacted, he was looking at the umpire as he was going down. But the throat contact happened.

There was no camera angle to show where he was hit, and if he did indeed cop one in the throat, as the umpire saw, then his response is perfectly reasonable.

This is why I loathe foxsports "news" (if you can call it that)

They have 1 view, no replay, no other angle, but the article is written like it's confirmed that he staged.

I love how someone like that peanut Selwood can dive around every week and be lauded as tough and incidents like this are highlighted. Pathetic.

  On 06/05/2018 at 22:21, ManDee said:

Frame by frame you can see Carlisle's hand momentarily at Hogans throat. The umpire was talking to Carlisle and about 10 metres away looking at them. The umpire did not guess he saw it. Free to Hogan no problem. Commentators like Watson besmirch the reputation of umpires and the victim when they  make a call like this when they have not seen the incident. Hogan may or may not have over reacted, he was looking at the umpire as he was going down. But the throat contact happened.

The radio comments were also rather disparaging at a personal level. Have no difficulty with the club getting on the front foot about this one. Oliver was sacrificed to the powers that be.. let's not see it happen again.

If Hogan is suspended it will be a joke and a travesty of justice.

Last year he got two weeks for an identical incident when Jed Lamb (whose club later claimed 'delayed concussion') went down from a feather touch.   On that reckoning it is Carlisle who should be suspended.

Talk of suspending Hogan is just another example of some in the media preferring to lambaste Melbourne at every opportunity.  If Hogan is suspended the club must challenge it and go to the Tribunal.

Surely the only question should be what penalty Carlisle gets for deliberate high contact, off the ball.  

I love the victim blaming in AFL media.

Nevermind the bloke who punches another player, no issues there.

Renember in the JLT Oliver got a fine for a tummy tap against North Melbourne but those fines are no longer being given out.

Edited May 6, 20186 yr by Clint Bizkit

  On 06/05/2018 at 21:55, jnrmac said:

Nev Jetta was punched to the head. No free or no comment from the commentators.

the McCartin hit on nev was also late and could easily have been a 50. 

I remember when this happened.. Nifty seemed less than amused and even lesser still i think there was no repercussion.

Yep, he was pushed, clearly, and fell backwards (try doing that yourself without being pushed). He didn't wave his arms around seeking a free kick, the umpire was right there and blew the whistle straight away. Should be encumbent on the umpire to explain why he erroneously immediately gave a free kick, rather than Jesse have to explain his actions. 

  On 06/05/2018 at 21:49, btdemon said:

It's not a "dive". Look this body jolt with the impact. He fell backwards. You can't fake that. Granted, he was more than happy to accept the free kick and let Carlisle know about it, but its not a dive.

You are correct BT, falling backwards is not diving! 

Edited May 6, 20186 yr by Rusty Nails