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1 minute ago, Red and Blue realist said:

Won't be happening, sounds good from our end but would anyone from the Eagles swap Gaff for Kelly? I'd say no, so there'd be no way they'd do that deal, unless Gaff changed his mind and was now desperate to return to Vic. There's nothing to suggest that West Coast need to cough up a good player to get Kelly, they have signed Nic Nat on a reduced deal and Kenedy is nearly finished so his wage has dropped, they might lose a few fringe players, like the tigers have over the last few years but don't need to move on any of their god players to make it happen - unfortunately because the above has merit from our end.

Kelly has become a more damaging player than Gaff and is several years younger.

If I was an Eagles supporter I would swap the two in a heartbeat. 

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14 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Kelly has become a more damaging player than Gaff and is several years younger.

If I was an Eagles supporter I would swap the two in a heartbeat. 

There's a fair emotional investment in Gaff from their supporters, so they might not be as accepting of it as you think. Plus as I said, the Eagles are going after Kelly without having to move on any bigger name players, so if I was one of their supporters then I'd be wanting both. 

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40 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Kelly has become a more damaging player than Gaff and is several years younger.

If I was an Eagles supporter I would swap the two in a heartbeat. 

You really think? 

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1 hour ago, McQueen said:

Maybe worth moving back Andy?

With Kelly wanting to get to the the Eagles, can we be the conduit to allow that to happen with pick 2??

At a basic level:

MFC trade pick 2 to WCE

WCE give us Gaff and 13

WCE trade pick 2 to GFC

Kelly lands at Eagles

West Coast need to cough up a good player to land Tim Kelly and the only way I can see it happening is to offload a similarly handy player who might see a move back east as having merit.

I understand Gaff signed long term at the end of last year on the back of a very emotional period for him but as well know it means little given the Brad Hill scenario and countless other contract backflips.

What are people’s thoughts?

I'll allow it. 

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10 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

You really think? 

I’m awaiting your brilliance. 

Ed: upon review of stats on footywire, there’s not a lot in it.

Kelly vs Gaff

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1 hour ago, McQueen said:

I’m awaiting your brilliance. 

Ed: upon review of stats on footywire, there’s not a lot in it.

Kelly vs Gaff

 

No brilliance, just on gut feel I don’t agree. 

I think Kelly is an impostor.

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1 minute ago, Mach5 said:

 

No brilliance, just on gut feel I don’t agree. 

I think Kelly is an impostor.

Agree.

Assuming you mean he is pretending to be an elite AFL player who is arguably the best kick in the league and moves like a panther. 

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3 minutes ago, binman said:

Agree.

Assuming you mean he is pretending to be an elite AFL player who is arguably the best kick in the league and moves like a panther. 

Those kicks are fake. 

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Just a gut feel
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6 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

 

No brilliance, just on gut feel I don’t agree. 

I think Kelly is an impostor.

He’s doing a bloody good job of it. 

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34 minutes ago, McQueen said:

He’s doing a bloody good job of it. 

Maybe. I don’t think he’d be half as good in most other sides. I think he’s a cat, and that he benefits heavily from the attention opposition sides put into other Geelong players.

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I would trade pick 2 for Gaff.  Seems a fair deal.  Add Elliot and Langdon and our list looks very different.

no way WC would give us pick 13 back unless Gaff wanted out which he doesn't

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There are of course two aspects if not three to this deal.

First is the trade.Second is the money and third is the go home factor.

Kelly has the go home factor big time.Money should not be an issue because as a young player he will want reasonable money for two years before signing the big contract at 25. Would not see him wanting Gaff like money or even half of it to move. Of course Geelong might try and egg the pudding by making him an offer that is hard to refuse.

The trade is the hard part. Interesting suggestions here. I see merit in Geelong trading for a high (1-5) draft pick rather than a medium player and a pick 16.

If we can benefit from the "mess" great.

Fascinating

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West Coast’s window is barely ajar now imo. 

Kennedy broken and on last legs. 

Hurn almost done. 

Nic Nat scratching together games. 

Drugs again?

A couple of things from this is why would Kelly want to go there when it would be arguably greener pastures at Freo in years to come.

Secondly, the likes of Gaff can see the writing on the wall. Crashed out of the finals with hardly a whimper. 

C’mon Gaffy.... 

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2 hours ago, Mach5 said:

 

No brilliance, just on gut feel I don’t agree. 

I think Kelly is an impostor.

Perfect fit for our list then.

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18 minutes ago, McQueen said:

West Coast’s window is barely ajar now imo. 

Kennedy broken and on last legs. 

Hurn almost done. 

Nic Nat scratching together games. 

Drugs again?

A couple of things from this is why would Kelly want to go there when it would be arguably greener pastures at Freo in years to come.

Secondly, the likes of Gaff can see the writing on the wall. Crashed out of the finals with hardly a whimper. 

C’mon Gaffy.... 

Oscar Allen has very fresh legs, half back flankers can be found and so can competent rucks. They are still in a far better position than Freo.

I always thought Gaff's contract resigning was odd and that he wasn't 100% locked in forever and I have thought about whether we have a nibble, but really if we were chasing an expensive outside mid I'd have won the race for Brad Hill and gone down that route.

Gaff these days seems not dangerous enough on the outside and really more of a hard running accumulator who skirts the stoppages getting handballs from Shuey and Yeo and goes contest to contest. Watching him closely I can see why the Eagles didn't miss him all that much last year. We could do with that kind of player, but at the same time we could get Brayshaw, Oliver and Viney fitter and develop their outside games.

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4 hours ago, McQueen said:

I’m awaiting your brilliance. 

Ed: upon review of stats on footywire, there’s not a lot in it.

Kelly vs Gaff

Sure isn't McQ.

Although Kelly appears to be playing more of his time forward of centre or if he isn't his speed and agility might be getting him into more areas where he can receive more often, taking more shots.  More than double on average here.

Speed factor also seeing him close down on opponents a bit more often?  Tackles & pressure acts are a fair way ahead of Gaff.

Significantly higher clearance averages across the board.  Contested and ground ball also.  Gaff has him in the air a little on marks/intercepts.

Gaff also wins quite well on uncontested which i wouldn't have figured.  Although he is said to have an insane tank so that might explain the ability to get separation from opponent and get on the end of it.

Surprisingly (for me anyway) Gaff also has Kelly well covered on disposal efficiency (73% vs 64.3%) and more importantly kicking efficiency (64.1% vs 54.3%).

Would be handy if we could get a hold of their kick ratings.

Either one would be a handy addition and major improvement to the list...

https://m.afl.com.au/stats/stats-pro#/Compare?playerIds=CD_I295898,CD_I290801&comparisonTab=h2h

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4 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Oscar Allen has very fresh legs, half back flankers can be found and so can competent rucks. They are still in a far better position than Freo.

I always thought Gaff's contract resigning was odd and that he wasn't 100% locked in forever and I have thought about whether we have a nibble, but really if we were chasing an expensive outside mid I'd have won the race for Brad Hill and gone down that route.

Gaff these days seems not dangerous enough on the outside and really more of a hard running accumulator who skirts the stoppages getting handballs from Shuey and Yeo and goes contest to contest. Watching him closely I can see why the Eagles didn't miss him all that much last year. We could do with that kind of player, but at the same time we could get Brayshaw, Oliver and Viney fitter and develop their outside games.

“Oscar Allen has fresh legs” wtf does that even mean?? He’s shown as much as Oscar McDonald ffs. 

Darling is a crab. The only time he takes marks is when his teammates block opponents and the umps don’t pull it up. 

Take Hurn and Yeo out of that team and they win half the games they won this year and miss finals. 

Shuey is a worse ducker than Selwood but again gets the same treatment as Darling which is a blind eye from the Umps. 

Gaff will become a waste by-product of this drug fuelled underperforming team over the next few years and should entertain offers elsewhere. 

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5 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Gaff and Eagles 2nd pick 32 for

Dees pick 2(3) 

absolutely

 

Horrible 

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6 hours ago, McQueen said:

West Coast’s window is barely ajar now imo. 

Kennedy broken and on last legs. 

Hurn almost done. 

Nic Nat scratching together games. 

Drugs again?

A couple of things from this is why would Kelly want to go there when it would be arguably greener pastures at Freo in years to come.

Secondly, the likes of Gaff can see the writing on the wall. Crashed out of the finals with hardly a whimper. 

C’mon Gaffy.... 

I think the saga with Willy has and will kill them off, they have alot of ageing players and added on top of all that the travel factor.

Another drugs saga will weight heavily on the club and their culture.

The brand will take a massive hit once again which will drain the life out of them.

All under Trevor Nisbeth watch once again, funny that.

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10 hours ago, McQueen said:

“Oscar Allen has fresh legs” wtf does that even mean?? He’s shown as much as Oscar McDonald ffs. 

Darling is a crab. The only time he takes marks is when his teammates block opponents and the umps don’t pull it up. 

Take Hurn and Yeo out of that team and they win half the games they won this year and miss finals. 

Shuey is a worse ducker than Selwood but again gets the same treatment as Darling which is a blind eye from the Umps. 

Gaff will become a waste by-product of this drug fuelled underperforming team over the next few years and should entertain offers elsewhere. 

Tell us how you really feel Steve!!! Great summary by the way.

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How old is Gaff? I wouldn't trade pick 2 for anyone. Anderson will be a gun we need him more than Gaff.

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On 9/16/2019 at 11:12 AM, binman said:

Yes x a million.

 

If i was to choose one player in the league to come to the dees it would be a toss up between Gaff and Kelly

I'd think a Whitfield type or a real speed run and carry guy is who we are after.

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