1 hour ago, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

Am gutted, love watching Viney play.

 

That said, I still think we can beat the handbaggers 

How come they’re known as the ‘hand baggers’? 

1 hour ago, Deemania since 56 said:

That is a very pertinent thought.

At least, whoever he ( Viney) plays against, will not have to worry about getting a broken jaw, in questionable circumstances, when he was just starting off a career.......

34 minutes ago, Deemented Are Go! said:

How come they’re known as the ‘hand baggers’? 

Question mark over their hardness in the 80's (maybe earlier). Buddha Hocking was 'The Cat with the lead pipe in his handbag'...legend!

On 08/03/2018 at 6:10 PM, It's Time said:

From what I can see he has followed the timeline he told Saty in about November. I'm not aware of any major setbacks since then. The training reports since Jan have had him running flat out for 2 1/2 months now and he's back in the full training about when he said he would.  His plantafacia injury healed normally the consequent stress fracture was the set back. It's not one of those injuries like a navicular that can be career ending. Trenners injury has spooked us all but that's not what he's got. 

It's true you can't trust anything players or the Club say about injuries but hearing that he's done full training in the main group for about a month now and continues to says all I need to hear. 

I guess one big question is consequent, or just subsequent. 

Viney, out, abblett in, we go into the game as underdog's.

We play our best footy when we are underdog's.

I want viney back when he is 100% and not a day before!

For those wondering with Viney, listen to Dom Tyson's interview last night, it is all about k's in the legs, he hasn't done enough and won't have by Rd 1

Bring him back early just asking for a soft tissue injury

 

Edit   I am sure Viney will be asking how he can get the extra k's in before Rd 1, think this is a very public NO from the club

Edited March 9, 20187 yr by Satyriconhome

Agree. Never going to play.  Needs more time and fitness. Maynard now in. 

Viney got engaged, grats to the lad.

On 3/8/2018 at 3:16 PM, Jaded said:

Totally agree. It's a long season, and his career is all in front of him.

100% \/

On 3/8/2018 at 3:16 PM, Jaded said:

I would rather miss him for 5 weeks, than have him struggle for the next 10 years with this injury.

missing the Finals.

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

For those wondering with Viney, listen to Dom Tyson's interview last night, it is all about k's in the legs, he hasn't done enough and won't have by Rd 1

Bring him back early just asking for a soft tissue injury

 

Edit   I am sure Viney will be asking how he can get the extra k's in before Rd 1, think this is a very public NO from the club

But he was training at high intensity two weeks ago albeit on his own and with 3 assistant coaches for large parts of training and then joining in for group exercises at times, as I witnessed. But has been absent lately at training? Has there been a set back in the last 2 weeks? 

11 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

But he was training at high intensity two weeks ago albeit on his own and with 3 assistant coaches for large parts of training and then joining in for group exercises at times, as I witnessed. But has been absent lately at training? Has there been a set back in the last 2 weeks? 

Maybe he is doing intense training away from the club, & prying eyes?

3 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Agree. Never going to play.  Needs more time and fitness. Maynard now in. 

You have to be kidding. I sure hope the likes of ANB and Harmes are ready. They are much better at this stage.

4 hours ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

For periods of last season when Maxy, Chunk and Viney went down, I was impressed by our ability to just find a way.

We need to do that again.

Yep it's what good sides do.

4 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

But he was training at high intensity two weeks ago albeit on his own and with 3 assistant coaches for large parts of training and then joining in for group exercises at times, as I witnessed. But has been absent lately at training? Has there been a set back in the last 2 weeks? 

"Whilst he has not had any setbacks in his rehab program, Jack has not completed enough football sessions."

You can do all the gym work and running etc. you want, but sooner or later, if you're a footballer, you have to train playing football.

9 hours ago, Kumamoto_Ken said:

Question mark over their hardness in the 80's (maybe earlier). Buddha Hocking was 'The Cat with the lead pipe in his handbag'...legend!

started a long time before th 80s and was because they played like girls

12 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Agree. Never going to play.  Needs more time and fitness. Maynard now in. 

Maynard?

No way.

I reckon the club, and Viney, and I thought it at the time, were reckless in their management of the foot last season in the latter weeks. September, October, November, January, February for it to heel.   could be in wee bit of strife.  

Now that we know Viney isn’t in

Jetta  Omac Hunt 

Brayshaw Lever Hibberd 

Salem. ANB  Tyson 

Petracca Hogan. Fritsch

Garlett.   TMac.  Melksham

Gawn  Oliver   Jones

Vince Harmes Hannan Stretch /Lewis 

 

11 hours ago, DV8 said:

Maybe he is doing intense training away from the club, & prying eyes?

We all could understand why he might be keeping away from those prying eyes. 

15 hours ago, Deefiant said:

Hindsight is always 20/20 but with finals on the line, can you blame the club for trying to rush him back as earlty as possible?

My word I blame the Club.  Nothing hindsight about it. Thought it was dumb then & still think it was dumb. Why on earth risk a champion player.  We know how difficult foot injuries can be.   

Medical  degrees must be going cheap now, with so many medical specialists on DL,who know far more about injuries and rehab than our club medical and fitness staff.

Edited March 9, 20187 yr by Redleg

27 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Medical  degrees must be going cheap now, with so many medical specialists on DL,who know far more about injuries and rehab than our club medical and fitness staff.

You don’t need a medical degree to see the risks involved in bringing a player back too early from a foot injury. Do you?

The medical staff are paid for those kinds of decisions. Paid well. The lack of foresight was quite astonishing if you ask me.

I also find it weird that Goodwin and Mahoney initially said Viney would be ready to play round 1 and maybe even a JLT game a few weeks ago. Yet now the msg is that he hasn’t had enough conditioning or kms to be considered ready.

If he hasn’t had any hiccups, then wouldn’t they have known that he wouldn’t be in contention for round 1 given the lack of conditioning he’s had thus far in pre-season?

I know plenty of supporters don’t care about this stuff. But the lack of clarity and mixed msges surrounding injury at the MFC has always been an annoyance imo. 

Edited March 10, 20187 yr by stevethemanjordan

53 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

My word I blame the Club.  Nothing hindsight about it. Thought it was dumb then & still think it was dumb. Why on earth risk a champion player.  We know how difficult foot injuries can be.   

There is no blame to attach, I watched Viney at training, he looked and said he was ok, he wasn't 

1 minute ago, stevethemanjordan said:

You don’t need a medical degree to see the risks involved in bringing a player back too early from a foot injury. Do you?

The medical staff are paid for that.The lack of foresight was quite astonishing if you ask me.

I also find it weird that Goodwin and Mahoney initially said Viney would be ready to play round 1 and maybe even a JLT game a few weeks ago. Yet now the msg is that he hasn’t had enough conditioning or kms to be considered ready.

If he hasn’t had any hiccups, then wouldn’t they have known that he wouldn’t be in contention for round 1 given the lack of conditioning he’s had thus far in pre-season?

I know plenty of supporters don’t care about this stuff. But the lack of clarity and mixed msges surrounding injury at the MFC has always been an annoyance imo. 

Or constantly reading between tje lines, and looking for any excuse to carp

Viney looks ready to go at training, he has told me he is right on track, the Club are being extra cautious.....great I say

 

Again, thanks for sharing nothing we don’t already know.

“He’s a chance to play (in the pre-season competition) but definitely round 1.”

That’s a direct quote from Goodwin from Feb 21.

What is the purpose in saying such things if it’s at odds with the reality of his situation? 

I don’t understand it. The club need to be better at communicating. It’s not that hard to say; “Jack will be assessed closer to the eve of the season due to the lack of conditioning he’s had over the pre-season.”