3 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

"The other thing that struck me about Ken is that he really does just focus on what you can bring to the team, opposed to the little inefficiencies you need to improve on...

So there's no such thing as wanting to be a better player? You just do what you "bring to the team" forever?

3 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Good article on JT going to Port.  http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-17/trengove-happy-with-upfront-and-honest-hinkley

He noted:  "The other thing that struck me about Ken is that he really does just focus on what you can bring to the team, opposed to the little inefficiencies you need to improve on...for a player that's been around for a few years now, it's great to hear what you can do again".

Watts said something similar in a post trade interview.  I don't think either meant to chip Goodwin or Macca but it makes one wonder about positive motivation vs 'carrot and stick', post Roos.  

On a lighter note JT is the designated 'chaperone' for Watts:  "Ken was pretty keen for me to live with (Jack) to keep him on the straight and narrow."  Watts said in a recent interview they will share a house at Henley Beach. 

Having his mate who knows his way round Adelaide, is a known hard worker/trainer to buddy with, may just be the making of Jack Watts. 

Wish them every success.

No, it doesn't.  Of course he is going to say something very positive about a coach who has given him a lifeline.  He'll do anything to stay in the good books.

2 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

If only Trengove was at Melbourne for multiple years with Watts then it may have helped Watts become a more professional player.

Absolutely spot on.  He played with Trenners for 8 years and saw how hard the bloke worked to get his body right again, and even that wasn't enough.  I don't think that will change now.

Decided to have a looksy at how Trenners is doing in the SANFL. 

Leading the league for disposals and DT points. 2nd in the league for clearances. 3rd for inside 50s. 4th for tackles. He’s killing it.

If he doesn’t get named tonight with all of Port’s outs including some of their inside brigade in Wines and the like, it’s hard to imagine it happening. 

Hopefully another call up isn’t far away. He’s doing everything possible to get one.

 

1 hour ago, P-man said:

Decided to have a looksy at how Trenners is doing in the SANFL. 

Leading the league for disposals and DT points. 2nd in the league for clearances. 3rd for inside 50s. 4th for tackles. He’s killing it.

If he doesn’t get named tonight with all of Port’s outs including some of their inside brigade in Wines and the like, it’s hard to imagine it happening. 

Hopefully another call up isn’t far away. He’s doing everything possible to get one.

 

Agree.  I've been looking at his stats.  he is averaging around 40 touches and often getting 2 goals per game!

surely he gets a look in.

2 hours ago, DubDee said:

Agree.  I've been looking at his stats.  he is averaging around 40 touches and often getting 2 goals per game!

surely he gets a look in.

Get him back!

 

Trengove would be a massive upgrade on the likes of Maynard, C.Wagner & Kennedy-Harris who are just clogging the list. That said, there is no point him being on the list either if Goodwin won't play him.

12 minutes ago, poita said:

Trengove would be a massive upgrade on the likes of Maynard, C.Wagner & Kennedy-Harris who are just clogging the list. That said, there is no point him being on the list either if Goodwin won't play him.

Yeah, Goodwin might as well just delist him.

Seriously though, I wonder if there’s ever been a player afforded so much time?

2014 - 2 games

2015 - 0 games

2016 - 3 games

2017 - 2 games

2018 - 3 games

2019 - 0 games to date

10 games in 6 seasons across two clubs. He turns 28 this year. He has managed to limp (lit/fig) to the age where really only the elite survive, having been in the system since 18, and he hasn’t even raised the bat for the 100 yet. It’s incredible really.

15 minutes ago, Nasher said:

10 games in 6 seasons across two clubs. He turns 28 this year. He has managed to limp (lit/fig) to the age where really only the elite survive, having been in the system since 18, and he hasn’t even raised the bat for the 100 yet. It’s incredible really.

Ruckman often get to carve out relatively long careers with relatively little games, but a midfielder/flanker? Almost unprecedented.

Didn’t realise he was still on ports list 

I'd have him back.

Trenner's story is definitely not a happy one, started so bloody well and looked like he was going to be a 200+ game player for our club and a gun to boot. Then that foot problem (with a little help from the club and Neeld) ruined him.

Another one for the the "what could've been" book.

1 hour ago, Nasher said:

Seriously though, I wonder if there’s ever been a player afforded so much time?

2014 - 2 games

2015 - 0 games

2016 - 3 games

2017 - 2 games

2018 - 3 games

2019 - 0 games to date

10 games in 6 seasons across two clubs. He turns 28 this year. He has managed to limp (lit/fig) to the age where really only the elite survive, having been in the system since 18, and he hasn’t even raised the bat for the 100 yet. It’s incredible really.

Tragically, the number 4 pick from 2009 is similar:

2010: 23 games

2011: 0

2012: 0

2013: 0

2014: 2

2015: 0

2016: 0

35 minutes ago, Pates said:

Trenner's story is definitely not a happy one, started so bloody well and looked like he was going to be a 200+ game player for our club and a gun to boot. Then that foot problem (with a little help from the club and Neeld) ruined him.

Another one for the the "what could've been" book.

And I suppose your blaming Neeld...  for Viney's & TMc's foot issues, as well.

Not to mention our current groin injuries...  and Levers ACL ?

2 hours ago, Pates said:

Trenner's story is definitely not a happy one, started so bloody well and looked like he was going to be a 200+ game player for our club and a gun to boot. Then that foot problem (with a little help from the club and Neeld) ruined him.

Another one for the the "what could've been" book.

I still find it facinating that the mental weight of the captiancy actually resulted in physical stress on Trenner's foot. Quite remarkable really. 

Not even listed as an emergency this week. I read he’s averaging around 37 disposals the last 6 weeks.

2 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Tragically, the number 4 pick from 2009 is similar:

2010: 23 games

2011: 0

2012: 0

2013: 0

2014: 2

2015: 0

2016: 0

Had to Google who that pick was 4, totally forgot about Morabito. Another player with a similar story, Alex Johnson.

2011 - 20

2012 - 25

2013 - 0

2014 - 0

2015 - 0

2016 - 0

2017 - 0

2018 - 2

Damn it, not listed, even as an emergency, was hopeful. His must be a development role, setting standards.

Edited May 9, 20196 yr by DaisyDeeciple

Wouldn't surprise me if he is still there in a leadership capacity. 

 

I suspect it would be unprecedented for an AFL captain to still be on a list 6 seasons after stepping down as captain.  

 

Hopefully he can snare a few more games before he's done. 

I'd take him back if he wanted to come.  I still remember the quality of his kicking when he and the other new draftees arrived at the club.  The four of them were doing some kick to kick and his targets never had to move to mark the ball.  It was always in front of their eyes.

7 hours ago, DV8 said:

And I suppose your blaming Neeld...  for Viney's & TMc's foot issues, as well.

Not to mention our current groin injuries...  and Levers ACL ?

 

5 hours ago, chookrat said:

I still find it facinating that the mental weight of the captiancy actually resulted in physical stress on Trenner's foot. Quite remarkable really. 

I'm not blaming Neeld for all of the club's woes and certainly not the currently predicament. The captaincy and the stresses put on such a young body must've played their part. Trengove and others have admitted that despite there being concerns he continued to be played and pushed way too hard. The mental weight is a completely different story, I actually don't necessarily blame the club for going to down that direction. It was a gamble and Jones was no more ready than either Grimes or Trenners, fact was at that time we were actually void of any true leaders.

But the club (and as the coach of the time Neeld) played a part in Jack's mismanagement, to ignore this is to not learn form your mistakes. Unfortunately I don't think we did because we pushed Viney back too soon in 2017 for a last ditch push at the finals, ultimately it was a mistake and it cost us in 2018 with limited matches. Like Neeld, Goodwin should shoulder a portion of that blame as well.

10 hours ago, poita said:

Trengove would be a massive upgrade on the likes of Maynard, C.Wagner & Kennedy-Harris who are just clogging the list. That said, there is no point him being on the list either if Goodwin won't play him.

Well he just so happens to have played a couple games alongside JKH in 2017 so we have some ready-made comparative data we can turn to - Jack picking up a collective 29 possessions (3 contested, 1 clearance) to Jay's 33 (14 contested, 3 clearances), with 4 tackles compared to 10. Yes, they played in different positions. No, Trenners wouldn't be a massive upgrade - and I think little of JKH as a footballer. Corey Maynard, in his last two games, also has Trengove covered on the stats-sheet across every column.

6 hours ago, Skuit said:

Well he just so happens to have played a couple games alongside JKH in 2017 so we have some ready-made comparative data we can turn to - Jack picking up a collective 29 possessions (3 contested, 1 clearance) to Jay's 33 (14 contested, 3 clearances), with 4 tackles compared to 10. Yes, they played in different positions. No, Trenners wouldn't be a massive upgrade - and I think little of JKH as a footballer. Corey Maynard, in his last two games, also has Trengove covered on the stats-sheet across every column.

Two games from two years ago? Not sure that tells us much of anything. I don’t see JKH or Corey Maynard dominating allcomers at the state level. Maybe I’m not imagining hard enough.

I’m not advocating for a Trenners return, partly because there is next to no chance of that happening, but his form surely warrants another roll of the dice when half your team is out injured.

I am now quietly hoping Port get thrashed this weekend.

10 hours ago, Pates said:

I'm not blaming Neeld for all of the club's woes and certainly not the currently predicament. The captaincy and the stresses put on such a young body must've played their part. Trengove and others have admitted that despite there being concerns he continued to be played and pushed way too hard. The mental weight is a completely different story, I actually don't necessarily blame the club for going to down that direction. It was a gamble and Jones was no more ready than either Grimes or Trenners, fact was at that time we were actually void of any true leaders.

But the club (and as the coach of the time Neeld) played a part in Jack's mismanagement, to ignore this is to not learn form your mistakes. Unfortunately I don't think we did because we pushed Viney back too soon in 2017

Dave Misson:  Former Sydney and St Kilda Elite Performance Manager who was the first signing of the Mark Neeld era when he joined the club as Fitness Manager in September 2011.

http://demonwiki.org/David+Misson

Jack Trengove started his AFL career in 2010

A foot injury in the 2013 pre-season hurt his campaign, and he was more successful with defensive duties during the season than as an attacking midfielder. After playing 20 games for the season he relinquished the captaincy at the end of 2013. Dropped after two games of the 2014 season scans after two games in the VFL revealed that Trengove had a fractured navicular bone ...

It wasn't Neeld, IMO.

http://demonwiki.org/Jack+Trengove

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-port-adelaide-power--jack-trengove

... can anyone see the similarities of continuing on injured, ending with complicated chronic foot injuries, during this period of time ?

Edited May 10, 20196 yr by DV8

8 hours ago, P-man said:

Two games from two years ago? Not sure that tells us much of anything. I don’t see JKH or Corey Maynard dominating allcomers at the state level. Maybe I’m not imagining hard enough.

I’m not advocating for a Trenners return, partly because there is next to no chance of that happening, but his form surely warrants another roll of the dice when half your team is out injured.

I am now quietly hoping Port get thrashed this weekend.

You're right P-Man. Two games doesn't tell us anything. Watching almost his entire career and the fact that he can't make the depleted Port team-sheet however tells us that he wouldn't be a massive upgrade on the likes of JKH as contended - who, if I recall correctly, had a crazy patch of state-level form leading up to those two matches.

We all saw what happened to Trenners. He lost his pace, and he didn't have much penetration on his kick to begin with. Without any elite skills, he doesn't now have the physical attributes to successfully step up to the next level. It's the same case with JKH I'm afraid.