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19 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

I read yesterday that Port traded Lobbe to Carlton for pick 95 in a bid to free up some salary cap space. If that's the case why are we paying any part of Watts salary. If he was on 500k as some suggest  it looks as though Port played us nicely.

Still think we should of chased Rockliff and if we landed him we could of retired Vince. 

And can I now assume that no player has any excuses going into next season. People constantly brought up Watts incomplete game, well he wasn't alone. 

So we trade out Watts because of his standards, then force Vince, renowned for his standards and relationships at the club, into retirement, and bring in Rockcliff, a guy who before this year was a renowned locker room cancer. 

Makes sense.

Port had a great trade period, but they've brought in three guys who, despite all being extremely talented, are known for inconsistency. I think it's questionable that Port are now in flag contention.

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15 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

Meh. Paid overs for Lever, didn't get enough for Watts and redeemed themselves with Balic.

Another who fails to recognise the obvious talent and value of an opposition player, but happily overvalues one of our own.

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54 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

Meh. Paid overs for Lever, didn't get enough for Watts and redeemed themselves with Balic.

What's Lever worth ?

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Wrapped we got Jake. He's a TEN year player for us and will definately be the general down back soon enough.

Balic juries out on. A lot of industry types seem to rate him.

Watts had his chances adn whether we like it or not the FD is setting a clear message about effort.

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3 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

I read yesterday that Port traded Lobbe to Carlton for pick 95 in a bid to free up some salary cap space. If that's the case why are we paying any part of Watts salary. If he was on 500k as some suggest  it looks as though Port played us nicely.

Still think we should of chased Rockliff and if we landed him we could of retired Vince. 

And can I now assume that no player has any excuses going into next season. People constantly brought up Watts incomplete game, well he wasn't alone. 

So you would have been ok if we got pick 95 for Watts, if Port paid all of his salary? You can't have it both ways with a contracted player that you are looking to move on.

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2 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Another who fails to recognise the obvious talent and value of an opposition player, but happily overvalues one of our own.

Just an opinion. I guess time will tell.

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It is what it is, achieved the targets so I'm ok with it. Time will tell anyway. So, where to now with the draft? Will we focus on midfielders or rucks? I personally believe we need both, but I'd be happy with a mature ruck and junior outside mid to develop. Thoughts?

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16 hours ago, bing181 said:

AFL review of Trade Period. We're equal 4th (or equal second, depending on how you look at things ...)

Port Adelaide - 9/10
Essendon - 9/10
Fremantle - 9/10
Adelaide - 7.5/10
Brisbane - 7.5/10
Melbourne - 7.5/10
Geelong - 7/10
Richmond - 7/10
Sydney - 7/10
West Coast - 7/10
Gold Coast - 6.5/10
GWS - 6.5/10
Western Bulldogs - 6.5/10
Carlton - 6/10
Hawthorn - 6/10
St. Kilda - 5.5/10
Collingwood - 5/10
North Melbourne - 5/10

Who are the judges here?

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53 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

Just an opinion. I guess time will tell.

I'll ask you again, what in your "opinion" is Lever worth ?

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1 minute ago, ProDee said:

I'll ask you again, what in your "opinion" is Lever worth ?

I would have said a first round and a second round.

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8 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

We got market value for Watts and paid market value for a bloke who was almost an All Australian at 21.  I don't understand why people can't see this.

We also paid less than what Fremantle initially wanted for Balic.

(But heh, ignore what doesn't confirm the narrative.)

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31 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

I would have said a first round and a second round.

Would you trade pick 1 for pick 10 and a future second with a team expected to play finals, i.e. pick 10 and a pick in the teens?

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37 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

I would have said a first round and a second round.

But thats what the deal basically was allowing for the picks coming back. 

Think the best thing we did was spread it over two drafts - next year never comes - we can easily trade back into 2018 first round when that trade period arrives. 

We got Lever for minimal impact on this years list. 

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15 minutes ago, DaveyDee said:

But thats what the deal basically was allowing for the picks coming back. 

Think the best thing we did was spread it over two drafts - next year never comes - we can easily trade back into 2018 first round when that trade period arrives. 

We got Lever for minimal impact on this years list. 

I surrender

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FkN not

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30 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

I surrender

After you answer my question...

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Another one for the dummies.

Melbourne Demons

In: Jake Lever, Harley Balic, pick 31, pick 36, Adelaide’s 2018 third-round pick.

Out: Jack Watts, pick 10, pick 66, Melbourne’s 2018 first-round pick, Melbourne’s 2018 fourth-round pick.

Melbourne paid a lot to recruit Jake Lever but he will prove to be worth every penny – there’s no other player his age who is anything like him, and the Demons will find themselves a with a unique, elite player in their backline for ten years to come.

Harley Balic I like too and he came cheap. No complaints.

Unlike most I am guessing, I reckon trading out Jack Watts was a good call. He’s been little other than a headache for near on ten years and there’s a point where it’s just not worth the effort anymore.

Melbourne will have a quiet few years at the draft table but have assembled more than enough talent to take them to the pointy end of the ladder over the next decade.

The Crowd’s grade: B (52 per cent)
My grade: A

http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/10/20/roars-2017-afl-trade-period-report-card-every-club-graded-voted/

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3 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

I already did. 

I must have missed it.

What was your answer to the question, "would you trade pick one for two other picks, i.e. pick 10 and one the following year in the teens (hopefully) ?

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Interesting list of nervous & potentially soon to be uncontracted players. 

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/hartung-heads-hawks-facing-nervous-wait-20171020-gz5b4h.html

Just in case it needs further mention, there are some high draft picks here soon to discover if they're in the AFL scrapheap (o'rourke, hartung , lennon) .. illustrates (again) how much it is a lottery going to the draft.

#sogladwegotLever!!

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I think you've got to look at the fact that we've essentially brought Lever for the rest of his career. Players who are traded will very rarely ask for a trade again so essentially we have Lever until he retires. He's 21 now and could play over 10 years easily. 

Carlton traded even more for Gibbs who they'll have for 4 years max.

I'll take our side of the trade every day of the week.

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I'm happy with the trade period. On the face of it we over paid for Lever and got unders for Watts. But Lever is a gun. Number one intercept player in the league and only 21yo. Can understand crows wanting a lot for him. You can talk about stringing things out and walking players to the draft but we just want to get deals done. Our list is young and right in the frame for finals and even a Premiership push. Bringing in a quality 21yo works. 
Watts I would have hoped for more. But the club wanted him out and Port couldn't really give anything higher. Realistically we wouldn't have got much more than 25ish. 
Balic for nothing. Can't go wrong.
 
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3 hours ago, ProDee said:

Another one for the dummies.

Melbourne Demons

In: Jake Lever, Harley Balic, pick 31, pick 36, Adelaide’s 2018 third-round pick.

Out: Jack Watts, pick 10, pick 66, Melbourne’s 2018 first-round pick, Melbourne’s 2018 fourth-round pick.

Melbourne paid a lot to recruit Jake Lever but he will prove to be worth every penny – there’s no other player his age who is anything like him, and the Demons will find themselves a with a unique, elite player in their backline for ten years to come.

Harley Balic I like too and he came cheap. No complaints.

Unlike most I am guessing, I reckon trading out Jack Watts was a good call. He’s been little other than a headache for near on ten years and there’s a point where it’s just not worth the effort anymore.

Melbourne will have a quiet few years at the draft table but have assembled more than enough talent to take them to the pointy end of the ladder over the next decade.

The Crowd’s grade: B (52 per cent)
My grade: A

http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/10/20/roars-2017-afl-trade-period-report-card-every-club-graded-voted/

The Roar is in error. We also handed in over pick 10..noted later but shows imbalance. Just an oversight eh

i like the idea of having Lever. Gave the farm needlessly. Hope it's worth it.

Balic is irrelevant. Watts still on wrong side of ledger.

MFC not that clever after all. Shame

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