13 minutes ago, rpfc said:

So Riewoldt and Watts are as talented as each other with the same predispositions in physicality and courage? With the same god given endurance and marking ability?

@Dr. Gonzo - the difference between a Watts and Riewoldt or a Kennedy and a Viney are intangible and tangible. 

The tangible differences between Watts and Riewoldt are so marked and numerous that the difference in intangibles don’t even register. Don’t matter. 

The intangibles that Watts didn’t live up to - commitment, application, ‘giving a [censored]’ - only meant he didn’t become a better version of Jack Watts.

Not some delusional fever dream that he shat away the chance for us to have a great of the game play for us.

Yes, he was taken to task on more than one occasion around training efforts (or so we have been told and I accept it) but this seems to have evolved into a narrative where 24/7 he didn't give a shite. I call absolute BS on that. It's keyboard warrior stuff where judgements are made from hearsay. I have watched enough live games of Jack Watts to feel disappointed with the out of kilter assessments about him - maybe they are a reflection of the world we are now in.

I just want to say that Jack did not come back to pre season under done, in fact he came back in the same shape as 2016 which was good, he had a great year. His 3 k time trial was his best ever, you can check it.  All his other figures were good too.  He came back with blue hair which was a mistake and put him I all the papers which [censored] off Goody.  He went to Byron on a Tuesday night, Wednesday was a day off, got back Wednesday night. Missed no rehab. He did extra sessions every week.  It's a furphy.  Jack is not like Viney, Jones or Macca, he doesn't live breath football 24/7, he is a normal person like 80 percent of the team but he loves MFC and will be sad to go but he will.  I don't know how many of you would have thought we would dream of trading Jack after round 13 this year

5 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Is it conceivable, Mr Red, that the club could be w....w.....w....wrong! in all of this?

Go Jack!

Yes.

He had a very good 2016 and the first half of 2017 before injury. The Collingwood QB game was a highlight of his career and the Dees’ last 11-15 years. I think he should stay, commit and progress. I’ll be disappointed if he goes to the bodies in the barrels area just because he had a few beers.

13 minutes ago, Biffen said:

People recall that time on the wing with some distortion.

3 Collingwood players were intent on roughing him up ,which is true, it's a game for bullies if we are honest.

What happened was that he drew a free kick through their stupidity.

He was not hurt and indeed had a slight smile as he took the kick

It's funny how people repeat things they think to be something when they are only partially so.

It was a time when the club was a revolving [censored] house of mercenaries drifting through without aim or purpose.

What I like about Jack is that he became an extremely loyal man-and I am a very loyal person myself.

Goodwin is just a foreigner to me at this stage and I think presentation night was somewhat of a shock to him at how much our Jesus ,I mean Jack ,is loved after his 9 year input, no matter how inconsistent.

If Marlon is Biffen I understand your love for Jack. Say no more.

I love Jack for other reasons: I think he plays good footy for the MFC. 

Having said that if he's gotta go, he's gotta go. 

As Iggy said, you've got to deal with the real.

The 'real' is that Watts has become a scapegoat, a scapegoat who I'm afraid may come back to haunt us.

I wish him luck. I like his attitude to life.

( There is also a part of me which acknowledges he's probably never had to struggle to achieve anything. That's probably the craw which has made Goodwin come unstuck. Goodwin had to fight for everything. A classic case of the street-fighting man's envy of the naturally talented. Also a classic case of the differences in the priorities of human beings. To some mere mortals AFL or any other sport is not everything. There's also the beach, the love of being with friends, the sheer joy of being talented and able to enjoy life. I doubt Mr JW has enjoyed much of his time under the scrutiny of the likes of Demonland supporters, let alone the scrutiny of the Goodwin's of the world. )

In regards to the deal with Port sending 2 picks for 1. Do GC need 2 picks in the 30s? I don't think points matter as they don't have the academy players to pick. Or do they? If we can get the deal done though that'd be great. 

9 hours ago, ChewyOnMyBoot said:

Personally, I can't wait until the truth comes out.

The truth has come out. It's just that you won't accept it. 

4 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Yes.

We've broached this before

I remember this

Apologies

6 minutes ago, Diamond said:

He had a very good 2016 and the first half of 2017 before injury. The Collingwood QB game was a highlight of his career and the Dees’ last 11-15 years. I think he should stay, commit and progress. I’ll be disappointed if he goes to the bodies in the barrels area just because he had a few beers.

Agreed.  But appears to be a lost cause.  Kent had a few beers, copped a suspension and stays!! Obviously on less coin!!

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

Really ? Getting dropped in the final round of 2015 wasn't a rocket? Getting dropped late this year wasn't a rocket? Getting dropped for the pre season games wasn't a rocket? FFS Watts even dropped himself a few years ago.

selective memory...

No that wasn’t a Rocket. He was still the number one boy. 

Now he is getting the rocket

now he knows he is out of luck. It’s either Hard Work or he walks away....

 

6 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

No that wasn’t a Rocket. He was still the number one boy. 

Now he is getting the rocket

now he knows he is out of luck. It’s either Hard Work or he walks away....

 

He needs to go for the hard work option or he’ll be remembered poorly.

8 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

No that wasn’t a Rocket. He was still the number one boy. 

Now he is getting the rocket

now he knows he is out of luck. It’s either Hard Work or he walks away....

 

He will walk away because he has to. 

personally, i'd still like jack to stay, work his butt off and win back a regular spot in the side

i do however wonder if there isn't something else going on (or went on) that we don't know about. maybe, maybe not, maybe we will never know. i also can't but think it could have been handled better. seems a lot of cutting off the nose to spite the face

still we must all move on. four more days at most 

2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

personally, i'd still like jack to stay, work his butt off and win back a regular spot in the side

i do however wonder if there isn't something else going on (or went on) that we don't know about. maybe, maybe not, maybe we will never know. i also can't but think it could have been handled better. seems a lot of cutting off the nose to spite the face

still we must all move on. four more days at most 

He had a regular spot until  he was injured

 

I say this with the utmost sincerity and without wanting to sound cruel,

Sadly for the Ablett family, the real reason for Gary Jnr to return to Geelong no longer exists.

I wonder what emphasis Gary Jnr places in his return now given this sad happening?

I also recall Roos being heavily invested in "player welfare" and note Goodwin's apparent lack of concern in this area.

5 minutes ago, Biffen said:

I say this with the utmost sincerity and without wanting to sound cruel,

Sadly for the Ablett family, the real reason for Gary Jnr to return to Geelong no longer exists.

I wonder what emphasis Gary Jnr places in his return now given this sad happening?

I also recall Roos being heavily invested in "player welfare" and note Goodwin's apparent lack of concern in this area.

Call bullshyte on that, there is now more reason for Gary Jr to come home, the family needs to be together and he needs to be there for his family

Ports team next year:

Sam Grey Charlie Dixon Chad Wingard

Robbie Grey Jack Watts Steven Motlop

Jared Polec Trav Boak T Rockcliff

Hamish Hartlett D Howard J Westhoff

Matthew Broadbent T Clurey, J Pittard

Ruck: Paddy Ryder, O Wines, S Powell-Pepper

Int: B Ebert, J Neade, J Hombsch, D Byrne- Jones

That’s a damn good team.

We had to live through the machinations of 186 - and the politics of that day nearly killed the club. 

I hope to high heaven this isn't political or personal. 

Like most of us, I just don't know. Some on here seem to suggest they know stuff...

Me - I think he's improved, and I wouldn't trade him

1 hour ago, Biffen said:

People recall that time on the wing with some distortion.

3 Collingwood players were intent on roughing him up ,which is true, it's a game for bullies if we are honest.

What happened was that he drew a free kick through their stupidity.

He was not hurt and indeed had a slight smile as he took the kick

It's funny how people repeat things they think to be something when they are only partially so.

It was a time when the club was a revolving [censored] house of mercenaries drifting through without aim or purpose.

What I like about Jack is that he became an extremely loyal man-and I am a very loyal person myself.

Goodwin is just a foreigner to me at this stage and I think presentation night was somewhat of a shock to him at how much our Jesus ,I mean Jack ,is loved after his 9 year input, no matter how inconsistent.

 

I totally agree Biff. I've never understood the mythology which has developed around that tackle. I saw it on the day and a number of times since on replay, (as recently as about 6 weeks ago).  As well as posters on here, the same story about the effect on him keeps getting thrown up by commentators in the media when reflecting on why Watts hasn't met expectations. 

Even if it had been a brutal, bone jarring tackle, it's pretty cleat that Jack Watts has the character to have easily got over it.

 

1 hour ago, Jack Jack Tappy said:

I just want to say that Jack did not come back to pre season under done, in fact he came back in the same shape as 2016 which was good, he had a great year. His 3 k time trial was his best ever, you can check it.  All his other figures were good too.  He came back with blue hair which was a mistake and put him I all the papers which [censored] off Goody.  He went to Byron on a Tuesday night, Wednesday was a day off, got back Wednesday night. Missed no rehab. He did extra sessions every week.  It's a furphy.  Jack is not like Viney, Jones or Macca, he doesn't live breath football 24/7, he is a normal person like 80 percent of the team but he loves MFC and will be sad to go but he will.  I don't know how many of you would have thought we would dream of trading Jack after round 13 this year

Nope, nope, nope. The Watts bashers will absolutely not have this.

14 minutes ago, deejammin' said:

Ports team next year:

Sam Grey Charlie Dixon Chad Wingard

Robbie Grey Jack Watts Steven Motlop

Jared Polec Trav Boak T Rockcliff

Hamish Hartlett D Howard J Westhoff

Matthew Broadbent T Clurey, J Pittard

Ruck: Paddy Ryder, O Wines, S Powell-Pepper

Int: B Ebert, J Neade, J Hombsch, D Byrne- Jones

That’s a damn good team.

I'd swing it around and name it differently.

FB: DBJ, Hombsch, Jonas
HB: Hartlett  Howard  Broadbent
C: Polec  Rockliff  Westhoff
HF: Motlop  Watts  Boak
FF: Neade  Dixon  Wingard
Foll: Ryder  Wines  R. Gray
Int: SPP Ebert  S Gray  Pittard

Backs: Clurey, Houston, Austin, Bonner
Mids: Atley, Amon, Drew
Forwards: Johnson, Marshall
Ruck: Frampton

Interesting list. Lots of young defenders who will have to play at times and backline seems the weakness.

Midfield and forward they have so much flexibility and should be able to play a really good ball movement style of game plan. The question mark will be if they or will they defend.

On 6 September 2017 at 11:12 AM, PaulRB said:

I thought Goody's postmortem observation that we started to fall away as a team from Round 15 is interesting as it also coincided with Jacks loss of form and him being dropped to the VFL...

How much can a team trust and rely on a player who went missing in one of the most crucial periods for the MFC in the last 5 years?

Why did he go missing? He was injured, he had 2 bulging discs and a hammy

32 minutes ago, deejammin' said:

Ports team next year:

Sam Grey Charlie Dixon Chad Wingard

Robbie Grey Jack Watts Steven Motlop

Jared Polec Trav Boak T Rockcliff

Hamish Hartlett D Howard J Westhoff

Matthew Broadbent T Clurey, J Pittard

Ruck: Paddy Ryder, O Wines, S Powell-Pepper

Int: B Ebert, J Neade, J Hombsch, D Byrne- Jones

That’s a damn good team.

Not a bad team at all,  it makes me wonder  what kind of money their top half dozen are on when they can fit Rockliff and Motlop in there.

 

Edited October 15, 20177 yr by Demon77

3 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I'd swing it around and name it differently.

FB: DBJ, Hombsch, Jonas
HB: Hartlett  Howard  Broadbent
C: Polec  Rockliff  Westhoff
HF: Motlop  Watts  Boak
FF: Neade  Dixon  Wingard
Foll: Ryder  Wines  R. Gray
Int: SPP Ebert  S Gray  Pittard

Backs: Clurey, Houston, Austin, Bonner
Mids: Atley, Amon, Drew
Forwards: Johnson, Marshall
Ruck: Frampton

Interesting list. Lots of young defenders who will have to play at times and backline seems the weakness.

Midfield and forward they have so much flexibility and should be able to play a really good ball movement style of game plan. The question mark will be if they or will they defend.

I agree, they’d be a lot weaker if they had no Jack Watts and had to play Westhoff forward, Clurey and Howard showed a bit this year and Hombsch and Broadbent can be excellent. So many options through the middle.