Farewell Jack Watts

[beelzebub 22,225]

21 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

You keep alluding to "something else" going on and for people to lower their eyes as if you're in the know about something. Either front up and say what you mean or stop spinning conspiracy theories while hiding behind a veil of vagueness.

Good Dr. I know what i know..and there's what im told. There's also what im prepared to deduce and surmise.

Im not prepared to breach confidences nor betray those that might impart.

What i am saying is straight forward. As often the case things are not what they may seem. Football clubs lie. Its the first language of this sport.

The many are being sold a story. One that fits a particular narrative but its validity falls apart upon furtive inspection.

About 75-90% of what i understand to be the case has quite amazingly been spelt out in this very thread, just not by one poster in one post.

As ive suggested before ill suggest again. Forget Jack per se but look to the club, the one spinning this garbage and look at timelines. Look at personnel, look at where elements of the narrative start, stop, or change.

There are others , both here on these very boards as well as just out in footy land who either know many elements, but possibly not the whole picture. 

I don't know the whole picture. Ive a fair idea of the artist, the muse and the gallery.

I dont care whether you believe me. I don't care whether you can or indeed be bothered to look/ think further.

I do care that club's successful.

I'll finish by saying that im abou %99 sure Jack's departure is both predetermined and a part of a course of action, and it just hasn't happened as a result of some 'misunderstandings"

 

[Willmoy1947 3,762]

If we pick up two picks for Jack, we have managed a better deal than Lever on this one.........

[Dr.D 1,771]

2 hours ago, pinkshark said:

Stupid post the above.  I couldn't care if he was no 1 or number 100.  He is amongst our best 10 players.  Bottom line.  And we are giving him away.  None of this is complicated.

Top 10? Hahaha gold! now i've heard it all.

Jones, Viney, Hibberd, Hogan, Oliver, Lewis, Jetta, Gawn, Petracca, Hunt and Garlett. Would love to know your top 10!

[DemonOX 8,529]

4 hours ago, sue said:

But imagine this forum if Watts stayed.  The detailed criticism he'd be subjected to every week would make these 204 pages look like a mere blip.

That’s what has been happening since he has been at our club Sue. 

I have never seen one player under so much scrutiny and it’s absolutely disgusting. 

Also trading jack is a bad enough decision but if we pay part of his wage too then that just shows how desperate and pathetic  the club is to get rid of him. 

This whole saga makes us look like a bunch of amateurs. 

Edited October 15, 2017 by DemonOX

[Kumamoto_Ken 1,531]

17 hours ago, Skuit said:

We can't seem to fully shake that Matt Jones guy from our club.

No jacket and a bow tie...Looks like he should be behind the bar or walking around with a tray of drinks.

 

[thevil1 421]

Where did this rumour about us paying part of Watts salary if traded come from? I can only seem to find it here, has that actually been reported or is it just a run away rumour being perpetuated by a bunch of chicken littles on DL?

[daisycutter 28,459]

2 minutes ago, thevil1 said:

Where did this rumour about us paying part of Watts salary if traded come from? I can only seem to find it here, has that actually been reported or is it just a run away rumour being perpetuated by a bunch of chicken littles on DL?

was reported in the papers....can't remember which one......didn't quote any %

[SFebes 4,692]

I think it's time to remove Watts from the Demonland banner, put our BnF winner up I say.

[thevil1 421]

Just now, daisycutter said:

was reported in the papers....can't remember which one......didn't quote any %

Ok, now I understand why it is being said so much, thanks

[daisycutter 28,459]

3 minutes ago, SFebey said:

I think it's time to remove Watts from the Demonland banner, put our BnF winner up I say.

gotta wait for the fat lady......she's currently gargling

[SFebes 4,692]

1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

gotta wait for the fat lady......she's currently gargling

The fat lady loves it (so my mates tell me).

[Return to Glory 7,682]

4 minutes ago, SFebey said:

I think it's time to remove Watts from the Demonland banner, put our BnF winner up I say.

Great to see you're taking the Pol Pot ground zero approach in wanting to remove all history of Jack Watts from the MFC. Did he nick your gf SFebey? You're overly damning on him and relentlessly so.

[SFebes 4,692]

Just now, Return to Glory said:

Great to see you're taking the Pol Pot ground zero approach in wanting to remove all history of Jack Watts from the MFC. Did he nick your gf SFebey? You're overly damning on him and relentlessly so.

Jesus mate, it was clearly a joke and a bit of fun, as have been most of my posts today. And yes, I cant wait to get rid of him and start being a serious footy club again, top bloke but I'm sick of him being a pee heart. Some of you are too emotional over Jacky boy. I don't have a GF, just the neighbours goat does me.

[Bobby McKenzie 2,169]

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

Hogan

Viney

Petracca

Gawn

Jones

Jetta

Hibberd

Hunt

Tom Mac

Brayshaw

Oliver

Salem

Garlett

Pedo

Tyson

ANB

Lever

 

Ha Ha,   Pedo, ANB, Brayshaw, Tyson, Salem, Petracca( not yet),Hogan ( Has he really arrived yet?) and Tom Mac are not better than Watts at this stage of their development.  You have maintained your strong dislike of Jack.

[sue 8,412]

4 minutes ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

Ha Ha,   Pedo, ANB, Brayshaw, Tyson, Salem, Petracca( not yet),Hogan ( Has he really arrived yet?) and Tom Mac are not better than Watts at this stage of their development.  You have maintained your strong dislike of Jack.

Debating whether Watts is top 10 or 20 or x seems pretty irrelevant to me.  The only question is does he have a place in the full squad.  My view is that based on performance  he does despite his faults - look at the roles he played early in the season gaining lots of B&F votes despite his 'pea-heart' etc..  But there may be sufficient off-field issues that as a mere spectator I am unaware of. 

[jumbo returns 6,484]

42 minutes ago, Kumamoto_Ken said:

No jacket and a bow tie...Looks like he should be behind the bar or walking around with a tray of drinks.

 

He's fresh from a premiership.....

[Dr.D 1,771]

15 minutes ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

Ha Ha,   Pedo, ANB, Brayshaw, Tyson, Salem, Petracca( not yet),Hogan ( Has he really arrived yet?) and Tom Mac are not better than Watts at this stage of their development.  You have maintained your strong dislike of Jack.

what are you smoking. if you ask any other teamsupporters who are they more scared of when they play us do you think its jack watts. for me, i wouldnt even have him in my top 25 because i think his physical work is just so bad that it trumps anything positive that be brings to the table.

pedo who has probably had about 5% of the opportunity of watts has outperformed him already. i agree that hogan has a lot of weaknesses that he needs to work on but he can kick bags of goals which watts never can.

[Older demon 2,166]

Such a sad video posted of a young fan who loves Jack Watts asking him to stay and that he wear number 4. He thinks Jack is the best kick in the team. Jack's reply is that MFC don't value kicking and that the lad may need a new jumper next year, it clearly isn't in jacks hands and he is being pushed. I know at clinics lots of kids wear number 1, 11 and 4 so I can picyure lots of sad kids

[Dr. Gonzo 22,399]

3 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

And that’s why you don’t and should not post. It was about inconsistency being accepted. If we dismissed players for inconsistency, then a lot more players would be traded. 

It was about the way it has been handled. Most agree it is very poor.  Watts has been dismissed and whilst I don’t agree with his latest post, it was probably due to frustration and hard to argue with that. 

I don’t agree with the way MFC have managed departures like Woewodin, Spalding, Green & James McDonald. All loyal until they were discarded like yesterday’s newspaper. 

Every club has these issues when it comes to planning for the future and list management. Just off the top of my head North discarded Harvey and Petrie last year, Hawks Mitchell and Lewis. Happens at every club, so stop using it as excuse to sink the boot in to the club.

[Redleg 37,478]

32 minutes ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

Ha Ha,   Pedo, ANB, Brayshaw, Tyson, Salem, Petracca( not yet),Hogan ( Has he really arrived yet?) and Tom Mac are not better than Watts at this stage of their development.  You have maintained your strong dislike of Jack.

I am actually getting sick of this.

I happen to really like Jack and hoped he would stay.

I would still be happy if he did.

I along with Whispering Jack was at Southport Footy ground some 8 or so years ago, where Jack was playing in a practice match.

The crowd was giving it to Jack as a high draft pick and I was screaming out encouragement to Jack from my position at the interchange area on the fence and was baiting the crowd all game. Every kick or handball that Jack had I turned around to the crowd and baited them about how good he was.

 Jack couldn't help but notice, as I screamed at him every time he came off, that he was killing them and they didn't like it and he was thrilled with the support and came over to us as soon as the game ended and chatted. That was the first of many chats I have had with Jack over the years. He became one of my favourite Demons. On a fan day like Luna Park, I always made a beeline for Jack with my grand daughter to spend a few minutes with him. He has always remembered me and been happy to chat.

I have supported him when other Dees fans have attacked him and wanted him gone over the years.

I still support him.

However I support the MFC more than Jack.

As a result of a decision made by the FD, not me, I have reluctantly accepted that Jack is probably leaving.

I acknowledge there is probably not much I can do about that decision.

I am trying to support the FD of my club and the club.

I think I have been reasonable in my comments towards Jack.

I put up a list of players that the FD would probably value more than Jack, obviously correct since they are not being offered elsewhere and didn't include future players like Weid and made no other comment.

You can disagree with that list if you wish to.

However, I have never shown dislike of Jack.

I will not boo him at his next club and in fact wish him well, unlike number 9 of GWS.

I think you owe me an apology.

PS. I note you are knocking other MFC players on that list. Interesting.

Edited October 15, 2017 by Redleg

[Dr. Gonzo 22,399]

2 hours ago, dieter said:

They tried: nobody was half interested after DDiligentia.

Exactly does noone remember what happened last time Martin was out of contract? Wasn't happy with Richmond's offer, shopped himself around effectively walking out on the club and found the wider footy world didn't see him as being worth as much as he thought. Came back to the Tigers with his tail between his legs.

Of course this story had a happy ending but the comparisons with Watts are fair dinkum insane.

[spirit of norm smith 12,840]

5 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Every club has these issues when it comes to planning for the future and list management. Just off the top of my head North discarded Harvey and Petrie last year, Hawks Mitchell and Lewis. Happens at every club, so stop using it as excuse to sink the boot in to the club.

No boots. Just observations. Think it can be done better.  Not to degrade a player. 

[Dr. Gonzo 22,399]

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Good Dr. I know what i know..and there's what im told. There's also what im prepared to deduce and surmise.

Im not prepared to breach confidences nor betray those that might impart.

What i am saying is straight forward. As often the case things are not what they may seem. Football clubs lie. Its the first language of this sport.

The many are being sold a story. One that fits a particular narrative but its validity falls apart upon furtive inspection.

About 75-90% of what i understand to be the case has quite amazingly been spelt out in this very thread, just not by one poster in one post.

As ive suggested before ill suggest again. Forget Jack per se but look to the club, the one spinning this garbage and look at timelines. Look at personnel, look at where elements of the narrative start, stop, or change.

There are others , both here on these very boards as well as just out in footy land who either know many elements, but possibly not the whole picture. 

I don't know the whole picture. Ive a fair idea of the artist, the muse and the gallery.

I dont care whether you believe me. I don't care whether you can or indeed be bothered to look/ think further.

I do care that club's successful.

I'll finish by saying that im abou %99 sure Jack's departure is both predetermined and a part of a course of action, and it just hasn't happened as a result of some 'misunderstandings"

 

Ok so you don't know anything and will continue slinging mud at the club without actually saying what you mean. I hope you realise that some on here may get sucked in to your BS and will pass it on Chinese whispers style which could have a destabilising effect on the club.

[Kumamoto_Ken 1,531]

38 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

He's fresh from a premiership.....

Congrats to Matt. Who for?

[shorty 233]

End if the day Jack's a floored genius, kicks a lovely goal one minute, drops the easiest of chest marks the next.  But if Jack is as good as we all think he is, they should be lining up to part with an early 2nd rounder at the very least. By all reports he was shopped around at end of 14, if he loses confidence at Port he may well be done in 2yrs anyway.