Andrew Gaff

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2 hours ago, DaveyDee said:

Not anymore AFL have slightly modified compensation picks. 

http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/the-afl-explained/free-agency

I definitely could have missed something but this suggests they should still be looking at a decent pick depending on where they finish.

[DSP 1,488]

Should be a major foucus for us next year. Not gonna happen this season.

[Moonshadow 17,678]

4 hours ago, DaveyDee said:

Not anymore AFL have slightly modified compensation picks. 

May not even be any more compo by this time next year.

The time is nigh for tempting Gaff home

[daisycutter 29,909]

8 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

May not even be any more compo by this time next year.

The time is nigh for tempting Gaff home

there again, afl compo for fa's might be here to stay (but might be different formula)

i doubt they'd just scratch it so there was no compo to former club

[DaveyDee 421]

2 hours ago, rpfc said:

http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/the-afl-explained/free-agency

I definitely could have missed something but this suggests they should still be looking at a decent pick depending on where they finish.

Think thats old info - you can blame the Vickery fiasco last year. AFL felt the clubs were all being under-handed and manipulating the system.  

[DaveyDee 421]

32 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

May not even be any more compo by this time next year.

The time is nigh for tempting Gaff home

100% on AFL agenda to remove all compensation picks. 

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,825]

Any chance we're going to surprise by making a move on Andrew?

I think he becomes a restricted FA next year, so now might be the time for WCE to try to get full value for him if he wants to come home.

Perhaps that's why we hurried the Lever deal through, and are trying to get a decent draft pick for JW.

[McQueen 17,867]

51 minutes ago, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

Any chance we're going to surprise by making a move on Andrew?

I think he becomes a restricted FA next year, so now might be the time for WCE to try to get full value for him if he wants to come home.

Perhaps that's why we hurried the Lever deal through, and are trying to get a decent draft pick for JW.

I caught him hovering around Scarborough beach the other night as families were eating their fish and chips while watching the sunset. Wanted to say hello but he was making some horrible noises and [censored] everywhere.

Pretty sure he'd be at the Saints if the Eagles were to trade him as they'd be looking at a top 10 pick.

However, he'd have to be a very high priority FA if he doesn't extend between now and end of next season and you would think we'd be in with a good chance considering the fish and chips are much nicer in Victoria.

[Salems Lot 2,691]

12 minutes ago, McQueen said:

I caught him hovering around Scarborough beach the other night as families were eating their fish and chips while watching the sunset. Wanted to say hello but he was making some horrible noises and [censored] everywhere.

Pretty sure he'd be at the Saints if the Eagles were to trade him as they'd be looking at a top 10 pick.

However, he'd have to be a very high priority FA if he doesn't extend between now and end of next season and you would think we'd be in with a good chance considering the fish and chips are much nicer in Victoria.

Footballers... ours great they let the ball do the talking. Not many classy ones. 

[faultydet 7,623]

On 06/10/2017 at 1:35 PM, DaveyDee said:

100% on AFL agenda to remove all compensation picks. 

Would love for someone to explain to me why the AFL would be getting rid of compo picks.

Can you imagine how decimated Gold Coasts list will be when its good players make it to free agency?

Bloody horrendous.

[whatwhat say what 23,624]

9 minutes ago, faultydet said:

Would love for someone to explain to me why the AFL would be getting rid of compo picks.

Can you imagine how decimated Gold Coasts list will be when its good players make it to free agency?

Bloody horrendous.

I think we’ll find out next year when Tom Lynch, as a free agent, rejects a better deal with GC17 (plus $1m ‘marketing money’ per season) to go Collingwood

[faultydet 7,623]

Just now, DemonAndrew said:

I think we’ll find out next year when Tom Lynch, as a free agent, rejects a better deal with GC17 (plus $1m ‘marketing money’ per season) to go Collingwood

I just can't get my head around it.

What could possibly be the reason to not compensate clubs for losing their stars? Makes no sense at all to me.

Also makes it much harder for the supposed "basket case" clubs such as the Suns/Lions, and even us of a few years back to remain competitive.

Mind boggling.

[whatwhat say what 23,624]

Free agency without the quid pro quo of players being able to be traded without their say so whilst under contract renders the free agency concept far too one sided 

Edited October 13, 2017 by DemonAndrew

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39 minutes ago, faultydet said:

Would love for someone to explain to me why the AFL would be getting rid of compo picks.

Can you imagine how decimated Gold Coasts list will be when its good players make it to free agency?

Bloody horrendous.

Because some clubs put mate-ship and manipulation ahead of honest and fairness. Remove the picks removes the problem. 

[faultydet 7,623]

Just now, DaveyDee said:

Because some clubs put mate-ship and manipulation ahead of honest and fairness. Remove the picks removes the problem. 

Sorry DaveyDee

Lost me completely.

Please expand for the simple minded.

[DaveyDee 421]

25 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

Free agency without the quid pro quo of players being able to be traded without their say so whilst under contract renders the free agency concept far too one sided 

Contract or no contract you cant send them where they dont want to go. Put yourself in their shoes for one second - now think about what you just said. 

[Lampers 563]

6 minutes ago, DaveyDee said:

Contract or no contract you cant send them where they dont want to go. Put yourself in their shoes for one second - now think about what you just said. 

In US sports is basically the club own the players and can do what they want to better the club's prospects - until the player qualifies and the tables turn.

We are seeing quasi free agency if you are good enough (see Lever who got his cash and club of choice) as well as true free agency.

Clubs are getting their list building strategies compromised by this.

Because it is accepted in the US, the players expect to potentially move at the drop of a hat until they qualify for free agency.

Do we support the club, or the (well compensated) players who can always quit and get a regular job if they really hate the prospect of being traded.

I would prefer genuine power to the clubs so they can execute their strategies with confidence.

[whatwhat say what 23,624]

What Lampers said

If they’re contracted they should be able to be traded anywhere as long as their contract is honoured or bettered

Then after an ascribed period - seven years currently - they are free agents

This quasi system the afl has implemented is a farce

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

Why are we so excited about a flakey outside mid when we have watts alresdy

[faultydet 7,623]

8 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

Why are we so excited about a flakey outside mid when we have watts alresdy

Cos Watts is a flakey half forward, not a mid

Edited October 13, 2017 by faultydet

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

39 minutes ago, faultydet said:

Cos Watts is a flakey half forward, not a mid

It surprises me no one has asked him to build a tank

Maybe that's the problem...Let's be honest the 3rd tall is dead in modern footy (well 2017).

It's all about speed and pressure on the flanks and pockets. Watts doesn't have elite speed but he's not slow, and if he had a tank on a wing.... I would be excited

 

Edited October 13, 2017 by Unleash Hell

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1 hour ago, Lampers said:

I would prefer genuine power to the clubs so they can execute their strategies with confidence.

Most supporters of a club would. 

I'm happy with the player having the rights to play where and for whom they want to play for.

Then you can execute your strategies with confidence if you look after your players and treat them with respect.

[old55 23,847]

1 hour ago, Unleash Hell said:

Why are we so excited about a flakey outside mid when we have watts alresdy

Andrew Gaff - AA, WC Best and Fairest winner, 4th in Brownlow.  Yeah just like Jack Watts who nearly finished 4th once in MFC B&F but just missed out.

Edited October 13, 2017 by Fifty-5

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7 minutes ago, DaveyDee said:

Most supporters of a club would. 

I'm happy with the player having the rights to play where and for whom they want to play for.

Then you can execute your strategies with confidence if you look after your players and treat them with respect.

I'd give draftees 3 or 4 year deals and allow them to be traded at will. If you aren't ready for the draft don't go in it. If you are then be prepared to move around a bit whilst you establish yourself.

Maybe throw in a franchise year for a 5th year for a one off 700k payment. After that players become restricted free agents and can move to their club of choice if another club satisfies their original club with draft compensation equal to contract value.

Then once a player has done 6-8 years they are true free agents open to move at will with the only compensation being end of 3rd round picks for clubs who lose more free agents than they sign. 

The trade period would be replaced by free agency and restricted free agency in October. Out of contract players like Lever (restricted) and Motlop (unrestricted) would be moving frequently.

Actual trades for contracted players would be open all summer.

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23 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

Andrew Gaff - AA, WC Best and Fairest winner, 4th in Brownlow.  Yeah just like Jack Watts who nearly finished 4th once in MFC B&F but just missed out.

I never said they were the same player Fifty 5, All I'm saying is the potential is there.

On that principle we should trade Weid for Josh Kennedy if we just want a better player without developing our own

Edited October 13, 2017 by Unleash Hell