2 hours ago, Deecisive said:

if we got the right offer he would be traded, it would be irresponsible not to consider any trade that benefits the club.

I doubt the club would trade Hogan that would be insane

Unfortunately one of Vince's quality is not humility. I think he'll be boasting his "I'm like a fine wine - I get better with age" line around to Goody again for another year, so I highly doubt he'll be the one to volunteer hanging up the boots.

Frost is the obvious Trade bait. I think he'll get bundled in the Lever deal somehow.

Watts' time to trade was 2015 - I can't see the club trading him one year into a 3 year contract. I'm also of the opinion that his recovery was botched by the Misson & co and was in that limbo bracket of "I'm not 100% fit but I'm not going to call an end to my year; so I'll play hindered and hope it's good enough to still play in the team and play finals"

I somehow wonder if Tmac being mentioned as trade bait has suddenly come about after his disastrous game against the Pies or if it's been sometime coming as people think he's reached his ceiling?

 

 

On 29 August 2017 at 11:30 PM, A F said:

Surely, Vince hangs up the boots? An absolute butcher these days. Not to mention regularly exposed for a lack of pace. He's a liability playing back there and not a smart clearance player in the midfield.

I'd be keeping Stretch and Wagner, while also looking for a trade for Kent.

Lack of agility too.

He no longer has the sidestep to get around oncoming opponents, giving him the space to kick with precision. He's always throwing it onto his boot hurriedly and trying to kick around corners under intense pressure. He doesn't have the physical tools to create space for himself anymore.

On 29/08/2017 at 11:30 PM, A F said:

Surely, Vince hangs up the boots? An absolute butcher these days. Not to mention regularly exposed for a lack of pace. He's a liability playing back there and not a smart clearance player in the midfield.

I'd be keeping Stretch and Wagner, while also looking for a trade for Kent.

And you didn't mention Bernie's propensity to miss games through carelessness and suspension, which doesn't help the team one bit. 

On 8/28/2017 at 9:59 PM, Ethan Tremblay said:

Delist them all then make them fight to the death for a spot back on the list. It's the only way, I've thought long and hard about this. 

Just don't make the ones we want to keep favorites, you know what happens then.

On 29/08/2017 at 5:39 PM, beelzebub said:

There were times you could see him struggling with running..I doubt it was for the want of going. I think he started to come good only in the last two games tttt

If he was injured dont play him

They played him i presume the FD assessed him as fit to play

The fact that he didnt perform is down to Jack

No excuses 

T 

Kent for Taberner plus a swap of picks. Win win 

19 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Kent for Taberner plus a swap of picks. Win win 

Why would Freo, a team that is not necessarily blessed with tall forward talent, give up one of them for Dean Kent?  Makes little sense.

2 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Why would Freo, a team that is not necessarily blessed with tall forward talent, give up one of them for Dean Kent?  Makes little sense.

Because for the past 3 years under Lyon, they don't rate the guy and he only got another go as a last resort 3 weeks ago.

McCarthy and Kersten have been their main men up forward this season. So a late second round pick should be more than enough.

And go back to my original discussion, it is WC that needs pacey small forwards like Kent desperately and will give up that sort of pick for him.

13 minutes ago, Deespicable said:

Because for the past 3 years under Lyon, they don't rate the guy and he only got another go as a last resort 3 weeks ago.

McCarthy and Kersten have been their main men up forward this season. So a late second round pick should be more than enough.

And go back to my original discussion, it is WC that needs pacey small forwards like Kent desperately and will give up that sort of pick for him.

So why do we want Taberner?  They don't rate him, and they've been a side that have chased every key forward under the sun for years.  So if he can't get a run, why would he get one with us?

Makes no sense to me.

If we want to recruit players, we want them to be best 22.  We need to improve our side, not just simply add to our depth.  That will happen when we recruit good players and we push others out.

Taberner?

Thats setting the bar high.

4 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Kent for Taberner plus a swap of picks. Win win 

Yep, win win.

We swap our VFL level player for their WAFL level player...

On 8/30/2017 at 7:25 AM, Demons1858 said:

I hear Optimism won't be around next season

Yes I will!

Hell no, I won't go. I refuse to be de-listed. 

2 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

 

If we want to recruit players, we want them to be best 22.  We need to improve our side, not just simply add to our depth.  That will happen when we recruit good players and we push others out.

That should be the sole mantra for trades, unless they are seen as a developing young player.

On ‎8‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 7:25 AM, Demons1858 said:

I hear Optimism won't be around next season

However, Bitterness will be offered a new contract.

2 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

So why do we want Taberner?  They don't rate him, and they've been a side that have chased every key forward under the sun for years.  So if he can't get a run, why would he get one with us?

Makes no sense to me.

If we want to recruit players, we want them to be best 22.  We need to improve our side, not just simply add to our depth.  That will happen when we recruit good players and we push others out.

Totally agree

5 minutes ago, Redleg said:

That should be the sole mantra for trades, unless they are seen as a developing young player.

Yep, especially with where we are at as a club now.  A few years back you might look at it as support for players coming through, but we need to recruit players who will help turn us into a premiership threat, not have us treading more water.

My guess is that the lever deal will get done and frosty will be part of that. Trenners will go, as much as i hate to say it. Obviously H is already gone. Spencil will go for opportunity. I'm guessing that Hulett and white may also get delisted. Personally I'd like to see Wagner delisted too but i feel like there is still done live for him at the club. 

That frees up enough slots for the draft and i don't think we need to do more than that. Kent, jkh and vandenberg will be potential trade plays but i think we would be okay to keep them too. 

I don't think this trade period will be as massive as people are thinking. 

If there's one thing for  sure about the silly season , it'll be that trade/signing that has most uttering " well, didn't see that one coming !!"

4 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

If there's one thing for  sure about the silly season , it'll be that trade/signing that has most uttering " well, didn't see that one coming !!"

Thats the joy of it... love it now that we are somewhere on the spectrum of a destination club... jeez we would have been more if we got a finals berth...

1 hour ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

However, Bitterness will be offered a new contract.

I reckon we throw the sink at crippling expectations . Im sure if we bring him in then everything will take care of itself. 

3 hours ago, Deespicable said:

And go back to my original discussion, it is WC that needs pacey small forwards like Kent desperately and will give up that sort of pick for him.

Kent for Lewis Jetta? (Or Motlop FA)  I don't think we're getting pick 29 or Taberner for a current VFL playing forward, maybe only a WAFL player. So LJ: We get some outside run and hopefully a guy who [inspired by playing with his cousin] develops some consistent form. His upside is exactly what we are lacking. I'm not sure who else we could possibly get. We should've recruited Eric McKenzie last year (Or not traded Dunn)

 

Edited August 31, 20178 yr by Wrecked Owl Dees Function

Delist: Lumumba, Trengove, Hulett, Kennedy, White (r) - that's the easy ones.

Delist:
Spencer - not an AFL level player, often injured. Time to cut the cord and find a mature back up. If not, Tom McDonald can back up
Garland - similar to Spencer he's isn't up to AFL any more, find a way to pay him out if we can, keep him as a coach.

Kent I wouldn't mind trying to fix if there's not a trade deal for him but I wouldn't play him until he's fit enough to play wing, even if that takes all year.
Hogan I wouldn't even enter trade negotiations unless he's really unhappy or a team is selling the farm
Vince I'd keep on a modest deal but play mostly at Casey or bring in to tag.
Frost I'd rather keep but if he's part of the Lever deal and we need the salary cap space then I can handle him going, he hasn't shown enough to lock in on a long term deal if someone else offers him one.

Important to find a mature ruck and key defender if the draft/trade/free agency. I can see why we want Jackson Trengove, he can fill both spots.

Tim Smith and Keilty are going to be kept as mature age rookies. As is Maynard. So we should add a bit more depth but really we can hand over to Jason Taylor to take a lot of picks on kids even if it's a shallow draft. Maybe 3 picks in the main draft and 3 picks in the rookie draft and go with extra rookies. 

IMO supporters who claim Vince and/or Wagner should be delisted have no cred. Wagner is sponsored by Demonland FCS! Vince is a recent B&F who brings much more to the team than the occasional turnover!!!

I don't have time to list the data... so I guess that makes me a [censored] with an opinion!

Justin Plapp: "Josh Wagner: Josh had 26 disposals, including 12 contested possessions, three tackles and four rebound 50s. After being left out of the AFL team, I thought he was pretty significant in the first half. He was able to get his hands on the ball and link-up. As the game went on, we had to shift him to half-back, where he’s more comfortable. But his game, on a tough night, was solid."

Haters... show me the data where someone else who plays this role did better last weekend... for any team!