Let's get Margaret and David to award him stars.

Yep, faked it. Even had a fake 'vampires blood' capsule already in his mouth just in case someone elbowed him in the chin.

FFS...can the media get any lower?

21 minutes ago, willmoy said:

 The Umpire was quite virulent, from about EIGHT feet away, in his IMMEDIATE decision to report this bloke, i suppose he's blind as well!!!!

This ∆∆∆∆

 

59 minutes ago, DaveyJones'sLocker said:

from memory pertracca was asking the umpire for a free kick so that puts a hole in your argument.

No hole at all, that is just silly.  Just because Petracca tries something ridiculous on, doesn't affect the argument.  Anyway if getting such a free were possible, where would the umpire award the free kick from?  

Edited June 25, 20178 yr by sue

i couldn't gaf whether he staged the fall or not. he wasn't the one dishing out an elbow to the jaw to an unsuspecting opponent

I didn't get to watch the game live as my band was playing, but when I got home my son showed me video of the TMac goal and that Oliver incident. I had no context to work from and didn't realise it was after the siren had sounded (I had had a few beers), but the slight gap from when contact was made and when Oliver went down, did have me thinking it was a dive. On viewing my Foxtel recording replay of the game this morning however, it did look like is happened in one motion, albeit slow motion. Like another poster, I can't help thinking that if it had been a West Coast player (or a Selwood perhaps) who had copped the hit, there would be plenty here crying "dive".

2 minutes ago, hardtack said:

Like another poster, I can't help thinking that if it had been a West Coast player (or a Selwood perhaps) who had copped the hit, there would be plenty here crying "dive".

Don't see the relevance of that statement to the question of 'did he or didn't he'.  What one-eyed supporters are liable to cry doesn't affect the facts.  

I don't know if there was enough contact to drop him, but the "delayed reaction" people are talking about is no delayed reaction. I watch all kinds of combat sports, and that is what it looks like when you get clipped. 

 

Damien Barrett defending Oliver on the Sunday footy show. How the world has turned. 

1 hour ago, Nasher said:

 I think if you're a Melbourne supporter giving him stick over it, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Absolutely agree with you Nasher. I love this kid and any Dees supporter that questions him over this is just wrong. 

Just think back to when he got up last year after Cyril shirt fronted him. Plenty of others would have been stretchered off.  

The fact that when he got up he went after Schofield says it all.  

Oliver is one of the main reasons we are where we are.

4 minutes ago, sue said:

Don't see the relevance of that statement to the question of 'did he or didn't he'.  What one-eyed supporters are liable to cry doesn't affect the facts.  

It affects how we formulate the facts, and considering the hit didn't look particularly solid, those "facts" would be based on that. In saying that, I'm not condoning what the West Coast player did.

Edited June 25, 20178 yr by hardtack

7 minutes ago, hardtack said:

It affects how we formulate the facts, and considering the hit didn't look particularly solid, those "facts" would be based on that. In saying that, I'm not condoning what the West Coast player did.

Yes - we give our own player the benefit of the doubt, and don't give the opposition player the benefit of the doubt.  So what? Bias in footy is hardly a new thing - it doesn't make the position of those defending Oliver wrong, though.

8 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Yes - we give our own player the benefit of the doubt, and don't give the opposition player the benefit of the doubt.  So what? Bias in footy is hardly a new thing - it doesn't make the position of those defending Oliver wrong, though.

Precisely.  Just because one-eyed supporters are often wrong cannot be used to argue they are wrong in a specific case.   Judge each incident on the facts, not what some hypothetical person might say.

25 minutes ago, Deestroy All said:

I don't know if there was enough contact to drop him, but the "delayed reaction" people are talking about is no delayed reaction. I watch all kinds of combat sports, and that is what it looks like when you get clipped. 

 

Damien Barrett defending Oliver on the Sunday footy show. How the world has turned. 

Interesting, Steveo made light of the issue on 7, while Fevola disagreed with him. Went on to say Oliver will get looked at for staging.

On 3AW now - Filthy Little Land Rat Tony Shaw still suggesting Oliver should be fined. Weird. Exterminate.

Edited June 25, 20178 yr by Jara

Moloney got three or four for about the same or less on Bartel, while the game was on.

#consistency 

#dreaming

Edited June 25, 20178 yr by Kiss of Death
Not Selwood, going senile

1 hour ago, jacey said:

he went down easy. 

Love clarence but he would want his time over. 

No biggie. 

You can't possibly know that he went down easy. You are being misled by a camera angle. The ump thought there was enough there to warrant a report. 

This is the sort of act (elbow to the head)that the AFL are saying need to be removed from the game.

Clarries reaction was delayed and he stated that is was because of the shock.

Thats all that's needed.

if he is penalised and the perpetrator gets off the club really needs to appeal

However as Clarrie must be in the mix as Brownlow winner I reckon the AFL will ensure he stays clear. He is now a known player and perhaps why he was targeted. 

Await with interest

2 hours ago, btdemon said:

Media tryhards attempting to paint Clarry as a stager really p!ss me off. He wasn't looking, wasn't expecting it and don't tell me he would have the presence of ind to instantly stage something he didn't see coming. While not a massive hit, it obviously connected with his jaw and surprised him. Suggesting he is overplaying it are a slight on his character and we know that to be very tough and combative. Many questioned the veracity of the punch that knocked out Sonny Liston in the first round of the Ali vs Liston rematch. Liston didn't take a dive! He was wobbling all over the place. I'm not saying that Clarry was badly hurt at all but it obviously caught unaware and to suggest he staged is BS.

 

I was really [censored] off with Darcy saying there was no force so Oliver dived. Schofield used his elbow he should be rubbed out and he should clip Darcy with his elbow on the jaw & so that pratt knows how it feels.

 

 

 

 

You know that you're in Perth on a Saturday night when you cop an elbow to the head and don't see it coming. 

2 hours ago, willmoy said:

I think it's actually, at that time, an assault, whether it barely touched (drew blood?) or not....

Assault was my first thought. Hopefully the club sends through a "please explain" to the AFL. If it is assault we need to send a strong message to the AFL to ensure Oliver isn't assaulted again. He is still a young kid.

9 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

Assault was my first thought. Hopefully the club sends through a "please explain" to the AFL. If it is assault we need to send a strong message to the AFL to ensure Oliver isn't assaulted again. He is still a young kid.

Could silence the patrician element....

He got hit, so it's not staging. It looks delayed and not that forceful which I think is the issue - but it's semantics as there was definitely contact.

What I absolutely love about this is that there are 2 players at Melbourne whose toughness I'd never want to question. Viney and Oliver.

Im fully expecting Clarry to be insanely fired up next week. That's when he does his best work.

Clearly made contact and clearly stunned him. Watch the replay and focus on the back of Olivers head and his hair at the time of the elbow. His entire head jolts

Edited June 25, 20178 yr by JTR

Is it just me or when I try to view the video on the AFL site titled "Schofield reporting for clocking Clay"; I am taken to a differnt video titled "Dazzling dash from the demons"???.... On another note, I made it to my first Melbourne game in about 15 years last night - so far of the two Melbourne/West Coast games I've attended we have a 100% win record

23 minutes ago, JTR said:

Clearly made contact and clearly stunned him. Watch the replay and focus on the back of Olivers head and his hair at the time of the elbow. His entire head jolts

Fantastic, isn't it, how the media focus diverts from a WCE player who elbows an opponent to the jaw, not in play, very bad look for the game (something that the AFL go on and on about)  to the victim's reaction.

So bloody typical of the media, and the AFL.