POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 2

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

1 minute ago, Wiseblood said:

It was infuriating at times, but the Blues wanted to fill our forward 50 with as many players as possible.  It was always going to happen.

Once we stopped messing around and moved the ball quickly we kicked 6 goals in the last.  It just took us 3 quarters to get it right.

We were able to move the ball quickly because we had more options forward of the ball to move it quickly to.

Why did we have players forward of the ball? Because we didn't have two loose players in defence and instead had more even numbers in our own forward line.

 

1 minute ago, Axis of Bob said:

Brayshaw vs Gawn

Read the context.

Gawn doesn't get a lot of the ball, statistically he is very similar to Brayshaw at the moment, that is all.

There was no comparison to style of play or anything else, just the numbers.

Please.

[dino rover 714]

I was there early and before the main warm up session brayshaw trac and hogan were practising shots on goal.

Normally good but maybe an indication they thought it would be a goal feeding frenzy?

I was disappointed with all 3 on Sunday - traks long delays to kick the ball when he occasionally got a kick were inexplicable.  Particularly when hogan was in a one on one situation

Edited April 3, 2017 by dino rover
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[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, Clint Bizkit said:

We were able to move the ball quickly because we had more options forward of the ball to move it quickly to.

Why did we have players forward of the ball? Because we didn't have two loose players in defence and instead had more even numbers in our own forward line.

 

Please.

True, but it still allowed us to move the ball quickly.  When we moved it quickly during other parts of the game we were still able to score, but we also took too long or turned it over during other stages of the game.  We had to adapt and, thankfully, we adapted in time.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

2 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

True, but it still allowed us to move the ball quickly.  When we moved it quickly during other parts of the game we were still able to score, but we also took too long or turned it over during other stages of the game.  We had to adapt and, thankfully, we adapted in time.

No doubt, but I have (for about ten years now on this forum) maintained that if you always have options (preferable not outnumbered) forward of the ball, the ability of the player with the ball to move it on quickly becomes much easier.

This also ties into what was saying about getting back behind the mark quicker. If a player can play-on straight away that's great and should be the first option, but if they can't they then need to push back behind the mark much quicker so that they can then in turn kick from the mark without pressure quicker.

 

 

[At the break of Gawn 4,460]

10 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

Nathan Jones has improved, he has more time and space and his disposal is excellent.  Maybe it's because we have more insiders and therefore he's able to get outside a bit more and maybe it's because he's worked hard like he always does.  I really like to see the ball in his hands now, that wasn't always the case.

Jack Watts' dropped marks were very frustrating but glass half-full is he is getting to the front in the contest and providing an option going forward through heavy congestion.  If he holds those marks, with his disposal on the other side, he's very damaging.  I think he's working very hard on his game.

I reckon he's not putting his dukes out to mark must have something to do with his injured hand. Never been a player to regularly go for the chest marks. Much easier to mark with your arms outstretched.

[mauriesy 7,298]

9 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Wow just read we were the youngest team in the comp on the weekend, and still have the youngest list in the AFL.  Is this accurate?

Either way we are still bloody young and this is another important win.  Like every win we will have this season.

Here's a full breakdown of all the teams in a lot of key stats.

In some, there's not a lot of difference between teams, and they are skewed by a small number of players. For example, Melbourne has 58 games of finals experience, but 23 of them belong to Jordan Lewis. Without him we'd down on the bottom with Brisbane.

Melbourne is down towards the bottom of the list for average age, average games, average goals, average finals and players with more than 100 games. It points towards another year or two of development to get into premiership contention, provided there's enough skill on the list.

[old dee 23,792]

9 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

No doubt, but I have (for about ten years now on this forum) maintained that if you always have options (preferable not outnumbered) forward of the ball, the ability of the player with the ball to move it on quickly becomes much easier.

This also ties into what was saying about getting back behind the mark quicker. If a player can play-on straight away that's great and should be the first option, but if they can't they then need to push back behind the mark much quicker so that they can then in turn kick from the mark without pressure quicker.

 

 

Good morning Clint where you happy with the attendance yesterday?

[rpfc 28,441]

45 minutes ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

On a lighter note: Did anyone else see Hogans "celebration" after Weiderman's goal in the last? nearly knocked Weids clean over, fair to say he was a bit frustrated, given he didnt get any good delivery all day it was probably waranted frustration.

Yeah, he went straight from Weids to his bloke to give him some curry.

The guys have bought into the gameplan of overlap from behind the ball but don't expect Hogan to like it too much, as a CHF I hate it when we set up from stoppages with 4 forwards.

[Gator 17,361]

20 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Wow just read we were the youngest team in the comp on the weekend, and still have the youngest list in the AFL.  Is this accurate?

Either way we are still bloody young and this is another important win.  Like every win we will have this season.

We're still young and inexperienced, but our list isn't the youngest or least experienced.

Game day stats change weekly and for round 2 we were the youngest and second least experienced behind only Gold Coast.

Draft Guru is a good site for the breakdowns.

https://www.draftguru.com.au/

[Redleg 40,926]

17 hours ago, Nasher said:

Also, Maxy hexed Clarrie with his 360 interview.  Promised another 35 possession game - finished the game with 34.

Actually 35.

	K     H	D	M
1Dom Tyson	17	15	32	12
2Clayton Oliver	11	24	35	7

Edited April 3, 2017 by Redleg

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

1 minute ago, old dee said:

Good morning Clint where you happy with the attendance yesterday?

Very.

Second highest in the AFL, not bad for a team with less than 40,000 members, a fraction of the number of supporters that Collingwood and Richmond have and playing late on a Sunday afternoon.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,861]

1 minute ago, Redleg said:

Actually 35.

Plus 9 tackles. Wow wee. 

[old dee 23,792]

Just now, Clint Bizkit said:

Very.

Second highest in the AFL, not bad for a team with less than 40,000 members, a fraction of the number of supporters that Collingwood and Richmond have and playing late on a Sunday afternoon.

Is it my imagination or did the crowd look three quarters Dees supporters

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

Just now, old dee said:

Is it my imagination or did the crowd look three quarters Dees supporters

Thereabouts.

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,294]

5 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Very.

Second highest in the AFL, not bad for a team with less than 40,000 members, a fraction of the number of supporters that Collingwood and Richmond have and playing late on a Sunday afternoon.

It is the most packed I have seen the MCC for 10 years other than QB. Sounded like a fair few Bluebaggers in there too but we clearly outnumbered them around the ground

[rpfc 28,441]

1 minute ago, Hell Bent said:

It is the most packed I have seen the MCC for 10 years other than QB. Sounded like a fair few Bluebaggers in there too but we clearly outnumbered them around the ground

Too many bluebaggers for my liking.

I hate it when people don't apologise for their existence...

[old dee 23,792]

All summer I heard about how great a kick Lewis is and always hits his mark.

After two rounds he appears somewhat less than the hype.

Is it just me?

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,294]

1 minute ago, old dee said:

All summer I heard about how great a kick Lewis is and always hits his mark.

After two rounds he appears somewhat less than the hype.

Is it just me?

Yeah he`s made the odd blue OD, maybe he is still adjusting to our gameplan and our spread is a lot slower and not as wide as what he had for the last decade! He is very slow though, might still be hope for Trengove as I reckon he`d have him covered for speed sadly!

[Redleg 40,926]

6 minutes ago, old dee said:

All summer I heard about how great a kick Lewis is and always hits his mark.

After two rounds he appears somewhat less than the hype.

Is it just me?

No, he does have some moments.

[old dee 23,792]

1 minute ago, Hell Bent said:

Yeah he`s made the odd blue OD, maybe he is still adjusting to our gameplan and our spread is a lot slower and not as wide as what he had for the last decade! He is very slow though, might still be hope for Trengove as I reckon he`d have him covered for speed sadly!

Yes I wonder about that three year contract.

By 2019 he will not be any faster.

[Redleg 40,926]

7 minutes ago, old dee said:

Yes I wonder about that three year contract.

By 2019 he will not be any faster.

Might be an assistant coach then.

[old dee 23,792]

2 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Might be an assistant coach then.

I find it hard to see him as part of the best 30 by then so that maybe one to ease the embarrassment.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

I can live with Lewis turning it over because it is the exception rather than the rule.

Plus he has runs on the board and provides a lot more this team than just his kicking. 

Edited April 3, 2017 by Clint Bizkit

[John Crow Batty 8,864]

58 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Wow just read we were the youngest team in the comp on the weekend, and still have the youngest list in the AFL.  Is this accurate?

Either way we are still bloody young and this is another important win.  Like every win we will have this season.

I just hope that tired weak  excuse is retired for good when we may not play at our optimal best. Sick of hearing it every season since 2009.

[old dee 23,792]

7 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

I can live with Lewis turning it over because it is the exception, rather than the rule.

Plus he has runs on the board and provides a lot more this team than just his kicking. 

I don't disagree with that Clint but his kicking is not the flawless quality that was talked about pre season.

Edited April 3, 2017 by old dee