JONATHAN BROWN’S TOP 10 FORWARDS AS OF ROUND 1, 2017

• 1. Tom Lynch (Gold Coast Suns)
• 2. Lance Franklin (Sydney Swans)
• 3. Josh Kennedy (West Coast Eagles)
• 4. Eddie Betts (Adelaide)
• 5. Cyril Rioli (Hawthorn)
• 6. Taylor Walker (Adelaide)
• 7. Toby Greene (GWS Giants)
• 8. Jarryd Roughead (Hawthorn)
• 9. Tom Hawkins (Geelong)
• 10. Jack Riewoldt (Richmond)

You haven't misread it, there is no Jesse!

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/jonathan-brown-nominates-his-top-10-afl-forwards-heading-into-2017-season-with-some-notable-exclusions/news-story/a3231c9890b044ea022b5100fcbd1350

I think the top 4 are about right and I would put Greene a few spots higher than 7.  But to include Roughead who plays upfield and hasn't played for a year, and include Hawkins and Riewoldt who had ordinary seasons for a couple of years is stretching it.

On 2015 and 2016 form Jesse should be in the bottom half of that list.  I look forward to Brown 'eating his words' when Jesse has a huge 2017season. 

LH why are you surprised? All of Melbourne's list is under-rated except for Max Gawn. I am happiest that way!

Well jesse - what are going to do about it?

On actual output to date Hogan shouldn't be on that list yet. Even in a down Year last year Hawkins kicked nearly ten more goals. Roughead is a jet and deserves to be there assuming he is fit to play. Riewoldt is a former Coleman medallist who also kicked more goals than Jesse last year in a dud team.

Some other seriously good forwards like Jack Gunston don't make the list either.

I think Jesse will move into the top five on that list before long but I like that our players are starting to be judged on output rather than potential.

jesse is better than other emerging forwards of the same age - e.g. daniher, moore, schache, etc. - but clearly is not at the same level as others as yet.

he's tracking beautifully tho. tom lynch (gc17 version) is good, but #1? no fear.

The same Jonathon brown who said he's worth something like $15m over 10 years 

surprising as he's normally a big wrap for hoges, the distinction in the list might be current as opposed to future potential 

no Jeremy Cameron either

I would have both him and Hogan ahead of that soft clown Jack Riewoldt.

Looks fair to me. Amazing Toby Greene is so good given he can only kick 35m. Would love to see a longest kick comp between him and Scully.

If it was a list of forwards you would draft now in order now Hogan would be in the top few.

 

40 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Looks fair to me. Amazing Toby Greene is so good given he can only kick 35m. Would love to see a longest kick comp between him and Scully.

If it was a list of forwards you would draft now in order now Hogan would be in the top few.

 

True but I would have Tom Lynch at the top of both my draft now and current best lists

34 minutes ago, fndee said:

True but I would have Tom Lynch at the top of both my draft now and current best lists

I'd have a few ahead of Hogan but he would feature.

How on earth does Hawkins get his name on that list. The most overated forward in the game.

I don't think it's an outrageous list tbh. You can't fit everyone in and they are all senior players in the comp bar Lynch who is a star and Greene who is AA. If for example he had included Daniher and not Hogan then it'd be an eyebrow raiser.

What does it really matter anyway? Brown was the one championing Hogan to be paid over $1m a year. He rates him very highly.

5 minutes ago, P-man said:

I don't think it's an outrageous list tbh. You can't fit everyone in and they are all senior players in the comp bar Lynch who is a star and Greene who is AA. If for example he had included Daniher and not Hogan then it'd be an eyebrow raiser.

What does it really matter anyway? Brown was the one championing Hogan to be paid over $1m a year. He rates him very highly.

Spot on, I'm more surprised anyone here actually thinks Hogan is in the top 10. He has played 2 promosing years but lets see him crack the 50 goal mark before we even consider putting him along side these guys.

Taylor Walker is more over rated than pic-nics.

It's an interesting one, Betts Rioli and Greene obviously aren't a like-for-like rating to Hogan, and all three are surely top-10 forwards.

Franklin, Kennedy and Lynch were obviously the benchmark for tall forwards in 2016.

I would hope that Hogan would solidly push into that top 10 this year, and I expect he'll be the best of a good crop of young key forwards coming through.

What would make me happier would be to see Hogan become the Demons' first career-long consistent goalkicker. Even our very best have been up and down for various reasons.

David Neitz - a 5-year run earning 323 goals from 2002-2006 is the best effort of the AFL era.

Indeed, the best effort since Norm Smith, who bagged 354 from 1937 to 1941.

 

That's right, Jesse Hogan offers Melbourne something the club didn't even have during 'the' glory days, you have to go all the way back to the 'other' glory days!

That'd be enough for me.

 

Would be good to debate the best young forwards coming through.

Jesse would be top of the list. Daniher can't kick and McCartin hasn't developed yet. Schache still has promise but is still unknown

Define 'young' - is it five seasons and under, or three, or less than 50 games, or 100?

Hogan would be definite top five under any of that criteria you'd think.

Who really cares about Brown's opinion anyway?    

It will make no difference to how we perform.    But if Jesse does care about the opinion, hopefully it will fire him up to prove JB wrong.

10 hours ago, DemonAndrew said:

Define 'young' - is it five seasons and under, or three, or less than 50 games, or 100?

Hogan would be definite top five under any of that criteria you'd think.

Upto 3 years on the list

1. Hogan

2. Watts

3. Garlett 

4. Weideman 

5. Petracca

6. Kent

7. Pedersen

8. Hannan's / Hulett / Tim Smith 

9. JKH / Vanders

10. Gawn / Spencer

(These are the only ten that we need worry about this year!) ?GO DEES! ?

Unbelievable. Tomahawk is a terrible, Vickery, Tom Boyd like footballer. All three aren't even as good as Jesse is now. But because Tomahawk kicked a few goals in a final or two Brownie feels he owes him a mention. I bet opposition teams, coaches and fans would be pleased to see Hawkins against them... whereas Jesse I think makes you a bit concerned on what to do with matchups. I think in years to come it'll be Lynch and Hogan duking it out, with pies fans confused why Moore isn't mentioned with them... Next rung down a whole bunch of Daniher, Cameron types.

TBH though I think even Jesse and Lynch will, before too long, be overshadowed somewhat by the unbelievable small forwards coming through. Heeney type ones, and any one of about 6 GWS players.

Saints Nic isn't really a forward anymore. More of a roving wingman.

What would your ultimate forward-line look like? Jesse doesn't even get close to a look in.

  Betts    Cameron      Rioli

Franklin  Kennedy   Roughead

Too tall?

 

On 3/21/2017 at 11:13 AM, Petraccattack said:

no Jeremy Cameron either

I would have both him and Hogan ahead of that soft clown Jack Riewoldt.

2010 - 78 goals, 2011 - 62 goals, 2012 - 65 goals, 2013 - 58 goals, 2014 - 61 goals, 2015 - 54 goals, 2016 - 48 goals. 

carry on...

On 22/03/2017 at 0:50 AM, Demons1858 said:

Would be good to debate the best young forwards coming through.

Jesse would be top of the list. Daniher can't kick and McCartin hasn't developed yet. Schache still has promise but is still unknown

If Daniher misses out because he "can't kick" I'm afraid Hogan might have to miss for the same reason. Neither Daniher or Hogan are reliable kicks for goal but both get the ball often enough that they can still make this list sooner rather than later. But not yet.