On 15/08/2016 at 03:40, bingers said:

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It's great that Oscar has started playing well, thanks to all the advice from Demonland to how hw should go about it.  A bit like Jack Watts really.

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Potting Oscar after 2 or 3 games was just ridiculous. Reserve judgment for a couple of seasons (and preseasons).

I love Jacky, but it has to said that he really only came good this year (his eighth season). 

Very smarmy unneccesary comment 55

Watts took 8 years to become a reliable performer. I hope for all our sakes that he is nothing like Jack Watts because we wouldn't want to wait 8 years before he becomes a reliable defender.

  On 15/08/2016 at 03:46, jnrmac said:

Very smarmy unneccesary comment 55

Watts took 8 years to become a reliable performer. I hope for all our sakes that he is nothing like Jack Watts because we wouldn't want to wait 8 years before he becomes a reliable defender.

Pot, kettle, black.

  On 15/08/2016 at 03:46, jnrmac said:

Very smarmy unneccesary comment 55

You're very welcome!

The point is that unlike most players on the list who have had to show their wares at Casey Oscar virtually came straight into the team.

In his last couple of games he has probably played to the level that Dunn has shown although Oscar has arguably cost us a couple of games in the process.

Why they rushed him & also persisted with Frost up forward still has me scratching my head.

 

He's had fantastic month or so. Did an absolutely cracking job last night with his older brother. I'll admit that I was in the majority who wanted him out of the team so he could build on his craft in the VFL. He's coming along beautifully at the moment.

Very important development year for Oscar. 

  On 15/08/2016 at 04:28, Cranky Franky said:

The point is that unlike most players on the list who have had to show their wares at Casey Oscar virtually came straight into the team.

In his last couple of games he has probably played to the level that Dunn has shown although Oscar has arguably cost us a couple of games in the process.

Why they rushed him & also persisted with Frost up forward still has me scratching my head.

I doubt Oscar would have developed so much if he played most of the year at Casey. 

With Frost, I believe the club had little choice - we had no available forwards.  Also, it probably helped Frost's game as defender by playing as a forward.  Not the first time it has happened for a defender to learn forward running patterns, body positioning etc.  Again, Frost may not be as good as he now is without the forward experience.

Its no longer realistic to single out defenders one way or the other as it is now a defensive unit not 6 individual players and synergy happens where the result is greater than sum of its parts. The back 6 had to grow and develop together and that has happened.

We will never know but I believe it is most unlikely we would have got to this point if Oscar and Frost didn't have the experiences of this season.

Serious question...... With Frost and OMAC improving quickly and Tommy boy re-signing- Are we all fairly comfortable to leave Hurley alone? How does everyone feel about these 3 being core defenders for the next 5 plus years?

  On 15/08/2016 at 04:50, SPC said:

Serious question...... With Frost and OMAC improving quickly and Tommy boy re-signing- Are we all fairly comfortable to leave Hurley alone? How does everyone feel about these 3 being core defenders for the next 5 plus years?

can never have enough a graders. 

  On 15/08/2016 at 04:50, SPC said:

Serious question...... With Frost and OMAC improving quickly and Tommy boy re-signing- Are we all fairly comfortable to leave Hurley alone? How does everyone feel about these 3 being core defenders for the next 5 plus years?

I am. Don't think we need or want him, considering the probable cost.
If Essendon are keen to send to us for Terlich, then I wouldn't turn him away, but our trade currency needs to be used to target an upgrade to our backup ruck stocks, and some serious pace to add to what Hunt brings.

  On 15/08/2016 at 04:50, SPC said:

Serious question...... With Frost and OMAC improving quickly and Tommy boy re-signing- Are we all fairly comfortable to leave Hurley alone? How does everyone feel about these 3 being core defenders for the next 5 plus years?

Hibbert would meet our needs better ATM, some run and very good disposal out of HB. With Milkshake and Salem coming in next year, we are going to have terrific competition for spots in our back six. A fit Salem and Hunt may move into the midfield.

Tough to pick 6 from TMac, OMac, Frost, Jetta, Hunt, Milkshake, Wagner, Salem and maybe Hibbert. Depth is Lumumba, Garland and Harmes. Gone are Dunn, Terls and Grimes.

  On 15/08/2016 at 04:50, SPC said:

Serious question...... With Frost and OMAC improving quickly and Tommy boy re-signing- Are we all fairly comfortable to leave Hurley alone? How does everyone feel about these 3 being core defenders for the next 5 plus years?

Its all a question of balance.  Balancing the numbers against the needs.

  On 15/08/2016 at 02:53, daisycutter said:

close, but no cigar

 

The curvature in space is caused by the gravity well created by the blackhole. We cannot see a black hole, we can only infer its existence by the effect the well has on light as it passes beyond the event horizon.

BTW I have a degree in Nuclear Physics, this sort of stuff has always fascinated me.

  On 15/08/2016 at 04:50, SPC said:

Serious question...... With Frost and OMAC improving quickly and Tommy boy re-signing- Are we all fairly comfortable to leave Hurley alone? How does everyone feel about these 3 being core defenders for the next 5 plus years?

Despite his improvement in the past couple of weeks, I still think O Mac is a long way short of being a reliable KPB, if we see ourselves as being a team capable of winning a final next year. He's still very raw.

The mistakes that he makes are different to those of Frost and T Mac. They get undone when they try to take the game on, and as we've seen recently, that's not necessarily a bad thing. O. Mac on the other hand, misreads the flight of the ball, gets pushed off contests,and has bad disposal under pressure.

Hurley and Hibberd would make a huge difference to our backline.

  On 15/08/2016 at 05:45, John Dee said:

The curvature in space is caused by the gravity well created by the blackhole. We cannot see a black hole, we can only infer its existence by the effect the well has on light as it passes beyond the event horizon.

BTW I have a degree in Nuclear Physics, this sort of stuff has always fascinated me.

and that's roughly what i quoted, john. never said you were totally wrong initially, just that you were close. initial comment was a little simplistic that's all

alas, my degree is only in pharmacology and biological genetics (don't ask why) but i did get a credit in 1st year physics 

 

  On 15/08/2016 at 04:28, Cranky Franky said:

The point is that unlike most players on the list who have had to show their wares at Casey Oscar virtually came straight into the team.

In his last couple of games he has probably played to the level that Dunn has shown although Oscar has arguably cost us a couple of games in the process.

Why they rushed him & also persisted with Frost up forward still has me scratching my head.

 

Which 2 games..?

  On 15/08/2016 at 05:58, daisycutter said:

and that's roughly what i quoted, john. never said you were totally wrong initially, just that you were close. initial comment was a little simplistic that's all

alas, my degree is only in pharmacology and biological genetics (don't ask why) but i did get a credit in 1st year physics 

 

I recently attended a series of lectures to mark the 100 year anniversary of Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity. The new hot subject is Dark Matter. We should try to work that into a comment in this thread.

  On 15/08/2016 at 04:28, Cranky Franky said:

The point is that unlike most players on the list who have had to show their wares at Casey Oscar virtually came straight into the team.

In his last couple of games he has probably played to the level that Dunn has shown although Oscar has arguably cost us a couple of games in the process.

Why they rushed him & also persisted with Frost up forward still has me scratching my head.

 

Er let me think, Oscar spent a season at Casey last season developing and got a game towards the end to see how he handled it, this year apart from the game against Collingwood where he got knocked cold in a marking contest, he had shown consistency at Casey

  On 15/08/2016 at 06:32, John Dee said:

I recently attended a series of lectures to mark the 100 year anniversary of Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity. The new hot subject is Dark Matter. We should try to work that into a comment in this thread.

Dark Matter so yesterday - just gravitons that no-one can find. 

Dark Energy all the go these days.

  On 15/08/2016 at 05:48, mo64 said:

Despite his improvement in the past couple of weeks, I still think O Mac is a long way short of being a reliable KPB, if we see ourselves as being a team capable of winning a final next year. He's still very raw.

The mistakes that he makes are different to those of Frost and T Mac. They get undone when they try to take the game on, and as we've seen recently, that's not necessarily a bad thing. O. Mac on the other hand, misreads the flight of the ball, gets pushed off contests,and has bad disposal under pressure.

Hurley and Hibberd would make a huge difference to our backline.

I agree that he doesn't have the strength, but given we could play finals next year, he will be a lot stronger and better prepared by then. I am not too sure whether we need 3 key position talls each week either. 

  On 15/08/2016 at 06:38, SPC said:

I agree that he doesn't have the strength, but given we could play finals next year, he will be a lot stronger and better prepared by then. I am not too sure whether we need 3 key position talls each week either. 

Assuming we don't get Hurley and don't recruit another Key Back, then I think they will retain Dunn and Pedersen, who can fill in there if needed.

  On 15/08/2016 at 05:48, mo64 said:

Despite his improvement in the past couple of weeks, I still think O Mac is a long way short of being a reliable KPB, if we see ourselves as being a team capable of winning a final next year. He's still very raw.

The mistakes that he makes are different to those of Frost and T Mac. They get undone when they try to take the game on, and as we've seen recently, that's not necessarily a bad thing. O. Mac on the other hand, misreads the flight of the ball, gets pushed off contests,and has bad disposal under pressure.

Hurley and Hibberd would make a huge difference to our backline.

Really, so with another pre season under his belt he is not going to improve in those things, I am more concerned about us chasing a player/s who have had a year out of footy and as we all know, the game changes all the time, isn't that right Ross? With Melksham I am sure he will need to prove himself again at Casey before getting a sniff

  On 15/08/2016 at 05:58, daisycutter said:

and that's roughly what i quoted, john. never said you were totally wrong initially, just that you were close. initial comment was a little simplistic that's all

alas, my degree is only in pharmacology and biological genetics (don't ask why) but i did get a credit in 1st year physics 

 

dc your surname doesn't happen to be Danks by any chance?

I reckon the list is very balanced and strong enough to make a bit of a gamble.

i'd like to see them have a crack at O'Meara.  We still lack outside polish. If he can get his knee right he would be the perfect addition.

I remember when the Hawks picked up Burgoyne everyone worried that his knee was wrecked.  Look how that worked out.

  On 15/08/2016 at 06:49, Satyriconhome said:

Really, so with another pre season under his belt he is not going to improve in those things, I am more concerned about us chasing a player/s who have had a year out of footy and as we all know, the game changes all the time, isn't that right Ross? With Melksham I am sure he will need to prove himself again at Casey before getting a sniff

I admit I was very quick to knock Oscar, but his improvement has been dramatic. He is still timid and needs to build strength, but if he plays 20 plus game next year, I suspect he will be unrecognizable on current form.

  On 15/08/2016 at 04:50, SPC said:

Serious question...... With Frost and OMAC improving quickly and Tommy boy re-signing- Are we all fairly comfortable to leave Hurley alone? How does everyone feel about these 3 being core defenders for the next 5 plus years?

its great that these 3 have come on but we still desperately need some more experience and leadership down back.  Dunn and Garland not being considered anymore. If we get an injury or two to the Macs or Frost we are in trouble.

Hurley can also play key fwd when needed which could be handy