Training - Friday 13th January, 2017

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39 minutes ago, pineapple dee said:

Sorry, Pickett.

Do you know how to edit a post, Pineapple ?

[pineapple dee 2,892]

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

Do you know how to edit a post, Pineapple ?

Not before, but I reckon I could work it out now. Cheers Pro !!

[brendan 3,382]

6 hours ago, Uncle Fester said:

 

Made a bet with a Collingwood supporter on the same. She laughed and said I'll take your money. Then I said double or nothing they (Collingwood) finish in the bottom six and Buckley is gone by round 18... She didn't want to take that one.

I'll probably lose the first bet, but only because the talent is so young, but I'd be really surprised if this group isn't seriously challenging for the flag in the next 2-3 years

I have a hawks supporter I work with that wants to put money on hawks finishing higher than the dees, I'm very tempted to take his money 

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

Put your house on it Brendan.

Life's all risk and reward. And the risk settings on this bet are sound.

Just ask Jordan Lewis - he kinda took the same bet. He seems happy with his decision thus far.

 

 

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On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 7:41 PM, waynewussell said:

I see Wagner as a HB, he has excellent endurance, seems to have a firm grip on the game plan, has an excellent left foot and, to reiterate the Goodwin catchphrase... has composure under pressure.

If Wagner's to get regular games in the 22, Melksham, Jetts and even Frost will be under pressure. I can't see Melksham and Wagner playing the HB role when we've also got Hibberd and potentially Hunt that can play that role as well.

It's more likely that Wagner will be depth this season. I like him as a player though and I agree with your above assessment.

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On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 5:07 AM, tappysquads said:

There was a number of games last year where Jetta almost single handedly kept us in the game. He is now a top shelf small defender, and in my mind he would be the first back I pick each week. Extremely underrated 

He's probably my favourite player, but his position is certainly under pressure with our increased flanker depth.

The two things that count against Jetts are his pace and his good, but not brilliant or penetrating kicking.

[waynewussell 4,091]

I've been watching training totally unaware that Jetta can no longer cut it...... He has that quality that Goodwin has been talking about, 'composure under pressure'. He is rarely beaten, and if he is beaten he wants to go on with it! He get's downright unsociable if an opponent plays him for a fool. He can play close, very close... is clever with his holding and harassing tactics, rarely gets pulled up by the umps! He is a superb tackler and can bring even the giants to the ground (just ask Max). He seems to have a very good grip on the game plan, both defensively and offensively. Yep, I reckon he is in trouble holding down a spot, all right, about as much trouble as Nathan Jones is in!

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1 hour ago, A F said:

He's probably my favourite player, but his position is certainly under pressure with our increased flanker depth.

The two things that count against Jetts are his pace and his good, but not brilliant or penetrating kicking.

This is a classic case of people looking at the negatives and ignoring the positives.  On top of this Jetta is a classic back pocket, we don't need him to play on a flank.

It's like when Jurrah was kicking almost three goals a game yet people were worried he wasn't laying enough tackles.

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On 1/13/2017 at 7:41 PM, waynewussell said:

I see Wagner as a HB, he has excellent endurance, seems to have a firm grip on the game plan, has an excellent left foot and, to reiterate the Goodwin catchphrase... has composure under pressure.

Wagner has two significant flaws that need to be fixed as I see it. His kicking needs work: he turns the ball over quite a lot; and, he has a lack of urgency to attack the player with the ball. Have seen him on numerous times try to corral a player near a boundary line whne he needed to attack the player physically to force him and the ball over the line.

Both fixable and forgivable for a 1st year player. Will be interesting to see his development this year but he's no lock for a position in my book until he can fix both of those faults.

[ArtificialWisdom 3,857]

2 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Wagner has two significant flaws that need to be fixed as I see it. His kicking needs work: he turns the ball over quite a lot; and, he has a lack of urgency to attack the player with the ball. Have seen him on numerous times try to corral a player near a boundary line whne he needed to attack the player physically to force him and the ball over the line.

Both fixable and forgivable for a 1st year player. Will be interesting to see his development this year but he's no lock for a position in my book until he can fix both of those faults.

Unless he is already close enough to reachout and tackle the the player corraling is probably the best option. Nothing to do with a lack of physicality. I'd rather see him corral a player and hold the ball up  and force a difficult kick/handball over the top than have him rush a player and be stepped around... thats what most ball carriers want. If our zone is properly set up then the next player down the line should have the opportunity to attempt to force a turnover through intercept, spoil or tackle.

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49 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

This is a classic case of people looking at the negatives and ignoring the positives.  On top of this Jetta is a classic back pocket, we don't need him to play on a flank.

It's like when Jurrah was kicking almost three goals a game yet people were worried he wasn't laying enough tackles.

The other things about Jetts is that whilst he certainly isn't a long kick he rarely wastes his kicks or misses targets - a crucial skill as a defender! 

Also he is incredibly consistent.

[dazzledavey36 48,771]

Jetta is my smokey for the leadership group. Wagner Salem and Oliver have raved on about Nev being a mentor to them and playing an important role in their development.

Jetta will be one of Goodwins first picked each week. We can always rely on him to get the job done on Betts Wingard etc every year. He doesn't need to be flashy or quick, just get the job done with no fuss. He is every bit like Nick Smith from Sydney who is not skilled or quick but does his job every week.

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On 1/15/2017 at 5:12 PM, brendan said:

I have a hawks supporter I work with that wants to put money on hawks finishing higher than the dees, I'm very tempted to take his money 

Gambling's for fools.
Keep your money in your pocket.

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1 hour ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

Unless he is already close enough to reachout and tackle the the player corraling is probably the best option. Nothing to do with a lack of physicality. I'd rather see him corral a player and hold the ball up  and force a difficult kick/handball over the top than have him rush a player and be stepped around... thats what most ball carriers want. If our zone is properly set up then the next player down the line should have the opportunity to attempt to force a turnover through intercept, spoil or tackle.

Spot on. Jnr he may well have been coached to do that, we don't know and I certainly wouldn't assume its a mistake. I have attended some coaching sessions with the Swans and they train their players to use it as a one two tactic. The one is the corralling and the two is having players down the field therefore knowing where to go down the field to intercept the ball because the corralling has made that the only place the player can dispose of the ball. 

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22 minutes ago, It's Time said:

Spot on. Jnr he may well have been coached to do that, we don't know and I certainly wouldn't assume its a mistake. I have attended some coaching sessions with the Swans and they train their players to use it as a one two tactic. The one is the corralling and the two is having players down the field therefore knowing where to go down the field to intercept the ball because the corralling has made that the only place the player can dispose of the ball. 

Agree that might be the case but in one clear instance I recall he didn't corral effectively and the opp'n player got past him easily and goaled. Not nailing him for one error but I after that I noticed him again on a couple of occasions where he could have forced the player OOB relatively easily and didn't.

It's just something I will watch with him and hope he fixes.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,154]

As I always list him in the left back pocket, Jetta is literally the first player picked when I'm putting the team together.  He adds stability, grit, consistency and the assurance that nine times out of ten, he beats his man.  I understand what people are saying - of course there is competition for his spot and an improved list means that 'no one is guaranteed a game.'  In my opinion however, he has as much a chance of being dropped as Nathan Jones is.

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3 hours ago, waynewussell said:

I've been watching training totally unaware that Jetta can no longer cut it...... He has that quality that Goodwin has been talking about, 'composure under pressure'. He is rarely beaten, and if he is beaten he wants to go on with it! He get's downright unsociable if an opponent plays him for a fool. He can play close, very close... is clever with his holding and harassing tactics, rarely gets pulled up by the umps! He is a superb tackler and can bring even the giants to the ground (just ask Max). He seems to have a very good grip on the game plan, both defensively and offensively. Yep, I reckon he is in trouble holding down a spot, all right, about as much trouble as Nathan Jones is in!

A bit of a modern day Laurie Fowler if you will

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2 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

As I always list him in the left back pocket, Jetta is literally the first player picked when I'm putting the team together.  He adds stability, grit, consistency and the assurance that nine times out of ten, he beats his man.  I understand what people are saying - of course there is competition for his spot and an improved list means that 'no one is guaranteed a game.'  In my opinion however, he has as much a chance of being dropped as Nathan Jones is.

couldn't agree more.