3rd Man up gets the chop...

[Vagg 2,439]

I, for one, and very pleased about this new rule, to be implemented in 2017.  To me, the pure ruck contest between two, opposing ruckmen, is an iconic part of the game.  To me, the third man up ruins the spectacle, and tends to negate the effect of the pure duel.  The third man up is also a recipe for unwarranted injury.

So, I'm happy to see it brought in.  Think it will only reduce other teams' efforts to negate big Max's dominance.

[rjay 24,852]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-12-21/third-man-up-gets-the-chop-in-radical-rule-change

A big plus for Max I would guess...

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

1 minute ago, rjay said:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-12-21/third-man-up-gets-the-chop-in-radical-rule-change

A big plus for Max I would guess...

Huge advantage for us. 

[sue 9,096]

Will be interesting to see how  3-rd man up ban affects things. 

I don't like the idea that a bloke kicking out from a behind is considered to have had prior opportunity.  If he stuffs up kicking it to himself and is then under immediate pressure, I see no reason why the opposition should be almost gifted a goal because he rushes a behind under pressure.   It's not in the spirit of why the rule was introduced. No one would deliberately muck up a kick-to-self because the probability of a goal being scored is too high.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

24 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Huge advantage for us. 

This was my first thought.  In some games last year the opposition were able to negate Max's influence at the stoppages by having someone jump over the top of him as the third man up.  It always annoyed me, but this rule is not only good for the game but good for us as well.

[biggestred 5,012]

Another rule change. Yey

[Ethan Tremblay 30,823]

Another rule change also announced today is no high free when the player with the ball is responsible for high contact. A very welcome change.

It covers ducking, slipping down through a tackle and driving the head into the tackler.

Edited December 21, 2016 by Ethan Tremblay

[Sir Why You Little 36,955]

4 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Another rule change also announced today is no high free when the player with the ball is responsible for high contact. A very welcome change.

It covers ducking, slipping down through a tackle and driving the head into the tackler.

Nought Melbourne will be gutted!

[Ethan Tremblay 30,823]

Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

Nought Melbourne will be gutted!

So will Selwood and that kid from Brisbane. 

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

19 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

This was my first thought.  In some games last year the opposition were able to negate Max's influence at the stoppages by having someone jump over the top of him as the third man up.  It always annoyed me, but this rule is not only good for the game but good for us as well.

Notice also that the players complaining about the rule change via twitter are from clubs with [censored]-kicker ruckmen and who rely on their third man-er at times. 

Lolsies.

[Redleg 40,815]

11 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Nought Melbourne will be gutted!

Shuey and Selwood have just retired.

[Cards13 9,117]

Do we need Lewis now?

Like, no love both rule changes. Have not liked the 3rd up since it came into fashion and the fing ducking rule has needed change for years. Interesting to see how that last change plays out.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,218]

No third man up !! This is one of the the few rule changes in recent history that actually appears considered, useful and will improve the game.

 

FMD . It's taken a while.

[Pipefitter 2,149]

Love it. Just added to the congestion around the ball. 

[Chook 15,012]

Thank fark!!! Finally a rule change that actually needed to be made!

[pineapple dee 2,892]

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

So will Selwood and that kid from Brisbane. 

And .......... Shuey from West Coast. His possession count is halved at a stroke. Let's see whether he has the class or skill to overcome this change. This rule change is 80% on account of Shueys tactics.

[Glenn Molloy 494]

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

So will Selwood and that kid from Brisbane. 

Rhys Matheson.  Never been more riled by a first year player than this [censored], absolute expert at ducking into the tackler, and also did that stupid shotgun thing.  Let's see how good he is in 2017.

Toby McLean from the Dogs is another who won't be happy.

[tappysquads 618]

Not gonna make a difference to the congestion. Mostly the 3rd man up tried to tap down to someone which is what the ruck does anyway. It will just allow one of the key positions in football to have a 1v1 battle. Which is great.

this is huge for us. We have the best tap ruck in the game, who would no doubt have been attacked next year by the 3rd man all season. So Maxy to dominate, and JV to be all Australian 

[monoccular 17,413]

Whilst I agree with the general concept, and it will certainly advantage Gawnius Maximus  and therefore us,  have they actually defined "third man up"?

What is supposed to happen with a misdirected / short boundary throw in, or an errant bounce that doesn't go anywhere near either of the designated ruck men?  Are the rest of the players supposed to just stand and wait for it to hit the deck? Can they go for it then?  Do they have to await the umpire's call?

Presumably they will make another rule change on the run to (attempt to) address this.

Typical AFL reactionary rules on the run stuff. 

Edited December 21, 2016 by monoccular

[Chook 15,012]

This list of the AFL's top 20 players for 3rd man up hitouts in 2016 shows that we're one of only four clubs (Melbourne, West Coast, North Melbourne, Gold Coast) not to have had a player in the Top 20 for this stat.*

Even though we've now got Jordan Lewis (5th on this list), I'd say we're definitely massively advantaged by this rule change.

*Champion Data says so

[Biffen 12,940]

Great news.

Max was robbed because of the 3rd man rule.

Max is drinking French champagne and smoking a Cuban right now.(Cigar that is).

[Bay Riffin 1,471]

2 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Another rule change also announced today is no high free when the player with the ball is responsible for high contact. A very welcome change.

It covers ducking, slipping down through a tackle and driving the head into the tackler.

that is a superb improvement. running into a stationary player with your head should never be free, but they are given.

[faultydet 7,594]

3 hours ago, rjay said:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-12-21/third-man-up-gets-the-chop-in-radical-rule-change

A big plus for Max I would guess...

An extra 5 Brownlow votes for Max and Viney in this. A big win for our midfield.

1 hour ago, Glenn Molloy said:

Rhys Matheson.  Never been more riled by a first year player than this [censored], absolute expert at ducking into the tackler, and also did that stupid shotgun thing.  Let's see how good he is in 2017.

Toby McLean from the Dogs is another who won't be happy.

Toby McLean. If I could have 1 wish for Christmas, it would be someone slapping the suitcase out of this cheating little F.log. Throw the other no name in also.

Great rule change. They got one right.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

1 hour ago, monoccular said:

have they actually defined "third man up"?

Any player competing in the ruck contest other than the ruckmen...

Edited December 21, 2016 by stevethemanjordan

[faultydet 7,594]

26 minutes ago, Chook said:

This list of the AFL's top 20 players for 3rd man up hitouts in 2016 shows that we're one of only four clubs (Melbourne, West Coast, North Melbourne, Gold Coast) not to have had a player in the Top 20 for this stat.*

Even though we've now got Jordan Lewis (5th on this list), I'd say we're definitely massively advantaged by this rule change.

*Champion Data says so

Bit silly to go with a 3rd man up, if you have a 16 feet tall dominant ruckman.

Melbourne (Gawn)

West Coast (Nic Nat)

Norf (Goldy)

Gold Coast (dunno)

Seems reasonable those teams would prefer one ruckman at each contest.