23 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

Yes I'm sure the AFL made sure he did.

Free agency open: Wells, Vickery, Mayne and others set to find new homes

Wells, 31, is expected to depart North Melbourne after 14 seasons to join Collingwood on a three-year deal worth up to $600,000 a season, while the Magpies are also set to snare Fremantle forward Mayne on a four-year deal understood to be worth more than $500,000 a season.

i wouldn't believe these figures for a moment at this time. no doubt managers doing a bit of spruiking

wells is a different category (to frawley) because age is also a compo factor (with contract $s and length). wells maybe only band 3 due to age and contract length.

but 2nd guessing the afl is a mug's game - lol

The AFL had a hand in getting us Paul Roos, a premiership coach & Peter Jackson a shrewd CEO.  Then I believe they had a say on the selection committee in choosing Fagan for Brisbane, an untried assistant coach in his first senior role.  We were also fined $500000 for not tanking, then given bail out money of $1.45mil.  Does that seem fair?  

[censored], whinge, moan and complain all you like, this is how the AFL will always act. If you want it to change, stop supporting AFL by going to games, watching it on TV, buying merchandise etc.  Support another sport, if the management of this one horrifies you so much.

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

But that was the application of the rule. Just like the bottom team gets first pick and so on.

Frawley's contract price and length and his age etc, led to only that conclusion, under the compensation formula. We got nothing extra, it was just that we were near the bottom, which was how the rule was designed.

With Brisbane they are better off than us with their list, players to come back, Beams etc, games won, finals a few years ago and 3 flags and a GF 12 years ago. Not to mention their Academy.

Either apply the rules or don't.

I hate the ad hoc nature, of this administration of a sports competition. 

PS. I would have more respect for this decision, if they came out and said that the MFC deserved one, but we are more concerned with making the non victorian teams strong, for the benefit of ratings, income and the health of the National competition. Pigs will fly.

100% agree Red. I actually am not fussed about the Lions getting a priority pick but the arguments put forward as to why we didn't get one and it is ok for Brisbane to get one infuriate me. 

Chief among them is the argument we actually got a a PP in the form of Frawley. Mods please turn the filter off for a second - that is complete bull [censored]. I heard Sam McClure run this argument and it drives me nuts. As you say red that was the rule and it was designed to compensate bottom teams from being decimated by free agency (as an aside Sam McClure has become my most disliked media person. He has morphed from a gossip into someone who seems to have license to give editorials - i'm no Gen Y basher but he simply does not have the runs on the board to be credible, not to mention he is so often wrong and infuriatingly smug, can't stand his father either by the by). 

The other argument that we got PJ and money for Paul Roos is similarly rubbish. As you point out all clubs get financial assistance from the AFL. And it is their interest all clubs are solvent as they have a billion dollar TV deal that is dependent on 18 teams.  But in any case the AFL have installed Fagan and Noble so they have received the same assistance we have.

The other issue is that an argument for us not getting a PP was that were the architects of our own demise. And Brisbane haven't been? Sheesh. They are 30 odd millions in debt. Their board is in disarray. They have just sacked in their second coach in the the last 3 years or so (with Voss getting the axe because they apparently thought they had Roos). Their culture obviously sucks. They can't retain players. They've brought in duds. And under Voss they traded away their picks for players like fevola thinking they might snag a flag. All this after having won three flags a decade ago. Beggars bloody belief. 

And don't get me started on us not getting a PP as punishment for tanking. 

15 minutes ago, binman said:

100% agree Red. I actually am not fussed about the Lions getting a priority pick but the arguments put forward as to why we didn't get one and it is ok for Brisbane to get one infuriate me. 

Chief among them is the argument we actually got a a PP in the form of Frawley. Mods please turn the filter off for a second - that is complete bull [censored]. I heard Sam McClure run this argument and it drives me nuts. As you say red that was the rule and it was designed to compensate bottom teams from being decimated by free agency (as an aside Sam McClure has become my most disliked media person. He has morphed from a gossip into someone who seems to have license to give editorials - i'm no Gen Y basher but he simply does not have the runs on the board to be credible, not to mention he is so often wrong and infuriatingly smug, can't stand his father either by the by). 

The other argument that we got PJ and money for Paul Roos is similarly rubbish. As you point out all clubs get financial assistance from the AFL. And it is their interest all clubs are solvent as they have a billion dollar TV deal that is dependent on 18 teams.  But in any case the AFL have installed Fagan and Noble so they have received the same assistance we have.

The other issue is that an argument for us not getting a PP was that were the architects of our own demise. And Brisbane haven't been? Sheesh. They are 30 odd millions in debt. Their board is in disarray. They have just sacked in their second coach in the the last 3 years or so (with Voss getting the axe because they apparently thought they had Roos). Their culture obviously sucks. They can't retain players. They've brought in duds. And under Voss they traded away their picks for players like fevola thinking they might snag a flag. All this after having won three flags a decade ago. Beggars bloody belief. 

And don't get me started on us not getting a PP as punishment for tanking. 

And now the best comment of all.

Greg Swann, the Lions CEO, who said we didn't deserve one and led the fight against us getting one, though we were worse and had a worse list, history and results, said that the AFL were totally correct in awarding the Lions a pick,  as they fitted within the criteria for getting one.  

AFL fl og and brown noser of the year.

Edited October 7, 20168 yr by Redleg

22 minutes ago, Redleg said:

And now the best comment of all.

Greg Swann, the Lions CEO, who said we didn't deserve one and led the fight against us getting one, though we were worse and had a worse list, history and results, said that the AFL were totally correct in awarding the Lions a pick,  as they fitted within the criteria for getting one.  

AFL fl og and brown noser of the year.

Swan reminds me a bit of Robson...

Very overrated BS artist.

18 hours ago, Mach5 said:

Meh.

Exactly.

3 hours ago, AzzKikA said:

The AFL had a hand in getting us Paul Roos, a premiership coach & Peter Jackson a shrewd CEO.  Then I believe they had a say on the selection committee in choosing Fagan for Brisbane, an untried assistant coach in his first senior role.  We were also fined $500000 for not tanking, then given bail out money of $1.45mil.  Does that seem fair?  

[censored], whinge, moan and complain all you like, this is how the AFL will always act. If you want it to change, stop supporting AFL by going to games, watching it on TV, buying merchandise etc.  Support another sport, if the management of this one horrifies you so much.

He's there to teach, nurture & develop that list, I think.

Then maybe he will step aside into a similar role he had with the Hawks, as they get a more high profile coach to take the lead on matchdays. Maybe even Clarkson?

Just to add some ridiculous commentary, the AFL has just tweeted the following:

"Peter Schwab confirms Lions keen to use pick to advantage the club most".

Really? Well, that's thrown the plans of all other 17 clubs into disarray.

 

2 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Just to add some ridiculous commentary, the AFL has just tweeted the following:

"Peter Schwab confirms Lions keen to use pick to advantage the club most".

Really? Well, that's thrown the plans of all other 17 clubs into disarray.

 

Given how badly they are run it is no certainty they will use the pick to 'advantage the club most'

Part of me is annoyed by this but if getting Roos (with the AFL's assistance I should add) has taught us anything it's not just about draft picks it's about management. The lions need to get their S--- together, only that will change their fortunes. 

We had all the top draft picks you could hope for but development and player management was so bad we managed to stuff it up so many times it's not funny. 

They got their priority pick, it will do nothing unless the club as a whole improves. 

Just to remind us how lacking in integrity and transparency the AFL is Brisbane get a Priority Pick.  Melbourne were denied a pick a few years ago despite having a worse record than Brisbane.  Nice work Gillon.

 

 

Edited October 7, 20168 yr by Dr John Dee
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Um Cranky, perhaps you missed it. but there is an existing thread full of angst about this issue

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22 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

please compare MFC v the Lions performance over the period 2012 to 2014... 16th  17th  17th but NO PRIORITY

the AFL is seriously a joke 

except that jokes  are supposedly funny

22 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Frawley for pick 3. Sylvia for pick 23. We were looked after. 

But the Lions didn't have to wait for a year under their new coach to get the freebie like we did with Frawley. Didn't have to give up a player either.

There list is certainly better placed than ours when Roos took over.

That said, we have to aim to beat the clubs at the top not worry about what the ones at the bottom are doing. 

DS. We actually need to consistently beat the clubs below us, and at least some above for us to progress. 

Well done Brisbane good to see the systems works.

Ok with the Lions getting a priority pick.

I want the Dees to be strong and the code to be strong. 

4 hours ago, Cranky Franky said:

Just to remind us how lacking in integrity and transparency the AFL is Brisbane get a Priority Pick.  Melbourne were denied a pick a few years ago despite having a worse record than Brisbane.  Nice work Gillon.

 

 

Yes 

I am amazed and angry

Example 25 of AFL bias to non Victorian clubs.

 Didn't the Lions win 3 premierships in 2001-2003. 

Melbourne's record of 16th  17th  17th is worse than the last 3 years at the Lions.

WTF

10 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

Yes I'm sure the AFL made sure he did.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-07/free-agency-open-wells-vickery-mayne-and-others-set-to-find-new-homes

Wells, 31, is expected to depart North Melbourne after 14 seasons to join Collingwood on a three-year deal worth up to $600,000 a season, while the Magpies are also set to snare Fremantle forward Mayne on a four-year deal understood to be worth more than $500,000 a season.

FMD, a 31yo for 3 years on $600k per year! Surely that's got to be a joke.

26 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

FMD, a 31yo for 3 years on $600k per year! Surely that's got to be a joke.

c'mon, surely it's comforting to know the Figjams have totally lost it ?

4 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

c'mon, surely it's comforting to know the Figjams have totally lost it ?

In that case they should've offered $800k pa

Now, if the Bears could use their priority pick to get Roos, that might help them significantly.

time for another scotch.

17 hours ago, Pates said:

Part of me is annoyed by this but if getting Roos (with the AFL's assistance I should add) has taught us anything it's not just about draft picks it's about management. The lions need to get their S--- together, only that will change their fortunes. 

We had all the top draft picks you could hope for but development and player management was so bad we managed to stuff it up so many times it's not funny. 

They got their priority pick, it will do nothing unless the club as a whole improves. 

 

One thing I think is often overlooked is that although we got Roos & PJ with arguable degrees of assistance from the AFL, few choose to acknowledge that without Neeld we wouldn't have Jason Taylor, and without Schwab we may not have Todd Viney, both of which are integral to our rebuilt list full of talent.

Good luck to Brisbane, but I've not seen a revolution in their list management/recruitment department, and I think this could very well hold them back still. 

12 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

FMD, a 31yo for 3 years on $600k per year! Surely that's got to be a joke.

I find the idea of Mayne on a four year deal worth more than $2m to be a lot less believable. Someone needs to put Buckley in a straitjacket if that's even mildly true.

Edited October 7, 20168 yr by P-man

Brisbane get a priority pick whereas Melbourne did not despite Brisbane winning more games in the preceding few seasons.

What an open accountable and transparent competition we have.  Well done AFL.  

12 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

FMD, a 31yo for 3 years on $600k per year! Surely that's got to be a joke.

And a constantly injured one at that. 

Mayne also 4 years at $500k per year. 

Bucks is only worried about 2017 to make finals or go. Stuffing their list management. 

Is it too late for us to apply for special assistance? 

After all, I'm pretty sure you'll find that, despite our improvement this year, we have won less games in the last five years than Brisbane and on that criteria we deserve a priority pick as well. I'm prepared to take an end of first round selection like the hypocrites Lions (and trade it for Tom Rockliff if the AFL insists).

PS: For the benefit of the nannies out there, the above is tongue in cheek apart from the fact that the AFL is so conflicted and lacking in integrity that if it's love child GCS applied with that story, it would probably get one.