Surely Hunt Deserves a Rising Star Nomination

[Wrecker45 3,378]

15 hours ago, Stretch Johnson said:

Sounds hyperbolic but I am not joking, I think he will be the most exciting of our young players bar Hogan and we have some very good young players.  He is the package.

Has a rare combination of exceptional speed, courage and smarts.  He lacks composure but most sub 20 gamers do.  He is a game breaker and will cause our opposition a lot of headaches,

Draft position and what players did pre AFL has little relevance.  This kid has got it.

I watched Abblett jnr in his early years before being drafted and paid close attention to him in his first year at the cats.

There are alot of similarities except Hunt has played a better first 15 games in the afl than abblett jnr did.

He has the burst away speed of Judd or Macleod. I really don't think it is a stretch to say he could become one of the games elite.

[The Chazz 4,077]

1 hour ago, ManDee said:

No, you are wrong. Rivers stats in his Rising star year are better than Talias, but don't let facts stop you. In 2004 Rivers was 11th overall for disposal averages among Rising star nominees, Talia was 79th.

 

Jared Rivers	Name	Daniel Talia
Geelong Cats	Team	Adelaide Crows
Defender	Position	Defender
194	Career Games	113
North Adelaide	Origin	Calder Cannons
October 18, 1984	Date of Birth	October 2, 1991
Turned 20 in 2004	Age	Turned 21 in 2012
194cm	Height	196cm
94kg	Weight	98kg
2002 National Draft	Last Drafted In	2009 National Draft
Round 2, Pick #26	Last Draft Position	Round 1, Pick #13
Melbourne Demons	Last Drafted By	Adelaide Crows
2004	Stats for Season	2012
22	Games	23
5.9	Kicks Per Game	4.6
5.9	Handballs Per Game	3.4
11.8	Disposals Per Game	8.1
5.0	Marks Per Game	2.6
0	Goals Per Game	0
0	Behinds Per Game	0.1
2.2	Tackles Per Game	1.8
0	Hitouts Per Game	0
1.0	Frees For Per Game	0.6
0.4	Frees Against Per Game	0.7

 

2004 AFL Rising Stars Disposals Per Game Leaders (Minimum 5 Games Played)

Rank Player Team Games Average 1 Beau Waters West Coast 10 13.80 2 Sam Butler West Coast 12 13.67 3 Richard Hadley Brisbane 23 13.48 4 Brent Reilly Adelaide 14 13.36 5 Daniel Cross Western Bulldogs 14 13.29 6 Dane Swan Collingwood 13 13.15 7 Brent Moloney Geelong 15 12.67 8 Daniel Gilmore Fremantle 8 12.50 9 Steven Salopek Port Adelaide 11 11.82 10 Adam Cooney Western Bulldogs 19 11.79 11 Jared Rivers Melbourne 22 11.77

2012

79

Daniel Talia

Adelaide

23

8.09

Edit:- I had wrong stats listed-now fixed.

ManDee, just wondering how they work those stats out?  What I mean is that you are showing Talia was ranked 79th in his year of nomination, but there can only be 22/23 nominated each year.

[ManDee 7,077]

3 minutes ago, billy2803 said:

ManDee, just wondering how they work those stats out?  What I mean is that you are showing Talia was ranked 79th in his year of nomination, but there can only be 22/23 nominated each year.

79th among those eligible to receive a nomination.

 

Edit:- Stats are from footywire.com

Edited July 11, 2016 by ManDee

[The Chazz 4,077]

4 minutes ago, ManDee said:

79th among those eligible to receive a nomination.

And the stats you used to compare Rivers, are they for those eligible to receive a nomination, or of those that did receive a nomination?  If it's the latter, then it would only be fair to compare Talia to those in his year that did receive a nomination.

It would be interesting to see the full list of both years.

[Stretch Johnson 2,568]

1 hour ago, Wrecker45 said:

I watched Abblett jnr in his early years before being drafted and paid close attention to him in his first year at the cats.

There are alot of similarities except Hunt has played a better first 15 games in the afl than abblett jnr did.

He has the burst away speed of Judd or Macleod. I really don't think it is a stretch to say he could become one of the games elite.

This is what is exciting, there are a few players that have this and not much else.

This kid has a powerful game.

[ManDee 7,077]

37 minutes ago, billy2803 said:

And the stats you used to compare Rivers, are they for those eligible to receive a nomination, or of those that did receive a nomination?  If it's the latter, then it would only be fair to compare Talia to those in his year that did receive a nomination.

It would be interesting to see the full list of both years.

2004   http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_rankings?year=2004&rt=RA&st=DI 

2012   http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_rankings?year=2012&rt=RA&st=DI   

I don't want to bore others with large tables.

[The Chazz 4,077]

7 minutes ago, ManDee said:

2004   http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_rankings?year=2004&rt=RA&st=DI 

2012   http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_rankings?year=2012&rt=RA&st=DI   

I don't want to bore others with large tables.

Thanks ManDee, interesting reading.

[ManDee 7,077]

Back on topic, I think Hunt excites me as a player as much as any player we have drafted in a long time. That speed is breathtaking, I think we may have something (what would Bruce say?) Special!

NB:-Patrick Dangerfield did not win a rising star.

Edit:- Patrick Dangerfield came 7th on 4 votes - Danial Rich won on 45 - 2009 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_AFL_Rising_Star

I see a fair bit of Dangerfield in Hunt

             2009                                                                                                    2016

Patrick Dangerfield	Name	Jayden Hunt
Geelong Cats	Team	Melbourne Demons
Midfield	Position	Forward
169	Career Games	12
Geelong Falcons	Origin	Brighton Grammar
April 5, 1990	Date of Birth	April 3, 1995
Turned 19 in 2009	Age	21yr 3mth
189cm	Height	187cm
92kg	Weight	79kg
2007 National Draft	Last Drafted In	2013 National Draft
Round 1, Pick #10	Last Draft Position	Round 4, Pick #57
Adelaide Crows	Last Drafted By	Melbourne Demons
2009	Stats for Season	2016
21	Games	12
5.0	Kicks Per Game	7.5
8.0	Handballs Per Game	7.2
13.0	Disposals Per Game	14.8
2.8	Marks Per Game	2.9
1.0	Goals Per Game	0.1
0.9	Behinds Per Game	0
2.2	Tackles Per Game	2.4
0	Hitouts Per Game	0
0.6	Frees For Per Game	0.8
0.7	Frees Against Per Game	0.9

 

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=10&playerStatus2=A&tid2=12&type=A&pid1=2310&pid2=3970&fid1=P&fopt1=2009&fid2=S

Edited July 12, 2016 by ManDee

[Scipio 5,868]

Lets not get too carried away. Dangerfield is currently the best player in the competition and Hunt has played a handful of games. That speed is breathtaking and his courage and dare are great to see, but lets not put too much expectation on the kids shoulders just yet.

[Ricky P 757]

1 hour ago, Django said:

Lets not get too carried away. Dangerfield is currently the best player in the competition and Hunt has played a handful of games. That speed is breathtaking and his courage and dare are great to see, but lets not put too much expectation on the kids shoulders just yet.

Haha agreed. Midfield is a completely different proposition to half back. Much easier with the game in front of you. That's why midfielders and forwards get paid the big bucks!! 

But love the way this kid goes about it! As Martin Flanagan wrote the other day, "Hunt plays as if he is an arrow shot at a target behind the middle of the goals." (Or something like that).

[Bobby McKenzie 2,169]

2 hours ago, Django said:

Lets not get too carried away. Dangerfield is currently the best player in the competition and Hunt has played a handful of games. That speed is breathtaking and his courage and dare are great to see, but lets not put too much expectation on the kids shoulders just yet.

Wise comment Django. Let's give the kid time without pressure.

[ManDee 7,077]

1 minute ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

Wise comment Django. Let's give the kid time without pressure.

                ......long enough, go Hunty the next All Australian,  Brownlow & Norm Smith medalist in our 2017 premiership side. Runner up in the Coleman too!

[SPC 2,792]

The kid has some real weapons, but also some flaws he needs to work on.. Just hope he can continue to develop on the scale he is on now.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

27 minutes ago, ManDee said:

                ......long enough, go Hunty the next All Australian,  Brownlow & Norm Smith medalist in our 2017 premiership side. Runner up in the Coleman too!

The only reason he will be runner up in the coleman is because he is leading the goal assists to Hogan who just beats him.

[Diamond_Jim 11,747]

Is he a chance to be named a legend this year ???

I know we normally wait until they are retired but perhaps a special case for such an all time great player

[Biffen 12,323]

15 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Is he a chance to be named a legend this year ???

I know we normally wait until they are retired but perhaps a special case for such an all time great player

We are interviewing Sculptors and Biographers.

Not often we get someone quick.

[NotOnMeth 23]

I'm a huge fan of Hunt and love seeing him get the ball in his hands. Every time he does I generally find myself screaming "Run Hunty!".  As SPC mentioned though, he does have a few flaws he needs to work on namely in positioning and kicking penetration. Many of kicks are big floaters into the forward line. Imagine if he had a boot like Petracca!

[Wrecker45 3,378]

1 hour ago, NotOnMeth said:

I'm a huge fan of Hunt and love seeing him get the ball in his hands. Every time he does I generally find myself screaming "Run Hunty!".  As SPC mentioned though, he does have a few flaws he needs to work on namely in positioning and kicking penetration. Many of kicks are big floaters into the forward line. Imagine if he had a boot like Petracca!

I would love to see a longest kick competition with he and Hogan. Reckon Hunt might just have him covered. Daisy would probably beat them both.

[NotOnMeth 23]

1 hour ago, Wrecker45 said:

I would love to see a longest kick competition with he and Hogan. Reckon Hunt might just have him covered. Daisy would probably beat them both.

Considering Hogan struggles to kick 50, I wouldn't be surprised!

[Wrecker45 3,378]

6 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Is he a chance to be named a legend this year ???

I know we normally wait until they are retired but perhaps a special case for such an all time great player

It looks like we are getting carried away but we have had 3 rising star nominations this year (Oliver, Harmes, Petracca). Hunt has had a better year than all of them. 

 

[daisycutter 28,516]

1 hour ago, Wrecker45 said:

I would love to see a longest kick competition with he and Hogan. Reckon Hunt might just have him covered. Daisy would probably beat them both.

no argument. i'd definitely beat either of them. drop punt or drop kick. 

[Phadraig 760]

Is Hogan the shortest kick for his size in the competition? (Set shot wise)

[monoccular 16,066]

On 11 July 2016 at 10:50 PM, Standing Room Only said:

Not this week unfortunately but would have been a well deserved nomination. Was great again on the weekend. 

If he has another good game this weekend would have to go close to getting the nod seeing as though the selectors tend to look at patches of form. 

Which brings about my question. If he gets the nod sometime this season that will give us 4 in one season. Since the rising star began has any club had 4 nominations in the one season ?

 

 

On 11 July 2016 at 10:57 PM, Members' Wing said:

Yes GWS had about 8 one season

Maybe SRO meant real AFL teams, not artificial creations of Vlad and the AFL propped up with huge draft gifts.  

[monoccular 16,066]

14 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Is he a chance to be named a legend this year ???

I know we normally wait until they are retired but perhaps a special case for such an all time great player

To whom are you referring, DJ*?  Not Jayden, yet anyway.

it is sometimes difficult when a player is referred to as "he" and is not the one about whom the thread is named.  

 

*and commiserations on your recent fall into poverty. 

Edited July 12, 2016 by monoccular

[ManDee 7,077]

2 hours ago, monoccular said:

To whom are you referring, DJ*?  Not Jayden, yet anyway.

it is sometimes difficult when a player is referred to as "he" and is not the one about whom the thread is named.  

 

*and commiserations on your recent fall into poverty. 

I find it mildly amusing that you rightly question who "he" is. You then make reference to Diamond Joe not Diamond Jim, mind you, you may know him personally or you don't care.