POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 6

[TRIGON 4,783]

35 minutes ago, Ricky P said:

I've never seen so many goals kicked with 3,4,5 forwards on 1 defender. I'm not sure whether there's something wrong with the plan or the application. I reckon it's probably the latter. 

Hopefully the boys bounce back next week. 

Strikes me as being a really really really bad plan.

[leave it to deever 17,511]

1 hour ago, JackoTheMuss said:

YES.

People on here talking about winning 5 in a row, players talking about finals, the over-hyping of Truck's debut. Spelled trouble from the start. Excuses will include a short turnaround, inexperience, Etihad, blah, blah, blah, but again its COMPLACENCY. It's time to grow up and pull the proverbial head out of the backside. So, so disappointing but all too familiar. 

 

You sir are 100 per cent on the money

[McQueen 17,864]

Out Coached.

Out played.

Out muscled.

[Jaded No More 68,855]

12 minutes ago, Mac7 said:

This summarizes everything wrong with demonland. 

What did people seriously expect!?!?!?

Its first game, nerves and speed of the game got to him early but he ended up with 16 disposals, 5 tackles and 3 goal assists. 

I am not complaining and not writing him off. Just simply saying that it was an underwhelming debut. I'm sure he'll be a good player but I'm not sure that he deserved a game this week. 

[angrydee 842]

5 minutes ago, Biffen said:

Yes.

He was the man for Riewoldt but he kept trying to delegate to H and even Jetta.Weak as pizz.

Dunn slow and reactionary.

H flakey and missed tackles.

Paul Roos - terrible game day coach.

I'm just astounded that we've managed to to win three games this year with such a terrible match day coach.

[dave 183]

17 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Side note: Petracca super underwhelming

Cannot for the life me think why you would have a go at a kid playing his first game, seriously bad dude

[Biffen 12,940]

1 minute ago, Return to Glory said:

You weren't happy Biffen that Riewoldt was allowed 20 metres on his opponent throughout the game without the barest hint of a coaching move?

And they kept ignoring it until the game was over about  ten minutes into the last.

Are they kidding ?

This club is still a shamble with more experienced management.

thats all.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, Sylvia Saint said:

Not one to normally question the coaches as I don't know what they say to the players but when St.Kilda take 18 UNCONTESTED marks inside their forward 50 serious questions need to be asked. If it's not Beau Wilkes cutting us up then it's no namers like [censored] Membrey.

 

I see that as a problem with the high press today.  The coaches and players are on record as saying we are pushing higher up the ground to force turnovers in our half - it broke down big time today and allowed the Saints way too much space.  Full credit to them as it was clearly a plan of theirs and we didn't do enough to stop it.

[dave 183]

It as a bad day, for some unknown reason Saints seem to have it on us last few years, usually Riewoldt plays his best games against us. How the hell we get a 'home' game at their home ground has got me [censored]

[Dr. Gonzo 24,129]

19 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Side note: Petracca super underwhelming

First game at this level, never even played a preseason game before.  What did you expect? I thought he showed a bit at least he got his hands on the footy and got to contests. He'll get better.

[leucopogon 1,519]

2 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Out Coached.

Out played.

Out muscled.

You forgot a few:

out run

out numbered (at every contest)

i just can't believe how poor we played.

[leave it to deever 17,511]

17 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Rubbish, our best football this year clearly indicates our game plan is perfectly fine both offensively and defensively.

The real issue is why we can't execute it weekly. 

Part of that is youth (our 22 players today are a year, on average, younger than St Kilda's) and inexperience (our 22 averaged 20 games fewer per player than theirs). Part of that is also our first 6-day break for the year.

Part of it is poor coaching, poor selection, and a lot of it is a group of players who still aren't at the required AFL level of consistency yet within themselves. I thought we were improving in all these areas this year but I guess not.

Yea a few youngins let us down but not as many as the seniors like Gawn, Tyson, Watts, pederson, garlett, kent lumumba

[Samael 560]

1 minute ago, Jaded said:

I am not complaining and not writing him off. Just simply saying that it was an underwhelming debut. I'm sure he'll be a good player but I'm not sure that he deserved a game this week. 

I thought he went okay but disposal at 63% efficiency is not good. In fact most of our players were under 80% which I consider is the pass mark at AFL level. He look like he tailed off pretty severely in the last quarter and a half. I think he had 3 touches in that time.

[Soidee 1,496]

Firstly....never ever expect to win at this stadium.  The loss today was very very poor, back line totally rudderless, Reiwoldt did what he liked without any accountability.

watched it closely and many players looked slow, dropped their heads early, and just gave up.

very poor output with apologies to Hogan, Watts and Viney.

TMac - supposed to be the general in backline, he was pathetic today.  Consistency is bad among senior players, so can't expect much from new kids.

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

Roos is really a very non reactive match day coach. out of stubborness or just lack of ability, i dont know , but his refusal to adapt to the game unfolding in front of him has cost us many times now. 

im not sure the players were to blame today. the game plan got carved up and without leadership from the box it left them unable to adapt and the carnage which ensued made it hard for the side to stay in the game. 

an opposition side picking apart a game plan will make players look slow and reactionary. im not so keen to put all of this on the players to be honest. of course ill agree some more on field leadership will help but in a nutshell our game plan has been picked apart and no answers were provided to the players. hence so many lefft in "no mans land" on turnovers

[leave it to deever 17,511]

9 minutes ago, angrydee said:

I'm just astounded that we've managed to to win three games this year with such a terrible match day coach.

Roos should move on now. 

[Demonsone 2,029]

Not surprised by the result .. Short week bewtween games & players got ahead of themselves .. It's the expected journey of a developing team..

Should forget saints lost by 3 pts to Hawks & should have won!

Some posters on Petracca FFs .. What are we expecting ftom a 1st gamer after knee reco??? Was never & shouldn't be expected to be a game changer ...  

 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, leave it to deever said:

Roos should move on now. 

Here is the weekly "give Roos the flick" comment when we lose a game.

Congrats.  You should be very proud.

[SaberFang 7,151]

3 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I see that as a problem with the high press today.  The coaches and players are on record as saying we are pushing higher up the ground to force turnovers in our half - it broke down big time today and allowed the Saints way too much space.  Full credit to them as it was clearly a plan of theirs and we didn't do enough to stop it.

How the hell are we so inept as a club to have only one plan? There should always be a backup plan if the opposition have clearly negated your game plan IN QUARTER ONE.

That nothing changed through the entirety of the match is an indictment on our coaches. Especially when the Saints have had the wool on us for years now, it's pretty bloody obvious Richo has us worked out.

[leave it to deever 17,511]

5 minutes ago, Hogan2014 said:

Not surprised by the result .. Short week bewtween games & players got ahead of themselves .. It's the expected journey of a developing team..

Should forget saints lost by 3 pts to Hawks & should have won!

Some posters on Petracca FFs .. What are we expecting ftom a 1st gamer after knee reco??? Was never & shouldn't be expected to be a game changer ...  

 

Yea cut the guy some slack. He was ok. Many players there with many gmaes behind them didi a lot less

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

46 minutes ago, Ricky P said:

I've never seen so many goals kicked with 3,4,5 forwards on 1 defender. I'm not sure whether there's something wrong with the plan or the application. I reckon it's probably the latter. 

Hopefully the boys bounce back next week. 

They were playing a loose man in their forward line.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, SaberFang said:

How the hell are we so inept as a club to have only one plan? There should always be a backup plan if the opposition have clearly negated your game plan IN QUARTER ONE.

That nothing changed through the entirety of the match is an indictment on our coaches. Especially when the Saints have had the wool on us for years now, it's pretty bloody obvious Richo has us worked out.

I agree this week Saber.  When things started going south we weren't reactive enough and it got out of hand too quickly.  The coaches should have done something to rectify that.

The players need to take some blame though, as I'm sure they could have worked harder to close up the gaps and put more pressure on.  We allowed them too much easy ball and they certainly worked harder than we did.

[angrydee 842]

The game plan is dependent on effort and hard work. The players didn't bring them and got the result they deserved.

With the exception of very few

 

 

Edited April 30, 2016 by angrydee
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[Phadraig 760]

Were people expecting Truck to just come in and dominate? I was excited to see him play and was a tad disappointed with his game but overall it was a decent debut

[leave it to deever 17,511]

7 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Here is the weekly "give Roos the flick" comment when we lose a game.

Congrats.  You should be very proud.

Sarcasm IS truly the lowest form of wit