Changes v St Kilda

[Little Richard 6,262]

5 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

He would have taken more marks if Maxy had not dropped in front of him 2 or 3 times as well.

That one that Maxy took in front of the big pack, would have been a huge mark if Hogan had ended up with it. Was still big, and we ended up with the best result possible.

[deelighted3 39]

8 minutes ago, stuie said:

18 minutes ago, deelighted3 said:

ANB probably did as well, but it wasnt from seeing the warm up, I was in the bar at that stage. I heard from someone in the know he was completing the full warm up sunday night. 

Seems like a slightly strange thing to do, especially the day after he's played. Can you grill your buddy to see if they know any more about it?

 Like this

He def did the warm up, 100%. 

[Dees2014 2,377]

16 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

You don't always have to let them in the door, though.

If the seniors are playing well then I'd be telling those guys at Casey to keep playing well so when the opportunity arises they are in the frame for selection.  It's not a great message to send to the players that, even if you're playing well, you'll be dropped because someone hit a bit of form at Casey.  

All those you mentioned above are in the frame but would be lucky to get a gig at the moment, and that's a great place for us to be in.

The only player in a bit of danger is Brayshaw.  Outside of that we should stick with the same side.

Someone should certainly be dropped if they don't fit in to the intended match ups. It is about putting the best team on the park to beat the other team. It depends on their strengths and weaknesses.

My only concern about tracca is his tank. I saw Casey on Saturday night, and he was a long way from the best afield (that was Tenners by some distance in a very ordinary display by Casey). I suspect though he is a big occasion player given his underage record, but he did not have a complete pre season, and that is why the selectors are holding him back IMHO.

Nevertheless, I suspect he will play in the seniors this week.

[Mondê 525]

I wouldn't worry too much about Trac's tank. If he gets a game he will play predominately forward, similar role to Gus on Sunday night. 

[stuie 7,374]

26 minutes ago, deelighted3 said:

 

Yeah, I believe you, just interested to hear if your source knew why they did it etc.

Cheers!

 

[Little Richard 6,262]

Petracca for Brayshaw could be the way to go.

ANB must be very close. In for Salem if he doesn't pull up?

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

2 hours ago, stuie said:

We will go smaller and quicker this week, those calling for names like Hunt, Harmes and Kennedy to come out, and even Frost given his speed, have got rocks in their head. Fair chance we will drop a tall, especially if you look at the different lineups we tried at Etihad last year and which ones had some success. ANB a definite chance to come in, Oliver a lock, it's probably close to time for Trac but geez I'm nervous about his first game being on that rubbish surface.

 

You keep going on about the surface as if it's a huge risk to a player who suffered an injury that happened well over a year ago. 

His knee and supporting muscles, tendons and ligaments surrounding it would be far stronger than they've ever been and considering he hasn't had one soft tissue set-back on his road to recovery, (something which is common amongst athletes who suffer serious knee injuries) he couldn't be in a better position in terms of preparedness.

There's no evidence either way that the surface at eitihad poses more of a risk to players coming back from a knee injury. It was a completely innocuous scenario at training and many knee injuries occur under similar circumstance.

It's time for him to be unleashed.

Stop mozzing the guy.

Edited April 26, 2016 by stevethemanjordan

[stuie 7,374]

5 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

You keep going on about the surface as if it's a huge risk to a player who suffered an injury that happened well over a year ago. 

His knee and supporting muscles, tendons and ligaments surrounding it would be far stronger than they've ever been and considering he hasn't had one soft tissue set-back on his road to recovery, (something which is common amongst athletes who suffer serious knee injuries) he couldn't be in a better position in terms of preparedness.

There's no evidence either way that the surface at eitihad poses more of a risk to players coming back from a knee injury. It was a completely innocuous scenario at training and many knee injuries are.

It's time for him to be unleashed.

Stop mozzing the guy.

I want him to play, I think he will play, I'm just nervous.

There has been a lot of talk about that hard surface and it's possible influence on injuries by players, coaches and commentators, so I wouldn't think there was nothing in it. I'm not saying he will do the knee again, more thinking of the impact on it if he's running on a quick hard ground.

Have a read of this....

Etihad Stadium surface too hard for Port Adelaide comeback kid Jared Polec, says coach Ken Hinkley

[nutbean 8,838]

All posters have to do is read the last 2 to 3 weeks on who should be in or who should be out to realise that we no longer have a best 22 but are sitting on about a best 25 or 26, something we have not been able to say for a long time. 

Whoever misses out is going to be unlucky and we won't promote just because someone is playing well at Casey. We will promote and demote because it will make the Melbourne team better. Those knocking the door down at Casey will have to keep knocking until there is an obvious place for them in the team.

[dazzledavey36 54,899]

Interesting to note alot (including myself) all want Petracca to come in for Brayshaw yet it was Trengove who had 30 disposals 10 tackles and 2 goals. Surely Trenners would be ahead of Tracca in terms of form?

[jnrmac 20,060]

3 hours ago, DavidNeitz9 said:

Not sure Bombay, didnt come back on after he went off on Saturday night. I wouldn't risk him after the issues he had with his hammy, give hima weeks rest

Pretty sure he did come back on....

[Buzzy 992]

8 hours ago, AdamFarr said:

Brayshaw for Oliver. Petracca for Pedersen. Another tough one this week.

How could you justify dropping Pedersen before Frost?  

Pedersen has been by far the more consistent player this year.  Supercoach is a pretty effective measure of output:

Pedersen avg 71 (ranked 13th for team) vs  Frost avg 41 (ranked last for team) ... That's a pretty big difference after both have played 4 senior games.

I'm sure Frost has some upside but surely based on importance to the team so far in 2016, Pedersen gets the nod.  He's also one of the very few contested marking players we've got.

[GawnWithTheWind 604]

So, if we look at it purely on form, Brayshaw will make way.

They won't want to upset the winning balance, so it will be someone who can play the HFF/Mid rotation like gus has been playing.

Ins: Trac

Out: Gus

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FB: Jetta - Dunn - H

HB: Salem - McD - Wags

C: Vince - N.Jones - Harmes

HF: Kent - Hogan - Kennedy

FF: Garlett - Pedo - Watts

R: Gawn - Tyson - Viney

I: Trac - Frost - Hunt - Bugg

E: ANB - Trenners - Oliver

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Match-ups:

T-MAC - Nick

Dunn - Bruce

Wags - McCartin

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

30 minutes ago, stuie said:

I want him to play, I think he will play, I'm just nervous.

There has been a lot of talk about that hard surface and it's possible influence on injuries by players, coaches and commentators, so I wouldn't think there was nothing in it. I'm not saying he will do the knee again, more thinking of the impact on it if he's running on a quick hard ground.

Have a read of this....

Etihad Stadium surface too hard for Port Adelaide comeback kid Jared Polec, says coach Ken Hinkley

I understand what you're saying, I just don't think it's worth worrying about such things.

Injury occurs from things like fatigue, completely random/innocuous and unlucky situations, an imbalance in the physiology of an individual etc.

There are risks involved in all of them. And in all of life. 

You may as well be closing your eyes and crossing your fingers every time he dons the Casey jumper, trains, is in the weights room, fornicates etc.

He'll be fine Stu.

Play on.

 

Edited April 26, 2016 by stevethemanjordan

[stuie 7,374]

Just now, stevethemanjordan said:

You may as well be closing your eyes and crossing your fingers every time he dons the Casey jumper, trains, is in the weights room, fornicates etc.
 

I pretty much do......

Just hard to accept good things can happen sometimes when you're a Dees supporter!

I wouldn't think he'd debut at Metricon, and surely wouldn't have to wait another two weeks, so looks like we all get our wish this week anyways.

 

[binman 42,928]

19 minutes ago, GawnWithTheWind said:

So, if we look at it purely on form, Brayshaw will make way.

They won't want to upset the winning balance, so it will be someone who can play the HFF/Mid rotation like gus has been playing.

Ins: Trac

Out: Gus

I agree with this, partly.

I think M Jones will come back in. His two way running is an important piece in our puzzle, particularly against the saints as they have a similar game plan and the ball will be pinging from end to end all game, putting a premium on  players who can gut run to defend against the ball that gets over our high press (by the by Hunt's speed has been very important in this regard as has Frost's fitness).

Not sure who gets cut for Jones though. 

 

Edited April 26, 2016 by binman

[H_T 3,044]

GWS split St.Kilda open with great ball movement, and their midfield outran St.Kilda. We should do similar. I see St.Kilda's injuries might see an important change or two. Montagna (hamstring) and Riewoldt has some form of foot complaint - unsure how serious. 

I think Petracca would have to come in. A half forward-mid role, I could see him replacing Frost who seems ok defensively, but his conversion for goal lets him down. ANd he basically doesn't get enough of it. Christian would be a more dangerous option for the opposition. Plus it would give us more diversity - meaning a thumping headache for opposition tacticians.

The other option is the return of Oliver. He's important for us at clearances. We can't ignore that. I thought he should have been in for Richmond; so he comes in. "The out" for him I'm unsure. Many have said Brayshaw, who I thought was notably better than he was first time around v Essendon. I would say either one of Kennedy or Brayshaw. 

I think Hunt is required, he offers a lot for us and I can only see further improvement with him. He's smart with the footy too. Wagner will also be required IMO, much the same with improvement and confidence. 

What Brayshaw offers us though is poise when he has possession. They both offer good defensive pressure, Kennedy more speed, and spreads well. Either of the them would be stiff. 

I'll say Kennedy out. And I don't like saying that at all. 

Trengove is getting closer and closer, don't be surprised if he's called up after a 4 quarter performance v Willy. Grimes is another who handled himself well.

There is rumour Salem might not get up, - not 100%. If this is the case perhaps Grimes or Trengove to come back.

What I will say, and I mean no disrespect to McDonald, this is constructive criticism. Buddy, clean up your kicking and decision making. Honestly.....brilliant reader of play and great overhead mark contested. But just let's himself, his teammates and club down with some poor decisions through either lack of vision or lack of understanding on the risk followed by poor disposal. More often than not he gets it right, but when he gets it wrong, it crucifies us.

Edited April 26, 2016 by H_T
Info on Salem

[Deespicable 2,726]

It's great that this thread has almost become redundant and now those calling for a change almost look ridiculously vindictive. 

It just shows that we finally have a squad of 26-30, who all legitimately bring something to the table, and they are probably more reasons now for them  to play than not play, but unfortunately only 22 get a gig and the incumbents generally hold sway when sides are winning.

But whilst it wouldn't surprise me to see the big NO CHANGE sticker out for Saturday, I reckon there may be just one change.

There are three midfield/forwards who have arguably the strongest claims on getting a gig.

1) Oliver - He was rested last week after a slightly less dominant clearance game against the Pies. The problem with resting is that the one aspect of Oliver's game that needs a little work on - his run and carry - isn't really tested by watching from the stands, although I imagine he will have picked up a few tips on what's required as he watched with the coaching staff.

2) Neal-Bullen - After three huge VFL games he was given the dreaded 23rd man role (not sure why Oliver couldn't have performed this role and still rested). Anyway the 23rd is like the death card because you can't improve your chance by the VFL and as a result seem to fall back in the queue - just ask Grimes (23rd v North), Stretch (23rd v Pies).

3) Petracca - Roosy was at the Pies game when he showed he was way too good for VFL in the first quarter and unfortunately he has had to do a longer apprenticeship than he'd like. Remember poor Tom Mitchell for the Swans - he had about four weeks of 40-plus disposal games in the NEAFL and was the subject of trade bait before finally getting a gig in the seniors and I don't think he's missed a game since. It didn't really hurt his development after all.

Quite clearly it will be hard for any one of these three to get a game at the expense of others this week and as a result my feeling is that only one at most will play. I'm tipping CP5 but it could just as easily be ANB or Clarry.

And then it gets really hard to figure who comes out. I don't even want to go there, because it's way too spiteful and whoever you throw up has very strong claims for remaining.

 

[Go the Biff 3,420]

3 hours ago, DavidNeitz9 said:

Not sure Bombay, didnt come back on after he went off on Saturday night. I wouldn't risk him after the issues he had with his hammy, give hima weeks rest

 

That's just incorrect. Salem came up for treatment / assessment, warmed up along the boundary (in front of where I was sitting) and went back on. Was still on when the final siren sounded.

FWIW one of the radio stations said he'd gone off with what appeared to be a hamstring injury.

Can't have been much in it if he played the game out

[hemingway 7,627]

On 4/25/2016 at 11:13 AM, bandicoot said:

Not too sure if Brayshaw is injured however if he isn't then keep in in the side. Let him get match fitness by playing. 

Only change might be Hunt or harmes out for petracca. Otherwise keep side as is...

Agree on Brayshaw, just such a competitive and smart footballer that does the little things so well. For mine i would keep the side together unless there in injury, soreness or forced absence.  

[Ted Lasso 19,514]

I'm betting Trenners is much closer than people think, next week against the gold coast is a good chance imo

[Little Richard 6,262]

3 minutes ago, Peter Griffen said:

I'm betting Trenners is much closer than people think, next week against the gold coast is a good chance imo

Maybe even this week, though probably not.

There is only a 5 day break between the matches, so I think we could end up seeing a few changes depending on how the players recover. 

[stuie 7,374]

4 minutes ago, Peter Griffen said:

I'm betting Trenners is much closer than people think, next week against the gold coast is a good chance imo

Save him for the week after, home game at the G against the Dogs. Can you imagine the noise when he runs on for the first time?!

 

[Adam The God 30,243]

1 hour ago, Buzzy said:

How could you justify dropping Pedersen before Frost?  

Pedersen has been by far the more consistent player this year.  Supercoach is a pretty effective measure of output:

Pedersen avg 71 (ranked 13th for team) vs  Frost avg 41 (ranked last for team) ... That's a pretty big difference after both have played 4 senior games.

I'm sure Frost has some upside but surely based on importance to the team so far in 2016, Pedersen gets the nod.  He's also one of the very few contested marking players we've got.

Because Frost can apply pressure in our high forward press and then has the legspeed to get out the back as he showed a couple of times on Sunday night.

I like Pedersen. For me he's a better option than Dawes in this team, but he doesn't have the legspeed for the game we're playing. I don't find that Supercoach is effective at all in measuring a player's worth, but each to their own. Given our depth, I'd be swapping Petracca for Pedersen, who will play just as tall as Pedersen, but will get it done when the ball hits the ground.

Edited April 26, 2016 by AdamFarr

[Vipercrunch 2,827]

Possible Ins: Oliver, M Jones, Petracca, ANB, Tren

Possible Outs: Frost, BenKen, Hunt, Brayshaw, Harmes

Can't see us making more than 3 changes.

I missed seeing Oliver do his thing, very keen of course to see Petracca and have been very impressed with M. Jones this year, so I'd like to see them all in at the expense of Frost, Brayshaw and one of BenKen or Hunt.