11 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

The age factor is there but let's say we got him very cheap DS and Weid (just speculating) is a bust after another 8 games or so of trialling in 2020.  No Bull Smith.  We are starting to plumb the depths a little in terms of support for T-Mac in the KF stakes.  And what if he Tommy doesn't cut the mustard in 2020 or incurs a new injury?  Not saying he will and hoping otherwise but need to look at the  "what ifs".  Especially MFC luck with injuries, anything's possible.

If we got two reasonable years and an improvement on what the Weid brings at the moment?  All stats point to a fair upgrade in comparison.  Might be the difference between a bounce vs a slim finals shot next season?  Two years max on small coin and we have some KF depth/insurance.  Maybe a win win?  Normally i wouldn't even consider JJ but beggars can't be choosers and in JJ's case there's no begging.  He wants out!...

 https://www.afl.com.au/stats/stats-pro#/Compare?playerIds=CD_I294828,CD_I993806&comparisonTab=h2h

He's going to give up money and be a cheap trade to bring in but that means he'll have an expectation that he'll play in and contribute to a good side, otherwise he's almost better off staying at the Crows and getting his cash. So what happens if he starts to struggle as most limited 31 year old key forwards do. He bounces in and out of the side with Weid? That doesn't help the team or Weid's development.

The only stat he clearly outranks Weideman in is goals where he's 2 a game v Sam's 1 a game. An extra goal a week is nice but I think Sam could get to a 1.5 goals a game pretty easily and can do more with bringing team mates in to the game and that's without even making a big leap in improvement.

We can't be operating under the expectation of a string of injuries, we have to at least assume a group of T Mc, Weid, Petty with some subpar but interesting options in J Smith and Preuss get through a fair chunk of the season. Give me at least 1 of the first 3 guys every week and pinch hit with one of the latter 2 if needed is what I'd do. Plus a kid or state league depth option with upside. 

If the current crop isn't working then I think we'll have to go hard at a permanent replacement and Jenkins is just wasting money and resources if that's the case. 

18 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

He'll be 31, not chasing, not tackling, not crashing packs, bobbing up on twitter and SEN whilst playing for Casey.

I don't care if he cost 500k or 5k I don't see the appeal.

Take the chance with an athletic junior or state league player and save the cash for a shot at Ben King if Weid or Petty don't work out.

Took the words right out of my mouth DeeSpencer.

He's done. I wouldn't be surprised if no other club shows any interest. 1 tackle per game & 1 contested mark per game.....

Give me a break. The Melb recruiters are a bit smarter than that......(I hope)

5 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

He's going to give up money and be a cheap trade to bring in but that means he'll have an expectation that he'll play in and contribute to a good side, otherwise he's almost better off staying at the Crows and getting his cash. So what happens if he starts to struggle as most limited 31 year old key forwards do. He bounces in and out of the side with Weid? That doesn't help the team or Weid's development. 

One thing unmentioned is his debut in 2012 at the age of 23. So It's not as if he's been in the system for that long. Perhaps that could help longevity re risk of slow down. We just lost a 28 year old KPF just above peak age, that had only been in the system for 2 years. So it's fickle as to who can impact at what age, who can have a prolonged career and who can't. A proven track record of games played per season, goals kicked and a lack of injury history could work in his favor, even for a 31 year old next season.

Edited September 27, 20196 yr by John Demonic

Crows look like turning over a lot of senior players this trade period. Will be very interesting to watch.

Jenkins, Betts, Ellis-Yolman, Jacobs, Greenwood Crouch and Keith. With Ottens and Douglas finishing up as well.

3 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Crows look like turning over a lot of senior players this trade period. Will be very interesting to watch.

Jenkins, Betts, Ellis-Yolman, Jacobs, Greenwood Crouch and Keith. With Ottens and Douglas finishing up as well.

Bottom 4 next year, you reckon, mate?

Often happens when you lose that much experience.

Depends who they replace them with I suppose.

Edited September 29, 20196 yr by A F

2 minutes ago, A F said:

Bottom 4 next year, you reckon, mate?

Often happens when you lose that much experience.

Depends who they replace them with I suppose.

Dont know about bottom 4.

They are looking at a young ruck from Port Adelaide, Billy Frampton. Not sure who else, but they will certainly not be quiet during draft week/s

On 9/27/2019 at 2:39 PM, Demon Disciple said:

It might just be me, but i feel that Weids doubts his own ability. Someone at the club needs to sit him down a continually show him his games in the finals last year.

 

Agree. He is a confidence player

 Whilst I agree the club can help with getting him in the right mindset, he needs to find needs an intrinsic capacity to get himself psychologically ready.

A poor mans Juice Newton. I'd rather we rookie Juice or Fevola. 

 

if you believe kornes - and really, why wouldn't you take everything that bastion of truth says seriously? - then jj is owed $1.6m over the next two years

no one wants to pay him

3 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

if you believe kornes - and really, why wouldn't you take everything that bastion of truth says seriously? - then jj is owed $1.6m over the next two years

no one wants to pay him

Even if the Crows were happy to pay $1.2m of the $1.6m WW??

On 9/30/2019 at 6:42 AM, chookrat said:

A poor mans Juice Newton. I'd rather we rookie Juice or Fevola. 

When did Juice Newton achieve anything at senior level like this?

-Josh Jenkins averaged two goals per game this year and booted at least 40 goals each season between 2014-2018. 

51 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Even if the Crows were happy to pay $1.2m of the $1.6m WW??

What the hell? no way he is worth that ?

Let the Crows pay his huge $$$ pay rate.  They are rabble.  No club should take him on, not even the Suns.  

8 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Let the Crows pay his huge $$$ pay rate.  They are rabble.  No club should take him on, not even the Suns.  

They'll be paying at least some if it either way, Jay Clark reporting this morning that if a club picks him up they may get him for as low as 200k per season.

 

58 minutes ago, deebug said:

What the hell? no way he is worth that ?

Might want to Refer to post i was responding to DB

1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Let the Crows pay his huge $$$ pay rate.  They are rabble.  No club should take him on, not even the Suns.  

Ross Lyon didn’t even turn up to his interview for the senior coaching gig. 

At $200k per season it is probably worth a late pick. Not much risk involved.

35 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Ross Lyon didn’t even turn up to his interview for the senior coaching gig. 

Did he have an interview planned ?

have we been linked with Jenkins? Did I miss something?

56 minutes ago, Yung Blood said:

have we been linked with Jenkins? Did I miss something?

Nobody is at this point YB.

3 hours ago, Tough Kent said:

When did Juice Newton achieve anything at senior level like this?

-Josh Jenkins averaged two goals per game this year and booted at least 40 goals each season between 2014-2018. 

I think you need to get with the program

3 hours ago, Tough Kent said:

When did Juice Newton achieve anything at senior level like this?

-Josh Jenkins averaged two goals per game this year and booted at least 40 goals each season between 2014-2018. 

Hold on . Didn't Juice Newton kick 5 goals in the first quarter against North at Etihad one year as well as take what should have been the mark of the year in the same game??

 

 

1 hour ago, pineapple dee said:

Hold on . Didn't Juice Newton kick 5 goals in the first quarter against North at Etihad one year as well as take what should have been the mark of the year in the same game??

 

 

He kicked 3 against Carlton once. Does that count? That was a great grab though.

Edited October 9, 20196 yr by Tough Kent

A whisper or two that JJ might be heading to the filth but surely they'd need to offload Cox ...or someone, if that is the case.