2014 recruiting creating a dynasty

[Its Time for Another 4,305]

It's beginning to look like the group we brought in are going to create a Geelong 2000 like dynasty.  You can effectively add Jesse H into that group as he debuted with them.  

Traded in

Jeff Garlett  ( Had a few behavioural question marks and was coming off an ordinary season, by his standards.) GUN!!

Heritier Lumumba (Carried ankle injuries in his first year, so juries out. Will know by the end of the year but reports are promising)

Sam Frost  (Injury ruined first year. Looks like he will hold down a position in the team for the time being.) Juries out. 

Ben Newton (Free Agent) (Started to show very promising signs in the last few games.) Juries out

Drafted

Christian Petracca  Going to be an absolute gun. Special X factor

Angus Brayshaw     GUN!!

Alex Neal Bullen      Bit of a smokey  and a surprise at such a late pick. Got much more game time than expected in first year and showed                                       he's going to be a solid long term contributor.

Billy Stretch             Same as above except not smokey as was Father Son

Oscar McDonald

Rookie Draft

Aaron vandenBurg GUN!!

Mitch White           Shows great promise off half back. Tall, athletic, skilled. Plenty of development to go.

[dazzledavey36 55,992]

We created the dynasty soon as we appointed Jason Taylor.

[jayceebee31 768]

Good summary and I think Oscar could end up being a GUN also

[Chook 15,023]

I don't want a dynasty. I just want 1 premiership and then obscurity for the next ten years. Is that too much to ask?

[Cheesy D. Pun 1,765]

Big call. Let's make our way from useless to mediocre before we go calling 'dynasty.'

[Sir Why You Little 37,342]

Far too early to make this call

i want to see results first. 

[Ricky P 757]

21 minutes ago, It's Time said:

It's beginning to look like the group we brought in are going to create a Geelong 2000 like dynasty.  You can effectively add Jesse H into that group as he debuted with them.  

Traded in

Jeff Garlett  ( Had a few behavioural question marks and was coming off an ordinary season, by his standards.) GUN!!

Heritier Lumumba (Carried ankle injuries in his first year, so juries out. Will know by the end of the year but reports are promising)

Sam Frost  (Injury ruined first year. Looks like he will hold down a position in the team for the time being.) Juries out. 

Ben Newton (Free Agent) (Started to show very promising signs in the last few games.) Juries out

Drafted

Christian Petracca  Going to be an absolute gun. Special X factor

Angus Brayshaw     GUN!!

Alex Neal Bullen      Bit of a smokey  and a surprise at such a late pick. Got much more game time than expected in first year and showed                                       he's going to be a solid long term contributor.

Billy Stretch             Same as above except not smokey as was Father Son

Oscar McDonald

Lol.

We never learn.

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

i get it, but we have won 3 NAB cup games. Wins were great, improvement is great; but let's wait to the real stuff and not making comparisons to the success of some of the great teams just yet. 

[jayceebee31 768]

Good summary and I think Oscar could end up being a GUN also

[dee-luded 2,959]

5 hours ago, It's Time said:

It's beginning to look like the group we brought in are going to create a Geelong 2000 like dynasty.  You can effectively add Jesse H into that group as he debuted with them.  

Traded in

Jeff Garlett  ( Had a few behavioural question marks and was coming off an ordinary season, by his standards.) GUN!!

Heritier Lumumba (Carried ankle injuries in his first year, so juries out. Will know by the end of the year but reports are promising)

Sam Frost  (Injury ruined first year. Looks like he will hold down a position in the team for the time being.) Juries out. 

Ben Newton (Free Agent) (Started to show very promising signs in the last few games.) Juries out

Drafted

Christian Petracca  Going to be an absolute gun. Special X factor

Angus Brayshaw     GUN!!

Alex Neal Bullen      Bit of a smokey  and a surprise at such a late pick. Got much more game time than expected in first year and showed                                       he's going to be a solid long term contributor.

Billy Stretch             Same as above except not smokey as was Father Son

Oscar McDonald

 

 

5 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

We created the dynasty soon as we appointed Jason Taylor.

 

well,,, we started creating a Dynasty in 2008 when we started recruiting early draft picks & proceeded to gift them games & tell them just how good they were about to be.   that really worked well.

 

..........  lets not start pumping up tyres like this again... we might endup having a blowout along the road.

[What 18,810]

And some people in the media wonder why Paul Roos is paid what he is.

Worth every penny n then some.

[Moonshadow 17,678]

1 hour ago, Chook said:

I don't want a dynasty. I just want 1 premiership and then obscurity for the next ten years. Is that too much to ask?

I want 3 flags over ten years. That way we will be close to becoming a power club that can pizz all over Eddiewood, Hawks and the Cats. One flag is not enough to ensure our survival. No going back.

[Demi Dee 578]

8 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

I want 3 flags over ten years. That way we will be close to becoming a power club that can pizz all over Eddiewood, Hawks and the Cats. One flag is not enough to ensure our survival. No going back.

Why stop there? Let's not miss the one in the middle this time. 

[Its Time for Another 4,305]

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Far too early to make this call

i want to see results first. 

The topics about the quality of this one draft group. Not necessarily how many Premierships we are going to win. We need a lot more than just this group to make that happen and quite a few of the others are starting to emerge. I just think it's proving to be a particularly good group of quality players all of whom look like they are going to make it and who play all over the ground and have given real depth and skill to the team. Especially relevant in light of previous recruiting and drafting.

[Cranky Franky 2,242]

1 hour ago, jayceebee31 said:

Good summary and I think Oscar could end up being a GUN also

You are kidding - Oscar looks barely capable of playing VFL at the moment.  He has a long, long, long, long way to go.

[Sir Why You Little 37,342]

6 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

I want 3 flags over ten years. That way we will be close to becoming a power club that can pizz all over Eddiewood, Hawks and the Cats. One flag is not enough to ensure our survival. No going back.

I want Multiple Consecutive Flags

There are many opponents i want to smash...

[Skuit 10,031]

We're all quite rightly in a buoyant mood but someone around here is going to be cynical so I may as well give it a shot. This is not a knock on Taylor but to praise him and the recruiters for recruiting a dynasty is rather overblown. Frawley walked. No big decision and we were fortunate to score a number 3 pick because we had been crap. (See also pick 2). Petracca and Brayshaw were touted as the best mids available. St Kilda needed a KPF and allowed us to select both. No decision making necessary. 

Again, in ways, we were lucky (in the end at least) to receive some currency for Mitch Clarke. We spent it on Lumumba who has performed well down on expectations. We scored Bernie for around the same pick the year before. He may come good, but part of our dynasty?

Garlett's abilities were clear so there was no genius involved in identifying untapped talent and there were evident reasons for his downturn in form. We took a punt on behavioral issues. It has proved a good punt to date but we also benefited from mad Mick throwing him away for the proverbial packet of chips to make a statement.

We paid for Sam Frost with an early second-rounder (again around the Bernie mark). He may become a useful addition but he's a long way from being identifiable as a future dynasty utility or KPP at this stage. We did get some later picks in return. ANB and OMac both slid from memory. Again, fortunate, if they prove to be decent selections. There are some okay signs but again we're along way from discussing them as components of any speculated dynasty. Ditto Stretch, a father son (can't recall where he was bid) who is also yet to fully force his way into the team.

Newton seems a good pick up for free to add some depth. Great recruitment is relative to making tough, seemingly speculative calls (Oliver) and the currency available. Our rookie drafting was excellent.

 

[Gorgoroth 13,188]

lol, seriously?

How about we let these players actually do something and maybe we also wait til we have won 15 games in the year.

Sone show some promise, but at the moment the word dynasty should not be uttered anywhere near these players and this club.

Start talking Dynasty after winning a flag.

no one talks about the saints of a few years ago.

[jayceebee31 768]

22 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

You are kidding - Oscar looks barely capable of playing VFL at the moment.  He has a long, long, long, long way to go.

Agree....But.....he will play Firsts at Casey and has a long way to go, like his brother.....but I still l believe he will still become a gun...look,at Gawn as an example...

 

another example is Dunn.

[poita 3,924]

How ridiculous. You've listed ten players, only 3 of whom played on the weekend. Brayshaw and Garlett are the only ones currently clearly in our best 22, which means 8 who are not. How that equates to a dynasty is well and truly beyond my powers of comprehension.

[FarNorthernD 5,861]

23 minutes ago, Skuit said:

We're all quite rightly in a buoyant mood but someone around here is going to be cynical so I may as well give it a shot. This is not a knock on Taylor but to praise him and the recruiters for recruiting a dynasty is rather overblown. Frawley walked. No big decision and we were fortunate to score a number 3 pick because we had been crap. (See also pick 2). Petracca and Brayshaw were touted as the best mids available. St Kilda needed a KPF and allowed us to select both. No decision making necessary. 

Again, in ways, we were lucky (in the end at least) to receive some currency for Mitch Clarke. We spent it on Lumumba who has performed well down on expectations. We scored Bernie for around the same pick the year before. He may come good, but part of our dynasty?

Garlett's abilities were clear so there was no genius involved in identifying untapped talent and there were evident reasons for his downturn in form. We took a punt on behavioral issues. It has proved a good punt to date but we also benefited from mad Mick throwing him away for the proverbial packet of chips to make a statement.

We paid for Sam Frost with an early second-rounder (again around the Bernie mark). He may become a useful addition but he's a long way from being identifiable as a future dynasty utility or KPP at this stage. We did get some later picks in return. ANB and OMac both slid from memory. Again, fortunate, if they prove to be decent selections. There are some okay signs but again we're along way from discussing them as components of any speculated dynasty. Ditto Stretch, a father son (can't recall where he was bid) who is also yet to fully force his way into the team.

Newton seems a good pick up for free to add some depth. Great recruitment is relative to making tough, seemingly speculative calls (Oliver) and the currency available. Our rookie drafting was excellent.

 

 

That is a fair summary.

However we all know that the Melbourne of old would have still managed to completely foof up picks 2 & 3 from 2014 and then gone on to pick Parish over Oliver this year. At least the current regime actually has a plan and knows what they are doing

[Its Time for Another 4,305]

34 minutes ago, Skuit said:

We're all quite rightly in a buoyant mood but someone around here is going to be cynical so I may as well give it a shot. This is not a knock on Taylor but to praise him and the recruiters for recruiting a dynasty is rather overblown. Frawley walked. No big decision and we were fortunate to score a number 3 pick because we had been crap. (See also pick 2). Petracca and Brayshaw were touted as the best mids available. St Kilda needed a KPF and allowed us to select both. No decision making necessary. 

Again, in ways, we were lucky (in the end at least) to receive some currency for Mitch Clarke. We spent it on Lumumba who has performed well down on expectations. We scored Bernie for around the same pick the year before. He may come good, but part of our dynasty?

Garlett's abilities were clear so there was no genius involved in identifying untapped talent and there were evident reasons for his downturn in form. We took a punt on behavioral issues. It has proved a good punt to date but we also benefited from mad Mick throwing him away for the proverbial packet of chips to make a statement.

We paid for Sam Frost with an early second-rounder (again around the Bernie mark). He may become a useful addition but he's a long way from being identifiable as a future dynasty utility or KPP at this stage. We did get some later picks in return. ANB and OMac both slid from memory. Again, fortunate, if they prove to be decent selections. There are some okay signs but again we're along way from discussing them as components of any speculated dynasty. Ditto Stretch, a father son (can't recall where he was bid) who is also yet to fully force his way into the team.

Newton seems a good pick up for free to add some depth. Great recruitment is relative to making tough, seemingly speculative calls (Oliver) and the currency available. Our rookie drafting was excellent.

 

Not sure why you've taken this topic to be a discussion about how well Jason Taylor does his job. It's about the players. I agree there's lots of luck involved, always is. It's irrelevant to whether this group are all going to be the makings of a solid team for the next ten years.

I'm sure you don't have to lecture people on here about luck in drafting. 2003 we have picks 3 &5 and picked the best available, who to this day look like they were about right. Who were they? Sylvia and McLean. The next year the Hawks have basically the same draft picks and who are best available?  Roughead and Buddy. If they'd been available a year earlier who knows where we would be now. Although knowing the recruiters at the time they probably wouldn't have picked either.

It was luck Petracca and Brayshaw were available in this draft. I agree it was luck the Saints went McCartin but that's the way it happened.  If we'd had those picks this year the result wouldn't have been as good. Who cares. You can go mad thinking about all the reasons why. I'm happy just to accept they've arrived and what they have to offer not who should or shouldn't take credit. 

[Its Time for Another 4,305]

22 minutes ago, poita said:

How ridiculous. You've listed ten players, only 3 of whom played on the weekend. Brayshaw and Garlett are the only ones currently clearly in our best 22, which means 8 who are not. How that equates to a dynasty is well and truly beyond my powers of comprehension.

I can see that. 

[Skuit 10,031]

I think the recent recruitment team has been fantastic for the most part. But we're talking 2014 and most of it is a matter of just doing their jobs (which maybe we are blinded of based on past failures). I won't criticise the selection of Lumumba and Frost because we identified list holes and attempted to fill them rather than perhaps seek the best all-round available for the coin we spent - but while they may yet come good, both are not currently a recruitment success.

[Skuit 10,031]

2 minutes ago, It's Time said:

Not sure why you've taken this topic to be a discussion about how well Jason Taylor does his job.

Something about the thread title 'recruiting creating a dynasty' may have misled me. Apologies.