Kieren Collins

[Whispering_Jack 30,239]

By popular demand -

[What 18,810]

He isnt going at pick 3 or 7, and we aren't in desperate need of key defender. So unless he slips to our third pick, he isnt coming to the MFC.

Having said that he has a ridiculously large frame for a 17 year old. Some team is gonna be very happy to draft him.

[DeeSpencer 25,723]

I'm a bit doubtful on if he has the skills or athleticism for a first round pick yet alone a top 10 pick. But he does look very big, strong and competitive.

I reckon the Dogs would be over the moon if he lasted to their picks in the 20's. The Hawks might be keen with their 2 late teen picks to get a Lake replacement. Carlton could grab him as well, especially if they see Wietering as a CHF.

[Biffen 12,944]

He kicks a long way, to a target, with little effort.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,242]

Jesus, how big is that kid? He's built like an Islander!!

[Biffen 12,944]

Jesus, how big is that kid? He's built like an Islander!!

Might be related to Bill?

[Redleg 40,974]

Turns 18 in December.

[Yossarian 1,820]

Isn't Collins the defender Weideman kicked 5 goals on in his return game?

[M C 221]

looks about 30

[Demon Disciple 12,180]

Jesus, how big is that kid? He's built like an Islander!!

He reminds me of Ben Rutten, with his build, yet seems a bit more athletic.

[ILLDieADemon 804]

No more Backman please, we have massive big holes in our forward line that need to be filled.

[ChaserJ 5,098]

There's a lot of Brian Lake in how he plays. I would have had him just inside my top ten earlier in the year. Other's have bobbed up since, but he probably only lost one individual battle this year and that was against Weideman, Weideman kicked 5, but even then I understand that Collins still played pretty well and some thought he broke even.

Watched him towel up Schache a couple of times. Reads the ball well, decent pace, makes good decisions and kicks well. I reckon he probably on plays as a backman at the next level, but he'll be a very good one.

I wouldn't be against picking Collins at 7 IF Curnow & Weideman are off the board. Would take him ahead of Francis, who's a possible flight risk.

[DeeMfc 621]

Bombers are very keen on him. Could take him with their 2nd pick.

[dazzledavey36 55,001]

Trained at the Dees as part of his AIS scholarship along with Josh Schache and Harley Balic.

A lot of Darren Glass in the way he plays but I don't think we need any more backline players considering we have Frost who is a monster and Oscar McDonald who is developing fine and showed real promise down back.

[DeeMfc 621]

Trained at the Dees as part of his AIS scholarship along with Josh Schache and Harley Balic.

A lot of Darren Glass in the way he plays but I don't think we need any more backline players considering we have Frost who is a monster and Oscar McDonald who is developing fine and showed real promise down back.

Agreed.

Unless Frost goes forward as Hogan said he would in a recent interview.

[Pennant St Dee 13,241]

Saw him against WA in Championships and was impressed , think I mentioned him a bit in the write up. Was good at intercept marking and for a big guy was clean below his knees. Not sure he is a pick 7 unless we are looking tall and the rest as in Weideman, Francis & Curnow are gone

[ChaserJ 5,098]

Agreed.

Unless Frost goes forward as Hogan said he would in a recent interview.

Or we think Joel Smith has an exceptionally bright future...

[ChaserJ 5,098]

Saw him against WA in Championships and was impressed , think I mentioned him a bit in the write up. Was good at intercept marking and for a big guy was clean below his knees. Not sure he is a pick 7 unless we are looking tall and the rest as in Weideman, Francis & Curnow are gone

I initially thought Collins was 3rd preference if Curnow & Weideman were gone at our pick (and we selected Parish).

Genuinely think there's a chance we load up on a key fwd AND a key back and go for a Curnow/Collins combination.

[mo64 5,875]

I could see GC taking him at 6, but would be staggered if we took him at 7. GC clearly have a player in mind who they knew will slide past 3 to 6. Parish, Francis, Curnow and Weideman could all potentially go at 3,4,5. We may know who that player is, hence we were desperate to get pick 7, knowing one of the four mentioned would still be available.

Edited October 26, 2015 by mo64

[Whispering_Jack 30,239]

If he's considered by our recruiting people as the best available at 7 then the fact that he's a KPD rather than a KPF should make no difference.

As it is we have a range of options for the key forward positions apart from the routine Dawes and Pedersen. Frost has been mentioned above and there are the McDonalds with Max King in the wings. Versatility is the key and I really do like the look of Collins - he's a footballer.

That said, I'm still in favour of going for midfielders with both early picks.

[mo64 5,875]

If he's considered by our recruiting people as the best available at 7 then the fact that he's a KPD rather than a KPF should make no difference.

As it is we have a range of options for the key forward positions apart from the routine Dawes and Pedersen. Frost has been mentioned above and there are the McDonalds with Max King in the wings. Versatility is the key and I really do like the look of Collins - he's a footballer.

That said, I'm still in favour of going for midfielders with both early picks.

I disagree. Can't think of too many key backmen who convert to become a good key forward. People are overrating Frost as a forward. He competes well, but has poor skills. Max King may be a long term prospect, but aside from Hogan, that's were our potential key forward stocks end.

[Pennant St Dee 13,241]

From other threads I see we may be having a look at Collins, just checked back on the U/18 National Champs thread and cut and pasted from my observations from the WA vs Vic Country match below. Have bolded some of the players who may come into consideration

WA vs Vic Country

Well sorry for the delay in getting this out but have between busy afternoon and computer problems only getting onto it now. Schache was outstanding from the very outset, loved his strength in contested marking situations and his awareness to lead hard when the opportunity arose, delivery to space from Matheson, Sympkin, Ainsworth, Holmes, Tucker left the defender with no chance. Schache showed some arrogance at times which I think is a good quality in a young forward. Ah Chee up forward for WA had limited opportunity but he is a gun and will be sought after due to his ability to turn a game from limited opportunities. Really liked teh defensive work of Collins who is a big boy and was surprisingly very clean below his knees and made good decisions by foot. WA had solid contributions from Jimmy Harrold and Hinchcliffe all day long but the WA boys lacked depth through the middle and it is no surprise their best period in the game came in the third when Pepper-Powell, Clark and Hinchcliffe were all winning the clearances with Goddard being the better ruckman on the ground as he was for the day. Some notes of interest

First Quarter:

• Schache shows strength holding front position with a high floating ball delivered in quickly but not effectively, Schache positioned his body well enough to hold off defender and take a strong mark above his head. Unfortunately put the ball to the wrong side, although I do like his smooth kicking action
• 2 very solid pressure efforts inside forward 50m from Eades resulted in turnover and goal
• WA turnover ball forward of centre wing and ball ends up in hands of Sympkin who after short run sees strong lead from Schache who starts lead as soon as he sees turnover. Sympkins perfect pass lands on chest of Schache with defender trailing behind him
• Another WA turnover ends up in hands of Darcy Tucker who after quick 1-2 gathers with great run and delivers a long pass over defenders to top of square where Schache who is moving backwards and has presence of mind to use body to hold off full back and bring ball to ground for crumbing forward to goal. Not certain but think the goal was by Number 28
• very brave effort by Harrold takes strong contested mark backing in at half back and takes off to deliver a quality 35/40m pass to chest of leading HF
• strong effort inside forward 50 by Sympkin, gathers loose ball with pace and makes early decision to kick a goal from 40m out on the boundary. Great skill, confidence and poise shown with this effort and approx 10 secs before it was Sympkins hard effort at half forward which caused the spillage when WA were breaking away from defence
• really strong tackle and turnover by Costigan was a great effort which was not backed up by a poor turnover when going into corridor with other available options on win
• Good mark by Vic forward Skinner with strong hands and body strength getting front position although IMO WA defender Mirco should have done better, tried to contest the mark from behind when the obvious option was to punch
• Hinchliffe shows coolness under pressure in heavy traffic inside defensive 50 before delivering a quality 35m pass to teammate to relieve pressure
• Tucker again runs off half back to wing and at pace delivers perfectly weighted and depth pass to leading Schache
• Hinchliffe again good in traffic with poise and hard run in own defensive 50 before clearing down the boundary to advantage of leading HF

Best 1st quarter

Vic Country - Schache, Sympkin, Tucker, Holmes

WA - Hinchcliffe, Harrold, Goddard

2nd Quarter

• Goddard continues to get better of ruck and is also backing up with some good second efforts around the clearances
• Matheson and Holmes dominating from centre despite Goddard winning hitouts
• Harrold backs into contest and takes a quality mark in front of Schache in defensive 50m before giving off pass and continuing with run and providing outlet option
• Ah Chee takes a good mark at full forward uses smarts to leap early and get advantage over much taller opponent
• Watson shows a lot with several second efforts, backing into packs without questions
• Collins big half back who shows good clean hands below knees, on one occasion with WA breaking and wide open forward 50 behind him, Collins is decisive in trapping low delivery to leading forward forward before gathering and disposing with neat kick into corridor, Collins continues with momentum receives handball which he handballs to HFF resulting in inside 50 to contest at top of square.
• Schache again takes mark with strong lead early to lose defender into forward pocket, realises quickly better option and delivers pinpoint pass to team mate who goals
• Ridley and Clark getting involved and starting to deliver some good isnide 50's for WA but Vic defenders Collins and Wietering either marking or knocking to advantage Tucker and Matheison exceptional at ground level to clear and set up attacks
• Watson great second efforts after strong defensive spoil falls to Vic advantage, 2nd effort results in turnover and WA relieving pressure
• Hinchcliffe again brave floating across bigpack at halfback to take relieving mark
• Ainsworth outmarks taller opponent with good judgement and positioning sense
• Ainsworth busy and applying forward pressure gathers lose ball and delivers perfect pass to Schache who snaps goal
• Schache relieving on ball and maintaining role floating kick behind play, gathering possessions as link option in corridor, also delivers quality inside 50 to leading Ainsworth
• WA under pressure in defensive 50m Hinchcliffe runs hard to get to contest gathers ball before delivering inch perfect 50m pass to leading HF

Best

Vic - Schache, Ainsworth, Collins, Matheson

WA - Hinchliffe, Harrold, Watson, Clark

3rd quarter

• WA gain some advantage through Goddards taps, Clark strong body and Shaw getting busy forward 50 entries cut off by Collins
• Harrold showing defnsive poise and dash, decision making is top level
• Ainsworth strong lead gathers before turning quality pass to leading Eades
• Schache leads well to Holmes who has run off HB and delivers pass which is a bit high, Aisnworth comes up as 3rd man and brings ball to ground, very good effort by small/mid size forward
• WA now having best period of game, Clark, Hinchcliffe strong through the middle with assistance from Pepper-Powell and Ridley who is getting involved again. Rotham standing up in defensive 50 and when pushing up ground to spoil at every opportunity
• Pepper-Powell very impressive decision making is sound, delivery by foot is good and he has a physical presence for a midfielder
• Petrovksi-Seton been quite most of the day but running hard trying to get himself into the game, impressive second and third efforts after shocking turnover by him inside defensive 50 turns the ball over, puts body on line to spoil forward pass follows up with bone jarring tackle and WA move ball to forward 50 at pace
• Sympkin goes hard in 3 on 1 to beat all opponents in forward pocket kicks % option to top of square Rotham spoils
• Petrovski-Seton shows one for the highlight reel, runs of back of square at centre bounce meets ball at speed which he gathers and delivers inside 50 from centre square at speed, after after some solid work by Jones WA lock ball in and Clark using big body at clearance goals

Best

Vic - Sympkin, Holmes, Schache, Ainsworth, Collins

WA- Rotham, Pepper-Powell, Clark, Harrold

4th Quarter

• Ah Chee holds up well in strong tackle to get his kick off to goal
• Clark continues off from 3rd quarter with some good strong clearance work
• Collins continues to impress by beating direct opponent and also rolling off to spoil, however he chooses this option well also has a knack of backing team mate and rolling off to provide outlet option or gather loose ball, lot to like about this kid
• Pepper-Powell shows extra tools by resting across HFF and bringing ball to ground in a couple of contest
• Schache moves to behind ball and starts to show quality delivery and poise for such a big man, duel option down the track as forward or defender going to push him right to top of draft. Once sting is out of the game he goes back to forward 50 where he continues to dominate. His set shot is fluid and looks effortless
• Ah Chee ignores Pepper-Powell who is free in space around 40 m out and blazes away from 45m out close to boundary

So basically a dominant display by Vic Country who just had far more contributors across the ground and overall had the much bigger bodies at the contest, better structures setting up from HB and through the corridor and with the smart powerful leading Schache they are a good strong side. For drafting

Schache - Top 5 easily and on this effort Carlton/Suns/Saints will take him with Pick 1. not just a forward, but why wouldn't you play him there. Shows a lot of Hogan's hard working attitude and some swagger. Direct opponent was undersized but could not have asked for a better display from your key forward who imposed himslef on the game

Collins - not as highly touted as Weitering but the best defender on the ground, showed great anticipation and decision making matched with good ball use and also provided options going forward.

Tucker - not overly busy but everything he did he did well. His disposal was excellent as was his decision making. Good runner and will also be able to run on ball

Ainsworth - size will go against him but very good by foot and a busy forward who shows enough to suggest he could rotate through the middle. A lot of Jack Lonie about this kid

Holmes - rated him above Matheson over the 4 quarters because he was harder at it throughout and was busy when Vic Country got on top early. Not a big mid but has some good aggression and did not shirk any contests

WA

Clark - not exceptional but just makes the right decisions, I think he will go second round because he wont have one of those impressive highlight reels but may surprise recruiters, especially if he gets into a strong midfield

Hinchliffe - not a big mid but brave and a very good user of the footy by hand and foot. Will go late or rookie but I like kids who stand up in a team under the pump and that is what he did

Harrold - as above stood up for the entire game in a defence that was getting no let up. Showed plenty of poise in traffic and used the footy well

Ah Chee - showed enough with his limited opportunities to why he is highly rated, like all quality small forwards makes the most of limited opportunities

Edited October 27, 2015 by Pennant St Dee

[ChaserJ 5,098]

Great stuff, thanks for sharing PSD.

[Members' Wing 1,106]

From other threads I see we may be having a look at Collins, just checked back on the U/18 National Champs thread and cut and pasted from my observations from the WA vs Vic Country match below. Have bolded some of the players who may come into consideration

WA vs Vic Country

Well sorry for the delay in getting this out but have between busy afternoon and computer problems only getting onto it now. Schache was outstanding from the very outset, loved his strength in contested marking situations and his awareness to lead hard when the opportunity arose, delivery to space from Matheson, Sympkin, Ainsworth, Holmes, Tucker left the defender with no chance. Schache showed some arrogance at times which I think is a good quality in a young forward. Ah Chee up forward for WA had limited opportunity but he is a gun and will be sought after due to his ability to turn a game from limited opportunities. Really liked teh defensive work of Collins who is a big boy and was surprisingly very clean below his knees and made good decisions by foot. WA had solid contributions from Jimmy Harrold and Hinchcliffe all day long but the WA boys lacked depth through the middle and it is no surprise their best period in the game came in the third when Pepper-Powell, Clark and Hinchcliffe were all winning the clearances with Goddard being the better ruckman on the ground as he was for the day. Some notes of interest

First Quarter:

• Schache shows strength holding front position with a high floating ball delivered in quickly but not effectively, Schache positioned his body well enough to hold off defender and take a strong mark above his head. Unfortunately put the ball to the wrong side, although I do like his smooth kicking action
• 2 very solid pressure efforts inside forward 50m from Eades resulted in turnover and goal
• WA turnover ball forward of centre wing and ball ends up in hands of Sympkin who after short run sees strong lead from Schache who starts lead as soon as he sees turnover. Sympkins perfect pass lands on chest of Schache with defender trailing behind him
• Another WA turnover ends up in hands of Darcy Tucker who after quick 1-2 gathers with great run and delivers a long pass over defenders to top of square where Schache who is moving backwards and has presence of mind to use body to hold off full back and bring ball to ground for crumbing forward to goal. Not certain but think the goal was by Number 28
• very brave effort by Harrold takes strong contested mark backing in at half back and takes off to deliver a quality 35/40m pass to chest of leading HF
• strong effort inside forward 50 by Sympkin, gathers loose ball with pace and makes early decision to kick a goal from 40m out on the boundary. Great skill, confidence and poise shown with this effort and approx 10 secs before it was Sympkins hard effort at half forward which caused the spillage when WA were breaking away from defence
• really strong tackle and turnover by Costigan was a great effort which was not backed up by a poor turnover when going into corridor with other available options on win
• Good mark by Vic forward Skinner with strong hands and body strength getting front position although IMO WA defender Mirco should have done better, tried to contest the mark from behind when the obvious option was to punch
• Hinchliffe shows coolness under pressure in heavy traffic inside defensive 50 before delivering a quality 35m pass to teammate to relieve pressure
• Tucker again runs off half back to wing and at pace delivers perfectly weighted and depth pass to leading Schache
• Hinchliffe again good in traffic with poise and hard run in own defensive 50 before clearing down the boundary to advantage of leading HF

Best 1st quarter

Vic Country - Schache, Sympkin, Tucker, Holmes

WA - Hinchcliffe, Harrold, Goddard

2nd Quarter

• Goddard continues to get better of ruck and is also backing up with some good second efforts around the clearances
• Matheson and Holmes dominating from centre despite Goddard winning hitouts
• Harrold backs into contest and takes a quality mark in front of Schache in defensive 50m before giving off pass and continuing with run and providing outlet option
• Ah Chee takes a good mark at full forward uses smarts to leap early and get advantage over much taller opponent
• Watson shows a lot with several second efforts, backing into packs without questions
• Collins big half back who shows good clean hands below knees, on one occasion with WA breaking and wide open forward 50 behind him, Collins is decisive in trapping low delivery to leading forward forward before gathering and disposing with neat kick into corridor, Collins continues with momentum receives handball which he handballs to HFF resulting in inside 50 to contest at top of square.
• Schache again takes mark with strong lead early to lose defender into forward pocket, realises quickly better option and delivers pinpoint pass to team mate who goals
• Ridley and Clark getting involved and starting to deliver some good isnide 50's for WA but Vic defenders Collins and Wietering either marking or knocking to advantage Tucker and Matheison exceptional at ground level to clear and set up attacks
• Watson great second efforts after strong defensive spoil falls to Vic advantage, 2nd effort results in turnover and WA relieving pressure
• Hinchcliffe again brave floating across bigpack at halfback to take relieving mark
• Ainsworth outmarks taller opponent with good judgement and positioning sense
• Ainsworth busy and applying forward pressure gathers lose ball and delivers perfect pass to Schache who snaps goal
• Schache relieving on ball and maintaining role floating kick behind play, gathering possessions as link option in corridor, also delivers quality inside 50 to leading Ainsworth
• WA under pressure in defensive 50m Hinchcliffe runs hard to get to contest gathers ball before delivering inch perfect 50m pass to leading HF

Best

Vic - Schache, Ainsworth, Collins, Matheson

WA - Hinchliffe, Harrold, Watson, Clark

3rd quarter

• WA gain some advantage through Goddards taps, Clark strong body and Shaw getting busy forward 50 entries cut off by Collins
• Harrold showing defnsive poise and dash, decision making is top level
• Ainsworth strong lead gathers before turning quality pass to leading Eades
• Schache leads well to Holmes who has run off HB and delivers pass which is a bit high, Aisnworth comes up as 3rd man and brings ball to ground, very good effort by small/mid size forward
• WA now having best period of game, Clark, Hinchcliffe strong through the middle with assistance from Pepper-Powell and Ridley who is getting involved again. Rotham standing up in defensive 50 and when pushing up ground to spoil at every opportunity
• Pepper-Powell very impressive decision making is sound, delivery by foot is good and he has a physical presence for a midfielder
• Petrovksi-Seton been quite most of the day but running hard trying to get himself into the game, impressive second and third efforts after shocking turnover by him inside defensive 50 turns the ball over, puts body on line to spoil forward pass follows up with bone jarring tackle and WA move ball to forward 50 at pace
• Sympkin goes hard in 3 on 1 to beat all opponents in forward pocket kicks % option to top of square Rotham spoils
• Petrovski-Seton shows one for the highlight reel, runs of back of square at centre bounce meets ball at speed which he gathers and delivers inside 50 from centre square at speed, after after some solid work by Jones WA lock ball in and Clark using big body at clearance goals

Best

Vic - Sympkin, Holmes, Schache, Ainsworth, Collins

WA- Rotham, Pepper-Powell, Clark, Harrold

4th Quarter

• Ah Chee holds up well in strong tackle to get his kick off to goal
• Clark continues off from 3rd quarter with some good strong clearance work
• Collins continues to impress by beating direct opponent and also rolling off to spoil, however he chooses this option well also has a knack of backing team mate and rolling off to provide outlet option or gather loose ball, lot to like about this kid
• Pepper-Powell shows extra tools by resting across HFF and bringing ball to ground in a couple of contest
• Schache moves to behind ball and starts to show quality delivery and poise for such a big man, duel option down the track as forward or defender going to push him right to top of draft. Once sting is out of the game he goes back to forward 50 where he continues to dominate. His set shot is fluid and looks effortless
• Ah Chee ignores Pepper-Powell who is free in space around 40 m out and blazes away from 45m out close to boundary

So basically a dominant display by Vic Country who just had far more contributors across the ground and overall had the much bigger bodies at the contest, better structures setting up from HB and through the corridor and with the smart powerful leading Schache they are a good strong side. For drafting

Schache - Top 5 easily and on this effort Carlton/Suns/Saints will take him with Pick 1. not just a forward, but why wouldn't you play him there. Shows a lot of Hogan's hard working attitude and some swagger. Direct opponent was undersized but could not have asked for a better display from your key forward who imposed himslef on the game

Collins - not as highly touted as Weitering but the best defender on the ground, showed great anticipation and decision making matched with good ball use and also provided options going forward.

Tucker - not overly busy but everything he did he did well. His disposal was excellent as was his decision making. Good runner and will also be able to run on ball

Ainsworth - size will go against him but very good by foot and a busy forward who shows enough to suggest he could rotate through the middle. A lot of Jack Lonie about this kid

Holmes - rated him above Matheson over the 4 quarters because he was harder at it throughout and was busy when Vic Country got on top early. Not a big mid but has some good aggression and did not shirk any contests

WA

Clark - not exceptional but just makes the right decisions, I think he will go second round because he wont have one of those impressive highlight reels but may surprise recruiters, especially if he gets into a strong midfield

Hinchliffe - not a big mid but brave and a very good user of the footy by hand and foot. Will go late or rookie but I like kids who stand up in a team under the pump and that is what he did

Harrold - as above stood up for the entire game in a defence that was getting no let up. Showed plenty of poise in traffic and used the footy well

Ah Chee - showed enough with his limited opportunities to why he is highly rated, like all quality small forwards makes the most of limited opportunities

Great stuff, thanks for sharing PSD.

Two people whose opinion about underage footy I rate and respect.

If only those with 1/1000th as much knowledge weren't so vociferous in their beliefs based on a couple of YouTube highlight videos.

[Deeoldfart 8,033]

I disagree. Can't think of too many key backmen who convert to become a good key forward. People are overrating Frost as a forward. He competes well, but has poor skills. Max King may be a long term prospect, but aside from Hogan, that's were our potential key forward stocks end.

Neita made a pretty good fist of it.