Trade Radio Discussion

[Middymalt 244]

can not believe we didn't get anything back for melksham, absolute joke

Why ? He's 24 and played 115 games he goes ok, Blease pick 17 Strauss 19 the drafts a lottery and jakes better thàn those 2 peahearts

[ManDee 7,148]

4.35pm: LEUENBERGER LANDS AT ESSENDON

1. The Brisbane Lions haven't stood in the way of Matthew Leuenberger's move to Tullamarine, despite their disappointment with pick 39 as compensation for the restricted free agent.
2. Leuenberger has joined the Dons on a three-year deal.

Edited October 15, 2015 by ManDee

[bing181 9,236]

Sorry grammar police.

Make an effort.

At least.

[pm24 451]

Mahoney up next on trade radio, can someone summarise the conversation?

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Mahoney up next on trade radio, can someone summarise the conversation?

Didn't add too much new.

- We would still rather deal with GC for Howe, but now that he has nominated the Pies we will try and work something out with them.

- Ben Kennedy will be a separate deal to the Howe one - we will deal with the Pies and then see where we are at in terms of being able to get Kennedy.

- Happy to get Melksham

- Still interested in Prestia FOR NEXT YEAR but said that we do our due diligence with all uncontracted players.

And that was it really.

[MadAsHell 4,212]

Didn't add too much new.

- We would still rather deal with GC for Howe, but now that he has nominated the Pies we will try and work something out with them.

- Ben Kennedy will be a separate deal to the Howe one - we will deal with the Pies and then see where we are at in terms of being able to get Kennedy.

- Happy to get Melksham

- Still interested in Prestia FOR NEXT YEAR but said that we do our due diligence with all uncontracted players.

And that was it really.

Nothing on Bugg?

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Nothing on Bugg?

Surprisingly no.

I will say that Mahoney didn't sound all that happy but I could be reading too much into it. Clearly Howe nominating the Pies has thrown a significant spanner in the works!

[MadAsHell 4,212]

If we're as keen on Parish as it seems we are, would the club back themselves in and trade Pick 6 and our 2016 1st Round Pick for Pick 3 and Gold Coast's 2016 2nd round pick, possibly also switching this years Pick 46 with their 35?

[pm24 451]

Surprisingly no.

I will say that Mahoney didn't sound all that happy but I could be reading too much into it. Clearly Howe nominating the Pies has thrown a significant spanner in the works!

Not surprising really. Moving up to pick 3 would have been a really good result, and who knows maybe there were also plans for other players (like Gorringe) or picks to move.

An upgrade from pick 6 to pick 3 in this draft probably has more value than any second round pick Collingwood might send our way. He's probably feeling like a whole lot of constructive time has now been wasted. I would also not be surprised if they'd lined up some other trades on the assumption the GC deal would be done.

[Mach5 4,767]

Surely Essendon will move a handful of their picks to GWS for some assorted young talent.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,754]

Surprisingly no.

I will say that Mahoney didn't sound all that happy but I could be reading too much into it. Clearly Howe nominating the Pies has thrown a significant spanner in the works!

Presumably it's the "dealing with" bit that's the spanner rather than the final outcome. There's no reason why Melbourne, Collingwood and Gold Coast can't engineer a three way trade so that we still get whatever it is we wanted from GC, Collingwood gets Howe and GC gets something it needs (player/picks) from Collingwood.

[beelzebub 23,376]

Presumably it's the "dealing with" bit that's the spanner rather than the final outcome. There's no reason why Melbourne, Collingwood and Gold Coast can't engineer a three way trade so that we still get whatever it is we wanted from GC, Collingwood gets Howe and GC gets something it needs (player/picks) from Collingwood.

except the filth are short on picks

[Beetle 4,659]

I look forward to the day i'm like the Hawthorn supporters in my office and have no idea trade week is even on.

[inanunda 351]

The whole trade period is a chore. I think there will be a few of you out there who would agree with me!

http://www.thepeptalk.com.au/afl-trade-week-is-like-masturbating-with-a-cheese-grater/

[CBDees 3,167]

except the filth are short on picks

It doesnt matter as they have Kennedy and Seedsman as currency (or whatever pick they get from Adelaide for him)!

[blue and red in the head 95]

Would the pie do two second rounders for Howe and we trade that to gws for a early pick. 2 second rounds = more points for academy picks

[SaberFang 7,151]

Would the pie do two second rounders for Howe and we trade that to gws for a early pick. 2 second rounds = more points for academy picks

Why would the Pies do that if they could trade those picks to GWS themselves? Obviously more convoluted with Treloar involved, but they could just as easily offer pick 7 + 2 second rounders + next year's first rounder for Treloar + pick 8.

The high value of picks no longer has any meaning to Academy clubs because they only need to accumulate points, NOT high picks. If the AFL had thought this through, they'd have banned Academy clubs from trading out their first round picks to prevent such manipulation of the bidding system, but... we're talking about the AFL here. These clubs now have more currency with a hoard of second rather than first rounders.

Edited October 15, 2015 by Lamashtu

[blue and red in the head 95]

Why would the Pies do that if they could trade those picks to GWS themselves? Obviously more convoluted with Treloar involved, but they could just as easily offer pick 7 + 2 second rounders + next year's first rounder for Treloar + pick 8.

The high value of picks no longer has any meaning to Academy clubs because they only need to accumulate points, NOT high picks. If the AFL had thought this through, they'd have banned Academy clubs from trading out their first round picks to prevent such manipulation of the bidding system, but... we're talking about the AFL here. These clubs now have more currency with a hoard of second rather than first rounders.

But leaves them with no Howe

[Redleg 40,924]

Posted this on another thread, how would you react if it came off?

If we get two 2nd rounders from Pies for Howe, from Freeman and Seedsman deals and another for Toumpas, we could then swap three second rounders to GWS for pick 8 and Bugg and maybe another pick or player like Tomlinson.

Three 2nd rounders have far more points value than 8, which GWS need for their Academy stars.

We then get Kennedy for our 3rd rounder.

For the cream on the cake, we then give 8 and 6 to GC for Prestia and 3, with maybe another player or pick coming back to us.

[SaberFang 7,151]

Probably too many assumptions there; where does Collingwood's currency for Aish come from? All they've got left now are second rounders, present and future, to secure Howe and Aish.

Clubs will be falling over themselves to get pick 8 off GWS now; we seem more intent on sitting back in the trade room and waiting for things to happen rather than creating wild and exciting scenarios like your one above.

[Bonkers 994]

Posted this on another thread, how would you react if it came off?

If we get two 2nd rounders from Pies for Howe, from Freeman and Seedsman deals and another for Toumpas, we could then swap three second rounders to GWS for pick 8 and Bugg and maybe another pick or player like Tomlinson.

Three 2nd rounders have far more points value than 8, which GWS need for their Academy stars.

We then get Kennedy for our 3rd rounder.

For the cream on the cake, we then give 8 and 6 to GC for Prestia and 3, with maybe another player or pick coming back to us.

Sounds good in theory, hopefully they can pull it off. Would the Pies let us have Kennedy for a 3rd rounder?

[Redleg 40,924]

Sounds good in theory, hopefully they can pull it off. Would the Pies let us have Kennedy for a 3rd rounder?

Yes if he keeps his head and they need cap space for Treloar, Aish and Howe.

[Dr. Mubutu 852]

Guys, this talk of trading 2 second-rounders for GWS' first pick isn't new.

It was posited on BigFooty a month ago, and I'm sure I brought the idea over here too.

I'm sure if the club saw it as a good idea, they'd be all over it.

[Dr. Mubutu 852]

Found it, was in reference to Bennell.

http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/38895-harley-bennell/?view=findpost&p=1155712

[M C 221]

Posted this on another thread, how would you react if it came off?

If we get two 2nd rounders from Pies for Howe, from Freeman and Seedsman deals and another for Toumpas, we could then swap three second rounders to GWS for pick 8 and Bugg and maybe another pick or player like Tomlinson.

Three 2nd rounders have far more points value than 8, which GWS need for their Academy stars.

We then get Kennedy for our 3rd rounder.

For the cream on the cake, we then give 8 and 6 to GC for Prestia and 3, with maybe another player or pick coming back to us.

If we get two 2nd rounders from the Pies then they will be late 2nd rounders

Prestia is not worth less than pick 8 as you claim. In your scenario, we would be trading pick 8 for Prestia and an upgrade from pick 6 to pick 3, which is ridiculously in our favour