I think not, I am yet to see him stand up in a big game and pull us back from being down like today. He struggles with a tag and his impact has been minimal recently.

i can't judge his leadership, hard to do from the outside, but his footy is well down on his last couple of exceptional years.

Sweating the small stuff, as they say. Not sure I've seen an alternative out there standing up and taking the game by the scruff.

Sweating the small stuff, as they say. Not sure I've seen an alternative out there standing up and taking the game by the scruff.

Good point. On field leadership is a joke right now.

Best we have.

The difference between him and say Luke Hodge is Hodge won't accept second rate from himself or his team mates and will spray them when required.

jones is too introverted and about his own game, not a bigger picture/team view which some one like Ling or Maxwell was.

Is Jones captain material? I think he is. But what's the difference? Nobody else is anywhere near being considered captain material at the moment.

What's the alternative? He's clearly our best option right now.

Best we have.

The difference between him and say Luke Hodge is Hodge won't accept second rate from himself or his team mates and will spray them when required.

jones is too introverted and about his own game, not a bigger picture/team view which some one like Ling or Maxwell was.

The difference between him and Luke Hodge as a leader are the players he has around him. Pretty hard to rate Jones with this list I would think.

Our second best leader is Lynden Dunn...

Nathan is doing fine at the moment

When Grimes and Trengove were co-captains people were screaming for Jones to have the job. Now he's got it and they question him? He's won the B&F for how many years running? Been the only player who consistently stood up through the worst years in the clubs history, remains among our best midfielders, Puts in a huge amount of work training with the youngsters and setting standards at the club. Of course he's the right man for the job!

Of course he is. Stupid thread.

I don't think he's physically right. According to AFL stats, he only had 74% game time - less than everyone except Grimes & Jetta.

Jones was definitely one of the ones who lifted & got us going in the third quarter.

I don't think the captaincy is the problem.

The difference between him and Luke Hodge as a leader are the players he has around him. Pretty hard to rate Jones with this list I would think.

My point is he isn't a natural captain. Hodge is.

Jones gives his best, but he is too introverted and absorbed in his own game.

I would have no other as captain for now, and you maybe right he might be a better captain when we play better and he has help in the midfield.

More importantly, is olisik demonland material?

Sadly the answer appears to be yes...

Unsure why this thread is copping flak. He is the best option we have but his on field leadership when things aren't going our way is poor. Look at our starts and look at how we can't arrest run ons in quarters. This is usually when your good on field leaders show out.

He is pretty clearly carrying something at present which probably isn't helping.

He's an introvert playing the role of an extrovert.

His body language yesterday and multiple times this year has been very poor.

When I said at the end of last year he shouldn't be immune from being traded, I was hounded. When he wasn't traded (he was never going to be), I said he needed to take another step. Roos said the same thing.

We have already seen peak Jones. He is to us what Vandenverg was to Hawthorn before the Hodge years

Feel for the bloke and he tries his guts out but he is not captain material. At Melbourne he is our best choice, but so long as he's at the top ebb of our playing group, we will linger down the bottom. He would be third or fourth option mid in a good team, depth player.

I know it's not his fault but he hasn't gone to the next level like we need him to. He was on the cusp of A-grade and now he's been found out. Remember he only barely cracks the top 100 in the league.

Is Velvet really trousers material?

BTW-Jones is our heart and soul.

Best player in years.

The rest need the arse.

Jones is a well intentioned plodder who forces the team to play one dimensional reactive footy

Not a captains butt

Seriously though, how sad is it that this club has turned us against our most committed, hard working player?

I hate this club.

Is Velvet really trousers material?

BTW-Jones is our heart and soul.

Best player in years.

The rest need the arse.

Seriously though, how sad is it that this club has turned us against our most committed, hard working player?

I hate this club.

This criticism of Nathan Jones is bullshite of the highest order. How many players/captains have carried the weight he has through such a period of [censored] up performances? I've lost count of the number humiliating defeats I've sat through where the only bloke putting his body on the line all day was one N.Jones. A fact quite often acknowledged and admired by opposition supporters.

I don't know how vociferous or not Jones is as a leader but actions speak louder than words and Jones' actions over the years have constantly provided an example of selflessness,courage and loyalty that, unfortunately, too many of his fellow players have failed to follow.

Who else is there?

This criticism of Nathan Jones is bullshite of the highest order. How many players/captains have carried the weight he has through such a period of [censored] up performances? I've lost count of the number humiliating defeats I've sat through where the only bloke putting his body on the line all day was one N.Jones. A fact quite often acknowledged and admired by opposition supporters.

I don't know how vociferous or not Jones is as a leader but actions speak louder than words and Jones' actions over the years have constantly provided an example of selflessness,courage and loyalty that, unfortunately, too many of his fellow players have failed to follow.

Well said BBO. People have very short memories.

I don't think anyone should ever question Jones' leadership. He has stuck with the club through all the crap years and has been our most consistent player.

He is always going to have the odd bad game as every player does.

olisik is a troll

don't feed him

1). Nathan is not immune to criticism

2). We have a think about if he is currently the best man to lead this club of the field.

3). He is