The Incredible Hulk - Jesse Hogan

[Ted Lasso 16,937]

On 5/9/2016 at 9:59 AM, ProDee said:

I just don't understand this attitude.  Hogan is incredibly important if you want to develop a premiership team.  The last thing we can afford is to lose Hogan.  Nothing would come close to compensating us.

The ambivalence of some to Hogan and his importance astonishes me.  With the midfield we're developing I've never been more confident of seeing my first flag in the next decade.  Hogan is a pivotal cog in that ambition.

it's amazing how out of context my post was taken, as i said my overwhelming preference is to keep Jesse, of course, he is vital. 

But we don't have the final say, he might leave and it might be totally out of our control,

the silver lining if there is any is that we will get significant compensation for him if that does eventuate, will it be the same as keeping him? no. but two top 10 picks and a player potentially does help soften the blow a little bit.

[Gator 16,906]

15 minutes ago, Peter Griffen said:

it's amazing how out of context my post was taken, as i said my overwhelming preference is to keep Jesse, of course, he is vital. 

But we don't have the final say, he might leave and it might be totally out of our control,

the silver lining if there is any is that we will get significant compensation for him if that does eventuate, will it be the same as keeping him? no. but two top 10 picks and a player potentially does help soften the blow a little bit.

Well I don't think you're insane, so I accept your "preference" is for him to stay.  However, you said, "Stay or go i am fairly comfortable with where we sit."  That's a theme I've read from others as well.  And for the life of me I don't understand it.

[Mickey 4,187]

I'm certainly feeling more confident he will stay, at least for the short term (3-5 year). It gives us time to prove we are a finals threat, or freo time to prove they are rebuilding properly.

 

[Middymalt 244]

Once in a generation player if he kicks 60 goals this year 5000 kids across Australia will turn up to school wearing Melbourne jumpers next year must keep at all costs.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,539]

2 minutes ago, Middymalt said:

Once in a generation player if he kicks 60 goals this year 5000 kids across Australia will turn up to school wearing Melbourne jumpers next year must keep at all costs.

Especially once we start getting exposure in FTA prime time games, this guy will drag in the supporters. 

[nutbean 8,837]

11 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Well I don't think you're insane, so I accept your "preference" is for him to stay.  However, you said, "Stay or go i am fairly comfortable with where we sit."  That's a theme I've read from others as well.  And for the life of me I don't understand it.

Many have commented that besides the StKilda game Hogan has had a slow start to the season.

Besides the StKilda where he tore them apart I think he has been solid - he has taken the most marks for our club and he draws two defenders when he is deep every week.

Whilst it is too early to go with a superstar tag or a once in a generation footballer for Hogan, early evidence is that we have something very very special and I am thoroughly uncomfortable with the thought that our number one  forward for possibly the next 10 years may end up somewhere else.

[Pates 9,537]

I'm not fussed with Jesse's form this year, early on it wasn't great but he's now working hard and he got personal reward for effort against St Kilda. He's certainly playing further up the ground and working with Watts as link men at appropriate times. More goals will come and now that he's kicked a bag against the Saints I feel more are around the corner. 

Ultimately we're winning and that's the most important thing for both the club and Jesse.

Edited May 10, 2016 by Pates

[binman 38,797]

29 minutes ago, nutbean said:

 

Whilst it is too early to go with a superstar tag or a once in a generation footballer for Hogan,

Disagree. The most talented kp player i have seen enter the league since riewold and pavlich and comparable in talent to the ox and carey. Genuine  superstar and most def a generational  player

[DubDee 21,036]

I don't think a Ba-Zillion Dollar deal until the turn of the century is out of the question

[nutbean 8,837]

9 minutes ago, binman said:

Disagree. The most talented kp player i have seen enter the league since riewold and pavlich and comparable in talent to the ox and carey. Genuine  superstar and most def a generational  player

You can make an early call  - I prefer to keep my powder dry - today and now he is not a superstar and he is not a generational player. However at the end of the day I firmly suspect that in a couple of years I am going to be saying exactly the same thing as you are saying now. 

So for this reason alone, heaven and earth must be moved to keep him. 

[chook fowler 18,343]

I'm glad we have the likes of PJ and Mahoney to handle the negotiations. They are true professionals and will get it over the line unless Hogan is totally committed to returning to WA. 

[binman 38,797]

10 minutes ago, nutbean said:

You can make an early call  - I prefer to keep my powder dry - today and now he is not a superstar and he is not a generational player. However at the end of the day I firmly suspect that in a couple of years I am going to be saying exactly the same thing as you are saying now. 

So for this reason alone, heaven and earth must be moved to keep him. 

Fair enough.

I would add to my previous comment that in the time i have followed the dees the only player who i have heaped such praise on or made such a big call is Schwarz. No other player has come close, including Neitz who was AA in his second or 3rd year (i was only 6 when Robbie began his career and hence a bit young for such predictions).

[PaulRB 5,985]

With Watts, Harmes and now Petracca delivering on platter balls to Hogan's advantage, he'd be crazy to move on.

When it all clicks, it will be glorious...

Edited May 10, 2016 by PaulRB

[Dr. Gonzo 22,539]

1 hour ago, nutbean said:

Many have commented that besides the StKilda game Hogan has had a slow start to the season.

Besides the StKilda where he tore them apart I think he has been solid - he has taken the most marks for our club and he draws two defenders when he is deep every week.

Whilst it is too early to go with a superstar tag or a once in a generation footballer for Hogan, early evidence is that we have something very very special and I am thoroughly uncomfortable with the thought that our number one  forward for possibly the next 10 years may end up somewhere else.

 

Agreed - I don't think it's hyperbole to say he could be the best forward we've had in the clubs history. Neitz and Schwarz were both good not great (Schwarz due to injury), Farmer and Jakovich were mercurial but inconsistent, we've never really had a true "spearhead" or champion CHF since the days of Fanning and Smith.

If he left it would be a disaster.

[Skuit 9,306]

3 hours ago, Delusional demon 82 said:

Even if money is a driving factor he could sign on next year for 3 years and hopefully (hopefully ) have a crack at a flag with us ...and then in his mid to late 20s sign a big money deal like buddy going back to WA. Whilst retaining hoges is a priority we will have to face into eventually satisfying the likes of clarry,  ANB and trac in the coming years among others like Viney and Co as well ...think we need a geelong style brotherhood pact and keep this group together 

Other than that we can say look hoges you're free to leave anytime you like ...you just have to get past young jack Viney at the door ...hotel California,  check out any time you like but you can never leave 

This. There are two big assumptions being commonly made. That Freo are his only potential suitors in the West in the event of homesickness and that he'll be signing a mega-long contract now. There are fair reasons for these assumptions but certainly arguments why neither are definite.

[mo64 5,230]

3 hours ago, ProDee said:

I just don't understand this attitude.  Hogan is incredibly important if you want to develop a premiership team.  The last thing we can afford is to lose Hogan.  Nothing would come close to compensating us.

The ambivalence of some to Hogan and his importance astonishes me.  With the midfield we're developing I've never been more confident of seeing my first flag in the next decade.  Hogan is a pivotal cog in that ambition.

Exactly. The compensation MAY net you an A grader if you're lucky, but it's highly improbable that you'll land a potentially elite KPF like Hogan.

Hutchy on Footy Classifieds got laughed at by Judd, Lloyd and Wilson when he suggested that Richmond should trade Delideo for a 1st round pick. That 1st round pick would probably come from a contending team, so you're looking at pick 12-18 for an A grader. Madness.

[jumbo returns 6,514]

Just pay the boy - whatever it takes.

A premiership window awaits.

[The Big D 0]

I'm becoming very concerned by the growing chorus of football industry people saying that Hoges is certain to return home to WA.

Langdon and Hardie, I know, are Western Australians and might be being parochial, but on the other hand they are based in WA and maybe they do have some inside info. 

Crackers Keenan recently wrote that not only is he certain to go home, it is likely to be at the end of this year (despite his contract).

It might be correct that the opinions/whispers of these characters should be dismissed, but obviously, the more you hear it the more you worry.

Edited May 10, 2016 by The Big D

[Dockett 32 1,213]

Do we get to match offers?

[Phadraig 760]

1 minute ago, Dockett 32 said:

Do we get to match offers?

That's for restricted free agents

[Deeoldfart 7,801]

A few random points that I think are pertinent:

• Hogan's worth to the team cannot be simply measured by goals scored.  He has played more time up the ground this year (even starting in the centre square on a few occasions), and he has been important in these stints with his defensive marking, tackling and creativity.  Part of the Roos / Goodwin "all players need to be flexible" philosophy, I suspect, and it also frees him up a bit from the double teaming that he cops constantly as a KPF;
• if he decided to leave it would more than likely put a significant 'brake' on achieving our membership aspirations (another important reason for getting his signature);
• if team success is an important consideration for him (as seems to be the case), then we need to maintain at least good solid form throughout this year.  We wouldn't want 3 or 4 game losing streaks;
• the continued development and promise of Weideman and/or Hulett is important.  Hogan will relish the day when there is another strong KPF to take some of the opposition attention away from him;
• his bond / friendship with team-mates seems to be important to him.  In this context I was happy to read in the Harmes' RS interview that Hogan, N.Jones and Harmes had been surfing together before the GC game.

 

[stinga81 210]

On 2/16/2016 at 9:40 AM, Redleg said:

Langdon and Hardie, I know, are Western Australians and might be being parochial, but on the other hand they are based in WA and maybe they do have some inside info. 

I don't know how Hardie would know anything while he's spending his hours at the Rifle Club Hotel in W'town punting. 

[mo64 5,230]

4 minutes ago, The Big D said:

I'm becoming very concerned by the growing chorus of football industry people saying that Hoges is certain to return home to WA.

Langdon and Hardie, I know, are Western Australians and might be being parochial, but on the other hand they are based in WA and maybe they do have some inside info. 

Crackers Keenan recently wrote that not only is he certain to go home, it is likely to be at the end of this year.

It might be correct that the opinions/whispers of these characters should be dismissed, but obviously, the more you hear it the more you worry.

I just don't see how this is remotely possible. 

[Travis Boots 157]

11 minutes ago, The Big D said:

I'm becoming very concerned by the growing chorus of football industry people saying that Hoges is certain to return home to WA.

Langdon and Hardie, I know, are Western Australians and might be being parochial, but on the other hand they are based in WA and maybe they do have some inside info. 

Crackers Keenan recently wrote that not only is he certain to go home, it is likely to be at the end of this year (despite his contract).

It might be correct that the opinions/whispers of these characters should be dismissed, but obviously, the more you hear it the more you worry.

Spoke to the Ox and he reckons its not true from what hes heard

[The Big D 0]

5 minutes ago, mo64 said:

I just don't see how this is remotely possible. 

By requesting a trade. Whether Melbourne grant the request whilst he is under contract is of course another matter.

But the trading of contracted and highly valued players prior to the expiry of their deals has been done on several occasions - partly to maximise the return.