Where does it end though? How many leg ups do you give to a failure? How do you teach a fool responsibility and instill dependence when you keep giving charity to fix their mistakes?

It ends when they help fix us and with the current administration it should be the last time.

We could realistically finish last again as depressing as that is, surely if the AFL considers that we might well finish last, we have lost Clark, and will more than likely also lose frawley,

I think we have the case to strongly push for a pick, just a question of if they're willing to give us one given our past

surely you mean because of our past (record)

On mmm tonight at the end of the coverage from the melbourne studio they said they will talk about Frawley tomorrow and which clubs have spoken to him and Garry mentioned that some coaches may have contacted him mentioned Chris scott. Garry basically said melbourne should offer motlop 3 years and 700,000. I think his point was how would Scott feel if roosy spoke to one of his players.

I thought there was some rule about approaching FA players and you have to wait until the end of the season.

Buckley was rude, coy, and downright patronising to the bloke sitting next to him.

The bloke sitting next to him was Mark Robinson so I would be the same.

I wouldn't take much notice of that exchange.

I beg to differ. To me Buckley looked shocked that Robbo knew. Take it as read that the Pies are heavily into Frawley.

On mmm tonight at the end of the coverage from the melbourne studio they said they will talk about Frawley tomorrow and which clubs have spoken to him and Garry mentioned that some coaches may have contacted him mentioned Chris scott. Garry basically said melbourne should offer motlop 3 years and 700,000. I think his point was how would Scott feel if roosy spoke to one of his players.

I thought there was some rule about approaching FA players and you have to wait until the end of the season.

There is. Only in the month of October can clubs directly talk to players not their own. Obviously, managers are a way around.

I beg to differ. To me Buckley looked shocked that Robbo knew. Take it as read that the Pies are heavily into Frawley.

I would say that they are too, but the inference that Buckleys unease is due to it being a done deal is premature, I think it is because he doesn't like talking about players from other clubs. It isn't exactly celebrated when coaches talk about players not their own.

Taylor Adams disposal is atrocoious

makes Jack Grimes look like Cyril RIoli

most Pies fans see Adams as a huge disappointment

Collingwood wont rush Adams... He will develop there at a steady rate, like most young players... We place way to much pressure on our second and third year players, because we rely on them... Unlike other clubs.... If Adams was playing for us, most here would have him half way out the door... I doubt Collingwood are disappointed by his progress...

On mmm tonight at the end of the coverage from the melbourne studio they said they will talk about Frawley tomorrow and which clubs have spoken to him and Garry mentioned that some coaches may have contacted him mentioned Chris scott. Garry basically said melbourne should offer motlop 3 years and 700,000. I think his point was how would Scott feel if roosy spoke to one of his players.

I thought there was some rule about approaching FA players and you have to wait until the end of the season.

lol... I'd be surprised if he hasn't already agreed to something... The rule is just a token gesture for fans losing players... the AFL don't mind the shady back room deals, they'd just say to clubs "don't get caught"...

New Hun article states Collingwood think Frawley to Pies is a done deal. I thought he wanted success?

He wants $$$$ nothing more, nothing less. Can't stomach the pretence that it's anything different.

The filth can have him.

New Hun article states Collingwood think Frawley to Pies is a done deal. I thought he wanted success?

I would think there will be plenty, the pies mini rebuild has their list in a really good spot at the moment, some really good top end talent and like us they tend to do alright with later picks

Surely this year after losing Clark and being in the bottom 4 for the past 8 years, we are in line for a PP... So we could possibly end the year with picks 3,4 and 5... Seems fair to me, though the AFL aren't in to being fair...

Dream on.....both the comp pick and the PP are governed by the "AFL Whim Rule"

IMO the ultimate irony would be for him (or anyone) to move to another club, who crash and burn while we soar on to the top. ( Like tatu, I also dream on )

Dream on.....both the comp pick and the PP are governed by the "AFL Whim Rule"

IMO the ultimate irony would be for him (or anyone) to move to another club, who crash and burn while we soar on to the top. ( Like tatu, I also dream on )

I too firmly believe that these picks are cut from a cloth that's loomed to suit Nothing transparent...all politically motivated ....all bullshlt

Where does it end though? How many leg ups do you give to a failure? How do you teach a fool responsibility and instill dependence when you keep giving charity to fix their mistakes?

It ends when they help fix us and with the current administration it should be the last time.

Ultimately it ends when the club folds.

We had a period where the club has been very poorly managed, how many legs up have we had? If this had been going on for decades and the AFL had been coming to our assistance time and again then you could mount the argument about how many chances have we had.

The AFL have to help if they are serious about a healthy competition or they can let us become a perennial cellar dweller until we fade into oblivion.

Personally, I'm very disappointed that the loyal country boy is shaking his ass for the best possible offer, as he absolutely has to be a required player for the MFC. That he and his manager are flirting with the biggest cheque book makes me want a top 4 pick instead.

Unlike some here, I am absolutely partial to loyalty. I don't see that as being naive or unprofessional. In fact, I see the opposite view as being thoroughly uncritical, flabby and lazy in the extreme.

Loyalty? Ron get yourself back to the 70s. PLayers don't have the loyalty that supporters do. Yes there are a few exceptions.

Players get one shot at a big contract. Simple. He is gonna take it. He's gone. Good luck to him. Focus on what we are going to get.

He's not that good.

Loyalty? Ron get yourself back to the 70s. PLayers don't have the loyalty that supporters do. Yes there are a few exceptions.

Players get one shot at a big contract. Simple. He is gonna take it. He's gone. Good luck to him. Focus on what we are going to get.

He's not that good.

Yeh, the 70's. That's when Alves, Keenan and Wells went for glory and $$$'s to North and Carlton.

Good post.

We have squandered so many 1st round picks one could argue we are in this mire from our own incompetence. Does that mean we don't deserve another PP?

Can't see how it's possible to be in a state that requires a priority pick WITHOUT stuffing something up. If the requirement is sitting stone last for half a decade without making a mistake in that time... Not gonna happen.

What team gets into this without it being 'their own incompetence'?

The argument that we 'have screwed up our chances' isn't an argument against us getting more chances, it is an argument FOR us to get more chances and nuts to our competitors who benefitted from our incompetence and are now trying to not give a sucker an even break.

Not only that RPFC, but many of them benefited from the same system they are arguing to deny us. Hawks and Pies built lists around PPs and Sydney, Gold Coast and GWS have had more concessions than anyone. Geelong is the only successful exception but they benefited from father son concessions that no longer exist.

On top of this we are competing to retain our best players in the prime of their careers due to free agency.

It is much harder now to climb the ladder than it was and we are coming from further back than any of those other teams were...

Not only that RPFC, but many of them benefited from the same system they are arguing to deny us. Hawks and Pies built lists around PPs and Sydney, Gold Coast and GWS have had more concessions than anyone. Geelong is the only successful exception but they benefited from father son concessions that no longer exist.

On top of this we are competing to retain our best players in the prime of their careers due to free agency.

It is much harder now to climb the ladder than it was and we are coming from further back than any of those other teams were...

Under the current father-son rules, Geelong would never have been able to draft Josh Bartel or Joel Selwood.

Under the current father-son rules, Geelong would never have been able to draft Josh Bartel or Joel Selwood.

They never drafted (Josh??) Bartel or Selwood as father-sons, they got them in the draft.

They did however get Ablett, Hawkins, etc as father-sons for bargain basement picks.

Dream on.....both the comp pick and the PP are governed by the "AFL Whim Rule"

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100% correct.

They never drafted (Josh??) Bartel or Selwood as father-sons, they got them in the draft.

They did however get Ablett, Hawkins, etc as father-sons for bargain basement picks.

Which picks would they have had to use for them under the current system?

Then, what players did they end up picking with those picks?

He wants $$$$ nothing more, nothing less. Can't stomach the pretence that it's anything different.

The filth can have him.

If he goes I hope its for $800,000 he isn't that good a player & it's a big chunk out of their cap. Dunn can play same role. Not the end of the world as long as we draft well and not bring in some NQRs.

Under the current father-son rules, Geelong would never have been able to draft Josh Bartel or Joel Selwood.

In fact, Hawkins would have cost a 1st rounder, meaning no Selwood, but in the case of Ablett the cats were more likely to have to use a 2nd rounder as Ablett wasn't rated quite as highly at the time... instead costing them Steve Johnson.

He wants $$$$ nothing more, nothing less. Can't stomach the pretence that it's anything different.

The filth can have him.

If he goes I hope its for $800,000 he isn't that good a player & it's a big chunk out of their cap. Dunn can play same role. Not the end of the world as long as we draft well and not bring in some NQRs.

In fact, Hawkins would have cost a 1st rounder, meaning no Selwood, but in the case of Ablett the cats were more likely to have to use a 2nd rounder as Ablett wasn't rated quite as highly at the time... instead costing them Steve Johnson.

Meant to write Jimmy Bartel. Josh Bartel was a prospect at one point who is a punter in the Canadian Football League. Either way, Geelong's dynasty heavily affected by them getting access to these players on the cheap and brilliant usage of there first rounders which they didn't have to exhaust. Hawkins 100% would have had first round bids. Ablett was highly rated at the time, was a bottom-ager and would have gone top 5-8, whether another club bid who knows, but Johnson serves the point equally well. Interestingly, Bartel obviously taken one pick before Molan and Johnson one pick immediately before Armstrong and Rogers. Suspect we probably would have taken Molan anyway but Bartel in his bottom year played one of the best junior games I've seen in a helmet for the Falcons at Kardinia Park in a curtain raiser before a GeelongvDees match so who knows but maybe another argument for a Priority Pick. How the old father/son rules robbed us