Cameron Bruce Promoted

[Demonland 72,193]

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Congrats to Brucey. Hope he returns to the nest one day.

[jnrmac 20,065]

Why the love?

Was offered a 1 yr deal, took a 1yr deal at the Dorks for less money than we were offering. Broke down after 1 year and a bit.

No love from me.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,241]

He gave us 10 or so years loyal service and left to play finals at a time when Melbourne was making all senior players feel very shaky - eg Jnr. I'd welcome him back in the future.

[corowa 216]

Why the love?

Was offered a 1 yr deal, took a 1yr deal at the Dorks for less money than we were offering. Broke down after 1 year and a bit.

No love from me.

Cameron Bruce played a lot of very good games for us, which I appreciate.

Today's football is endemic of players playing at more than one club. Sometimes it is their choice - often it is the choice of their old club.

Loyalty for the jumper is becoming more old fashioned and less common with the passing of each year.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Still wearing the "Tracky Dacs".

[Adam The God 30,259]

Wow, the old MFC connection just gets stronger at the Hawks. Clarkson, Fagan, Beveridge, Yze and Bruce.

[Rogue 585]

Wow, the old MFC connection just gets stronger at the Hawks. Clarkson, Fagan, Beveridge, Yze and Bruce.

No wonder they're so successful.

[deejammin' 2,370]

Actually, with three vacant assistant coaching positions we have Junior (GWS), Green (Carlton), Bruce (Hawthorn) and Yze (Hawthorn) in key positions after having being burnt by our club. Perhaps if we had handled the exits of our senior players better we could have kept these valuable indiviudals as part of our club, or at the very least not feeling angry at us.

I'm not saying we could have had all these guys as coaches, but clearly other clubs see value in players we chose to show the exit.

[Adam The God 30,259]

Actually, I reckon it might work out well. Let them gain experience at a successful club and then we can pillage those clubs later.

[DemonOX 8,791]

Why the love?

Was offered a 1 yr deal, took a 1yr deal at the Dorks for less money than we were offering. Broke down after 1 year and a bit.

No love from me.

Please bailey was coach at the time nuff said.

Bruce is a quality guy who the MFC burned like other senior players.

He deserved better.

Edited October 14, 2013 by DemonOX

[deejammin' 2,370]

Actually, I reckon it might work out well. Let them gain experience at a successful club and then we can pillage those clubs later.

I would agree with that, but I think all four players, particularly Junior, Bruce and Yze, left the club on very bad terms. Junior was already unwilling to come back this year at least partly due to residual bad blood.

Anyway, its not entirely my point, we let go of 4 players at a time where we desperately needed strong leaders to drive standards citing a need to bring in more youth. As a result these players have had little to nothing to do with the club since. Also many on here questioned the leadership abilities of a couple of these guys (Mainly Green, Bruce and Yze) only for two of them to have strong roles with the reigning premiers coaching panel and the other coaching the midfield of the club which finished 6th. If we had have let these players finish out for one or two years each we may not have been as desperate for experience as to engage in the Rodan/Byrnes experiment and may have been able for them to move straight into development roles. Instead we have to rebuild our list by trading for experienced players and have very little contact with these past champions.

[Machsy 2,858]

Why the love?

Was offered a 1 yr deal, took a 1yr deal at the Dorks for less money than we were offering. Broke down after 1 year and a bit.

No love from me.

I remember it differently.

Offered less money, but 2 years at Hawks versus our 1 year offer.

I don't blame him too much.

Junior's received treatment & the contract offer would've given him a severe wakeup call that his career was quickly coming to an end, and I think the smart option was to get involved in a different organisation with a different culture.

Smart career move really. Don't know where he'd be if he'd have stayed at MFC.

[Biffen 12,943]

Cannot remember Yze ever being considered a leader.

If he kicked 4 and his opponent 3 then it was a good day.

I loved watching Yze play but the general vibe was that he was slack.

[DeeSpencer 25,711]

I remember it differently.

Offered less money, but 2 years at Hawks versus our 1 year offer.

I don't blame him too much.

Junior's received treatment & the contract offer would've given him a severe wakeup call that his career was quickly coming to an end, and I think the smart option was to get involved in a different organisation with a different culture.

Smart career move really. Don't know where he'd be if he'd have stayed at MFC.

1 year deal with an option for a second year if he played the required games wasn't it? But the increased intensity at training and in games at Hawthorn ended up with him breaking down.

In some ways he was gutless just like he became on the field. The club had already seen that letting go Junior might have been a mistake and that if his body held up he would've got the second year. Not to mention he waited until after Junior was prematurely retired to then leave. I bet if the club knew Bruce was going at the end of 2010 they might have kept Junior

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,602]

Yze was not even in the same slackness league as our current list

cam Bruce in my opinion is a club champion who basically had to step up a notch and did so when Scott Thompson left. If Guerra hadn't injured him round 12 ish 2004 he might have won a brownlow. He was way ahead.

cam took a two year deal at the hawks I'm 99% certain?

[Machsy 2,858]

In some ways, but I hated him being a player at the club (not the man himself) so I was happy he left.

[DemonFrog 1,354]

Why the love?

Was offered a 1 yr deal, took a 1yr deal at the Dorks for less money than we were offering. Broke down after 1 year and a bit.

No love from me.

[Grimes Times 1,278]

I would agree with that, but I think all four players, particularly Junior, Bruce and Yze, left the club on very bad terms. Junior was already unwilling to come back this year at least partly due to residual bad blood.

Anyway, its not entirely my point, we let go of 4 players at a time where we desperately needed strong leaders to drive standards citing a need to bring in more youth. As a result these players have had little to nothing to do with the club since. Also many on here questioned the leadership abilities of a couple of these guys (Mainly Green, Bruce and Yze) only for two of them to have strong roles with the reigning premiers coaching panel and the other coaching the midfield of the club which finished 6th. If we had have let these players finish out for one or two years each we may not have been as desperate for experience as to engage in the Rodan/Byrnes experiment and may have been able for them to move straight into development roles. Instead we have to rebuild our list by trading for experienced players and have very little contact with these past champions.

The bold section ( Jnr excepted) was the problem. Stack Green, Bruce and Yze up against strong leaders like Selwood Hodge. Not even in the ball park.

As for Green coaching the midfield of Carlton, I think you'll find he is/was nothing more than the development coach. Sim to Satterly at Melb.

[deejammin' 2,370]

The bold section ( Jnr excepted) was the problem. Stack Green, Bruce and Yze up against strong leaders like Selwood Hodge. Not even in the ball park.

As for Green coaching the midfield of Carlton, I think you'll find he is/was nothing more than the development coach. Sim to Satterly at Melb.

I disagree, (with the exception of Yze who Biffen correctly states was not a leader, however it would have been good to not dump him so ungraciously as to lose his presence around the club) I think Bruce is a quality football brain and got the most out of himself and had we not been so stubborn on his deal, would have stayed, or at least would have been willing to walk in the door of our club. Green did the best he could in a bad situation, he may be a development coach, but many quality coaches are in development (See Gavin Brown at North), also I would have rathered see Greeny lead for another year than Gillies, Rodan, Pedersen or Byrnes enter our list. It was a bad decision.

One of the major reasons for our current predicament was our inability to correctly assess the value of our senior players. So much so now we are willing to trade the 2nd highest draft pick just to gain it! Not to mention our disastrous intake of experienced players last year. We got rid of quality people too early, didn't recognise the value of them instilling high training standards and setting the example and we are now reaping the consequences. The Junior decision was the worst, but it was part of a general philsophy that palmed off many senior players who are now seen by quality clubs to have value. It astounds me that after the past 6 years people are still defending our list management decisions. Clearly they failed!

Edited October 15, 2013 by deejammin'

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

both Oooze and Bruce were like Gary Ablett Jnr compared to the likes of Miller and Jamar

[H_T 3,047]

I heard the role is midfield coach? Is that right?

Be a bit daunting and overwhelming coaching the likes of Mitchell, Hodge, Lewis and co..if you were Bruce...

[dee-luded 2,959]

It's likely he'll make a better coach, than player. understanding the game came easy to bruce.

[Bedraggled Dee 336]

Good on him, he was a good player for us. I was always surprised at his stats after the game because I often walked away with the impression he didnt get much of the ball but then ended up with 25 touches with a high efficiency. His positional play was great. It is disappointing that we have been unable to retain within the club quality blokes like Jnr, Bruce and Green.

There is no doubt we culled too many too early burng a few bridges on the way, to rely on what have tunred out to be poor draft picks to take up the slack that as youngsters were cruelled by long term injuries. Add in poor player development and the exodus of a few free agents in recent years and you have the recipe for the mess we are in now.

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,602]

Cam Bruce was the best midfielder in the league for a period at the start of the 2004 or 2005? premiership season.

We would literally die for a player of his calibre now.

Edited October 15, 2013 by Norm Smith's Curse

[jnrmac 20,065]

1 year deal with an option for a second year if he played the required games wasn't it? But the increased intensity at training and in games at Hawthorn ended up with him breaking down.

In some ways he was gutless just like he became on the field. The club had already seen that letting go Junior might have been a mistake and that if his body held up he would've got the second year. Not to mention he waited until after Junior was prematurely retired to then leave. I bet if the club knew Bruce was going at the end of 2010 they might have kept Junior

Thats what I remember. he procrastinated on his deal and after we sent Junior packing, Bruce bailed. Did us or Junior no favours.