So, where to from here with pick 2?

[DemonTux 97]

im all for trading pick 2 for 2 picks in the top 20.... like 8 and 17 or something....

[Machsy 2,858]

  On 29/09/2013 at 10:17, rpfc said:

Crows fan?

Stupid crows fan?

(Doesn't understand that Sylvia is a FA)

[Chook 15,051]

  On 29/09/2013 at 10:28, DemonTux said:

im all for trading pick 2 for 2 picks in the top 20.... like 8 and 17 or something....

I agree. Just as with the Tom Scully situation, I'd trade 1 for 2 any day. I think a team with deep class is more useful than one with a shallow elite group. Not only that, but with the uncertain nature of draft picks the ability to turn over a larger number of players is very helpful.

[whatwhat say what 23,729]

So what do you want to accept?

All of these guesses are speculative and not trying to be too outlandish...

Adelaide - Rory Sloane and David McKay

Brisbane - Tom Rockliff, James Polkinghorne and their first pick for 2 and 20

Carlton - no idea

Collingwood - Sidebottom, their Thomas compo and their second rounder for pick 2 and 20

Essendon - no idea

Footscray - Wallis and their first rounder

Freo - Mundy and their first round pick

Geelong - Duncan, Smedts and their first round pick

GC17 - Swallow and their first rounder for 2 and 20

GWS - Adams / Shiel / Tyson and their mid round 1 banked compo pick for 2 and 20

Hawthorn - Lewis, Savage and their first rounder for 2 and 20

North - no idea

Port - Wines (ha!)

Richmond - Ellis and Vlastuin

St Kilda - no idea

Sydney - Kennedy and first rounder

West coast - Gaff and their first round pick for 2 and 20

Sydney is probably the most likely which is laughable. Surely they have to free up some cap space!

[Dr. Gonzo 24,461]

Haha good one. Wait you are joking right?

[Whispering_Jack 31,330]

I don't think a day is allowed to go by without someone at Melbourne announcing that the club is likely to trade selection two in the upcoming trade period. In fact, it's getting to the stage where it's downright embarrassing to hear the trade pick two mantra from our officials because it sounds very much as if we're inviting all comers to make us an offer and nobody's biting.

I know the official trades haven't started yet but I hope we have somebody or something lined up because, notwithstanding that the second pick will get us a very good player, we're going to look fairly incompetent if we come up with nothing during the trade period after so heavily promoting this idea.

[rpfc 28,994]

As a club we have worried about perception for far too long.

If we pick a talent at 2 then great.

If those experienced bodies have to wait a year. Then that is fine.

If Frawley decides to leave, we will make him rue the decision and move on.

I don't care if we don't get respect or things don't go exactly to plan, just develop a backbone and some ruthlessness and make some good decisions.

[beelzebub 23,392]

Seem they will be looking over the offers this weekend. Can only take the club at its word.

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,486]

I think we are being inundated with less than substantial offers. The club is just playing the game as are the others. As previously mentioned if no suitable offers are made we have a pretty good pick in the draft. We need to show faith in the new team.

[beelzebub 23,392]

The offers become starting points. If something piques our interest we progress from there.

All else fails we snag a kid. Not EOW really is it

[Biffen 12,949]

  On 29/09/2013 at 10:28, DemonTux said:

im all for trading pick 2 for 2 picks in the top 20.... like 8 and 17 or something....

Sensible given that top 5s get a bit demanding and are hit and miss.

We have a team full of them.

Tom Mac is about the only one that we fluked.( taken in the 70s)

[Return to Glory 8,518]

Fluked is the word. I know we have mismanaged players but surely we are due some luck in that regards. To be able to fluke our version of a Nat Fyfe at pick 17 or whatever it is.

[John Dee 445]

  On 03/10/2013 at 22:58, Biffen said:

Sensible given that top 5s get a bit demanding and are hit and miss.

We have a team full of them.

Tom Mac is about the only one that we fluked.( taken in the 70s)

Jeremy Howe?

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 03/10/2013 at 20:36, rpfc said:

As a club we have worried about perception for far too long.

If we pick a talent at 2 then great.

If those experienced bodies have to wait a year. Then that is fine.

If Frawley decides to leave, we will make him rue the decision and move on.

I don't care if we don't get respect or things don't go exactly to plan, just develop a backbone and some ruthlessness and make some good decisions.

i think youre very much on the money here. We ( as club's supporters ) often develop what I can only akin to some form of Stockholm syndrome whereby affection and support is showered upon those that wear the jumper often without the recipients being justly deserved of such fawning. its a desperation for anything resembling success that the thought of losing anyone...ANYONE becomes too painful. Its really a condition bordering on the ridiculous.

I candidly confess to sitting at the opposite end of the table whereby all players are effectively widgets in the great scheme of things and i attach no real affection or need for them. They simply represent the club of my choice and I only wish the best set of players to do so. I acknowledge its all too easy to develop a fondness for the y way certain types play and go about their craft.

Youre right RPFC .If Chip ups and leaves...so be it...get another and so on and so on. Hawthorn arent going to sook and sulk because Buddy left, theyll double their efforts to win the next game. So must we.

We arent going to get it all right every time. Who does. But you cant not do things for fear it might go arrse-up etc. The successful fail all the time.They just succeed more often and bigger than they lose. Thats all. Some folk seem to want of some mythical 'perfect Melbourne team' it wont happen. Football is organic. we need to keep moving towards it but not be affraid to chop and change and seize opportunities. Sometimes there is a trade off cost.

So be it and bring it on

Go Dees

[old55 23,850]

  On 02/10/2013 at 13:30, DemonAndrew said:

So what do you want to accept?

All of these guesses are speculative and not trying to be too outlandish...

Adelaide - Rory Sloane and David McKay

Brisbane - Tom Rockliff, James Polkinghorne and their first pick for 2 and 20

Carlton - no idea

Collingwood - Sidebottom, their Thomas compo and their second rounder for pick 2 and 20

Essendon - no idea

Footscray - Wallis and their first rounder

Freo - Mundy and their first round pick

Geelong - Duncan, Smedts and their first round pick

GC17 - Swallow and their first rounder for 2 and 20

GWS - Adams / Shiel / Tyson and their mid round 1 banked compo pick for 2 and 20

Hawthorn - Lewis, Savage and their first rounder for 2 and 20

North - no idea

Port - Wines (ha!)

Richmond - Ellis and Vlastuin

St Kilda - no idea

Sydney - Kennedy and first rounder

West coast - Gaff and their first round pick for 2 and 20

Sydney is probably the most likely which is laughable. Surely they have to free up some cap space!

Totally ludicrous over-valuing of our side of those deal

[Biffen 12,949]

  On 03/10/2013 at 23:12, John Dee said:

Jeremy Howe?

Jeremy Howe was recruited under the "Footy show Hangers from Tassy" draft rule that allows us to pluck a Taswegian from obscurity every 10 years.

AKA "The Robbo Rule".

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

we are in a win- win situation really:

Win 1. Use pick 2 on a star/rising star a la Rockliff etc.

OR

Win 2. Pick the best young midfielder in the country through the draft.

Happy days i say.

[PJ_12345 1,098]

I'm surprised Adelaide hasn't offered anyone to trade considering that they won't have any first or second round picks - including father sons.

It would be a tough deal as they only have players and third round picks to barter with but I'm surprised not even Sloane was on the table just to see what they could get...

[Hannibal 5,814]

  On 04/10/2013 at 00:34, PJ_12345 said:

I'm surprised Adelaide hasn't offered anyone to trade considering that they won't have any first or second round picks - including father sons.

How do you know they haven't ?

[PJ_12345 1,098]

  On 04/10/2013 at 01:32, Ben-Hur said:

How do you know they haven't ?

Publicly they haven't put any trade bait up and the only non-free agent they have expressed any interest in is Robinson but has been reported as a not likely to happen.

So far they don't have any trades out going and all of their delistings have been on their rookie list.

It's pretty clear they would rather keep their current list and go down the free agency road...

[Hannibal 5,814]

They're keen to get into the draft from reports I've heard and names such as Vince and Henderson have popped up.

As the next fortnight unfolds I'm sure Adelaide will try and improve their draft position. Not everything is played out in the media.

[old55 23,850]

If Varcoe is on the outer at the Cats I'd consider pick 2 for Varcoe and Horlin-Smith. We could do Myers for the Sylvia compo, Savage for Blease (maybe a 3 way) and Cross as DFA. That would boost our stocks and leave us with 2nd, 3rd and 4th round in tact.

[Moonshadow 17,678]

  On 05/10/2013 at 04:22, Fifty-5 said:

If Varcoe is on the outer at the Cats I'd consider pick 2 for Varcoe and Horlin-Smith. We could do Myers for the Sylvia compo, Savage for Blease (maybe a 3 way) and Cross as DFA. That would boost our stocks and leave us with 2nd, 3rd and 4th round in tact.

Cats rate Horlin-Smith very highly. They won't part with him. They rate him higher than his current market value.

[Demoneyes 562]

  On 04/10/2013 at 00:34, PJ_12345 said:

I'm surprised Adelaide hasn't offered anyone to trade considering that they won't have any first or second round picks - including father sons.

It would be a tough deal as they only have players and third round picks to barter with but I'm surprised not even Sloane was on the table just to see what they could get...

Maybe they have done a deal with the Dees and are both keeping it quiet? Other than the announcing every 2nd day that we will trade the 2nd pick for the right player, nothing much else is coming out of the club. That's a good thing. Loving the suspense and thinking postitve!

[Machsy 2,858]

  On 05/10/2013 at 05:05, Moonshadow said:

Cats rate Horlin-Smith very highly. They won't part with him. They rate him higher than his current market value.

That's ridiculous.

They definitely would trade Horlin-Smith for pick 2.

Whilst he has been highly rated in the past, they expected him to come on a bit more this season than he has.

And even then, he was never rated highly enough to ignore pick 2.