POST MATCH DISCUSSION

[DemonOX 8,541]

Can u imagine how much the Doggies are going to spank us by in the last round.

Geez cant wait.

But at least we are consistent in that we start the season with a flogging and will end it the same way!!

[drdrake 3,045]

Strauss was ok today until injured. I can understand having a loose man in defense but watts wasn't there as a defensive player he was to deep and was there to set up play going forward, this had to have been a coach thing because to have a player standing where watts was avoiding any body contact or any defensive acts no player in the afl could get away with this unless it was a coach instruction. Craig is either an extremely bad coach or is scared to put jack under pressure either way that was bad coaching today.

To me having jack that deep was taking him out of the game and he had no impact at all and going forward Freo loose man toweled us. Craig took any chance for us to play our best footy, we where never going to win but two weeks in a row the coach took our best forward that was playing to a position of little impact.

Saying the above watts was bad today one of the softest performance by any individual this year he has a few mates but he continues to put these performances up

[Don24 103]

I thought Strauss was looking great before injured... frustrating for the kid!

[Deespicable 2,562]

The thing about Craig's decision to play Jack Watts down back, which was mentioned on radio post game, is that having him play loose as the extra defender teaches him nothing about defensive pressure. If he was manning Pavlich, then at least he might pick up a few tips on intensity or just a lesson in how to lead up as a forward. But no, Jack is used as a roam free quarterback and puts in an insipid effort and plays way too deep most of time and makes possibly one intercept mark for the entire game. Rivers would have taken five. Garland probably 10. Whose fault is that? Jack's or the coach?

The second observation is that poor Troy Davis has come in and played two games as a forward and tried but does not possess the tools for this level (not quick, not a powerful mark, not a thumping kick). He will probably get dropped and is a very high chance of getting delisted. It's nice that we played him, but it would have been nice if we'd seen whether he was up to it as a defender at AFL level. Whose fault is that. Troy's or the coach?

[beelzebub 22,268]

What did I really take from this game

Craig doesnt think Watts will be at Melbourne in 2014

Watts doesnt think Craig will be at Melbourne in 2014

[jumbo returns 6,514]

It's tough to accept that there's been another stuffed up pick.

Now, he has to go.

Edited August 18, 2013 by jumbo returns

[Pennant St Dee 11,358]

PSD has gone quiet.

I hope you enjoyed the 10 minutes of effort today. You had a go at me in the 2nd Q and i think we kicked 1 goal for the reat of the fcuking day.

Lift your expectations mate. I want to go to the football in September. These lazy prickz won't take us anywhere apart from JV Dawes & hopefully Clark.

The rest can walk.

PSD has gone quiet.

I hope you enjoyed the 10 minutes of effort today. You had a go at me in the 2nd Q and i think we kicked 1 goal for the reat of the fcuking day.

Lift your expectations mate. I want to go to the football in September. These lazy prickz won't take us anywhere apart from JV Dawes & hopefully Clark.

The rest can walk.

No WYL PSD had to go out and watched the last quarter away from home, please tell me again those boys I named before didn't put effort in,, FFS they just aren't that good and its the likes of Watts, Sylvia and Howe who are meant to provide the polish are a big part of the problem. Sylvia does although look like he is having a crack now and again. Also not to mention the players we had out. But you stay true with calling them pea hearts because many will be playing for the next couple of years from that list I gave you.

We play the Doggies on Sept 1st head along and see the boys play for the first time since round 2 if it means that much to you. You think you have higher standards than the rest of us you don't, you have short sightedness. That Freo side has a lot of very very average footballers who just play a system and the 6/8 quality players they have on their list, those players I named in the game day thread could fit very easily into that Freo side don't think for a minute they couldn't

Edited August 18, 2013 by Pennant St Dee

[titan_uranus 22,635]

Currently watching the Bulldogs play with absolute passion.

It hurts.

Just a comment on the Bulldogs:

After losing to us in Round 14 this year, the Bulldogs's previous 24 games had yielded 3 wins and 21 losses.

They've turned things around since then, for various reasons, but, along with Port's change from 2012 to 2013, it ought give us hope that, even in the darkest and deepest holes, there is always the chance that things will improve sooner than people think.

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

Just a comment on the Bulldogs:

After losing to us in Round 14 this year, the Bulldogs's previous 24 games had yielded 3 wins and 21 losses.

They've turned things around since then, for various reasons, but, along with Port's change from 2012 to 2013, it ought give us hope that, even in the darkest and deepest holes, there is always the chance that things will improve sooner than people think.

i understand what you mean, but for the past 7 years now i have been watching plenty of other teams "improve sooner than people think" hoping that we will do the same and everything will be ok again. But as each season passes i am left bitterly disappointed, just like this season as the Bulldogs and Port have improved sooner than everyone thought. When is it our turn?

[Earl Hood 5,804]

The thing about Craig's decision to play Jack Watts down back, which was mentioned on radio post game, is that having him play loose as the extra defender teaches him nothing about defensive pressure. If he was manning Pavlich, then at least he might pick up a few tips on intensity or just a lesson in how to lead up as a forward. But no, Jack is used as a roam free quarterback and puts in an insipid effort and plays way too deep most of time and makes possibly one intercept mark for the entire game. Rivers would have taken five. Garland probably 10. Whose fault is that? Jack's or the coach?

The second observation is that poor Troy Davis has come in and played two games as a forward and tried but does not possess the tools for this level (not quick, not a powerful mark, not a thumping kick). He will probably get dropped and is a very high chance of getting delisted. It's nice that we played him, but it would have been nice if we'd seen whether he was up to it as a defender at AFL level. Whose fault is that. Troy's or the coach?

Spot on I think the coach is burning these two kids. For heavens sake after what went on this week why would you throw Watts back as the loose backman but keep Davis forward in a dysfunctional forward line? Keep Watts forward and throw Davis back where he belongs would be the smart play. JW is learning nothing playing the loose backman I agree and not doing it well and can rightly ask if he is being developed!

[Sir Why You Little 34,697]

No WYL PSD had to go out and watched the last quarter away from home, please tell me again those boys I named before didn't put effort in,, FFS they just aren't that good and its the likes of Watts, Sylvia and Howe who are meant to provide the polish are a big part of the problem. Sylvia does although look like he is having a crack now and again. Also not to mention the players we had out. But you stay true with calling them pea hearts because many will be playing for the next couple of years from that list I gave you.

We play the Doggies on Sept 1st head along and see the boys play for the first time since round 2 if it means that much to you. You think you have higher standards than the rest of us you don't, you have short sightedness. That Freo side has a lot of very very average footballers who just play a system and the 6/8 quality players they have on their list, those players I named in the game day thread could fit very easily into that Freo side don't think for a minute they couldn't

Quit making excuses PSD, none of this list of cream puffs deserve it.

Hard work is beyond this lot. CS rewarded them before anything was done.

Don't question my support mate. Its been there since 1971.

This list of freeloaders are not playing football in 2013..it is not worth going. You can if you want, but you are wasting your time.

THE PLAYERS DO NOT CARE. And until they do it is we the supporter who get burnt.

Hell the players will be paid this week. Grimes and Trengove Captains wages!!! That is actually perversly funny

[melbournefc 18]

Some of the positives to come from the weekend was the big win to Casey. I have posted a photo roll to my blog for you guys to check out > http://www.theaussieword.com/2013/08/casey-scorpions-james-magner-blitz.html

Great to have Joel sent off with a 'win'..

[jumbo returns 6,514]

Some of the positives to come from the weekend was the big win to Casey. I have posted a photo roll to my blog for you guys to check out > http://www.theaussieword.com/2013/08/casey-scorpions-james-magner-blitz.html

Great to have Joel sent off with a 'win'..

Aha! Is that what a win looks like?

Many thanks.

[1 red eye 1 blue eye 759]

Thanks for that melbournefc has helped somewhat with the pain from today!

[rjay 23,965]

Quit making excuses PSD, none of this list of cream puffs deserve it.

Hard work is beyond this lot. CS rewarded them before anything was done.

Don't question my support mate. Its been there since 1971.

This list of freeloaders are not playing football in 2013..it is not worth going. You can if you want, but you are wasting your time.

THE PLAYERS DO NOT CARE. And until they do it is we the supporter who get burnt.

Hell the players will be paid this week. Grimes and Trengove Captains wages!!! That is actually perversly funny

'WYL', I agree with some of what you post but on this I agree with 'Pennant'. I think our guys are having a crack, I just don't think they have either the ability or confidence to compete with the top teams. Craig can't turn around the damage that's been done over the last 7 or so years in a few weeks.

It's really hard to watch a game when you know deep down that your side has no chance or winning and that's virtually every game for us. It's soul destroying, but I do think the players are trying. They just don't know how to play good footy together, and of course some of them are not at the level.

I'm totally with you on the CS regime but now it's time to move on, I know it's difficult but the new broom is almost through the club. Let PJ and President (Jed) Bartlett do their thing.

[Sir Why You Little 34,697]

'WYL', I agree with some of what you post but on this I agree with 'Pennant'. I think our guys are having a crack, I just don't think they have either the ability or confidence to compete with the top teams. Craig can't turn around the damage that's been done over the last 7 or so years in a few weeks.

It's really hard to watch a game when you know deep down that your side has no chance or winning and that's virtually every game for us. It's soul destroying, but I do think the players are trying. They just don't know how to play good footy together, and of course some of them are not at the level.

I'm totally with you on the CS regime but now it's time to move on, I know it's difficult but the new broom is almost through the club. Let PJ and President (Jed) Bartlett do their thing.

How can you say this list is having a crack for more than 10 minutes rjay??

[rjay 23,965]

How can you say this list is having a crack for more than 10 minutes rjay??

They just aren't good enough 'wyl', I don't know if you've played or not but I've played in games where we've blown teams out of the water and games where we've been blown away. Everyone had a crack, it's just some teams and players are better and some have a much better system of play. Sometimes I will give you that teams are not mentally switched on but when you are getting whacked week after week it is no wonder.

A lot of supporters get on here and say we don't mind so long as the players have a crack, well then they have a go at someone like Davis. the kid's in his 2nd game, he doesn't seem blessed with loads of skill but he has worked had at Casey and deserved a game and he looks lost as a forward and at the level but he tried as hard as he could. He may not make it but he is giving it his best shot.

They don't play for each other because they are not sure if targets will be hit or if it will rebound to their opponent. Think in the 2nd Q where we were playing some good footy, we attacked hard, did all the right things got the ball into a scoring position but the bounce went the wrong way. That's deflating to a team like ours who have crunched for the last couple of years. The players went back into their shells.

An interesting thing happened in the Geelong game last night where Rivers dropped into Mackie's space. Well of course he was just doing the Melbourne thing and not thinking about how a team like Geelong plays, players move to position with a purpose and more often than not it works because they trust in their teammate. Jared coped a server from Mackie, at Melbourne we don't know how to do this and we don't have the skills to execute that bring the trust from teammates to take the options.

[Sir Why You Little 34,697]

They just aren't good enough 'wyl', I don't know if you've played or not but I've played in games where we've blown teams out of the water and games where we've been blown away. Everyone had a crack, it's just some teams and players are better and some have a much better system of play. Sometimes I will give you that teams are not mentally switched on but when you are getting whacked week after week it is no wonder.

A lot of supporters get on here and say we don't mind so long as the players have a crack, well then they have a go at someone like Davis. the kid's in his 2nd game, he doesn't seem blessed with loads of skill but he has worked had at Casey and deserved a game and he looks lost as a forward and at the level but he tried as hard as he could. He may not make it but he is giving it his best shot.

They don't play for each other because they are not sure if targets will be hit or if it will rebound to their opponent. Think in the 2nd Q where we were playing some good footy, we attacked hard, did all the right things got the ball into a scoring position but the bounce went the wrong way. That's deflating to a team like ours who have crunched for the last couple of years. The players went back into their shells.

An interesting thing happened in the Geelong game last night where Rivers dropped into Mackie's space. Well of course he was just doing the Melbourne thing and not thinking about how a team like Geelong plays, players move to position with a purpose and more often than not it works because they trust in their teammate. Jared coped a server from Mackie, at Melbourne we don't know how to do this and we don't have the skills to execute that bring the trust from teammates to take the options.

i agree with a lot of what you say. But 90% of this list refuse or cannot learn. They are cooked because of the previous regime's template of taking the easy way out.

[Winners at last 4,791]

Time to trade Watts, Sylvia, Blease and Tapscott why they have some currency.

I doubt also whether Grimes and Trengove would get a game elsewhere.

Would need 3 or 4 priority picks to make this team competitive.

Tapscott has some currency? I suspect his value could be measured in Zimbabwian dollars.

[rjay 23,965]

i agree with a lot of what you say. But 90% of this list refuse or cannot learn. They are cooked because of the previous regime's template of taking the easy way out.

I blame the previous regime for a lot 'wyl', if anything it may have been the type of players recruited, the culture of the club and of course the coaches hired. I think as 'old dee' will say tomorrow when he get's online that a lot of them just aren't good enough. I'm a little bit more upbeat than 'old' and think with some of them it is a confidence issue but a lot aren't good enough.

[Sir Why You Little 34,697]

I blame the previous regime for a lot 'wyl', if anything it may have been the type of players recruited, the culture of the club and of course the coaches hired. I think as 'old dee' will say tomorrow when he get's online that a lot of them just aren't good enough. I'm a little bit more upbeat than 'old' and think with some of them it is a confidence issue but a lot aren't good enough.

But they were all good enough when they were drafted. I think we drafted very badly for what we REALLY needed. But for the players to not fight against a lot of players who would have come from the same drafts!!

[rjay 23,965]

But they were all good enough when they were drafted. I think we drafted very badly for what we REALLY needed. But for the players to not fight against a lot of players who would have come from the same drafts!!

I understand you pain 'wyl'. I've been in it since Baileys first game as coach, we rolled over that day and have never really been back on our feet.

[Sir Why You Little 34,697]

I understand you pain 'wyl'. I've been in it since Baileys first game as coach, we rolled over that day and have never really been back on our feet.

Yes that game against Hawthorn. Not much has happened since has it. Our players do not learn, & the club is not tough enough on them. They better be in 3 weeks time.

[bing181 8,188]

Tapscott has some currency? I suspect his value could be measured in Zimbabwian dollars.

If you can still find any. Currency suspended in 2009.

Not looking good for Tapscott then.

[Winners at last 4,791]

If you can still find any. Currency suspended in 2009.

Not looking good for Tapscott then.

Indeed.