WELCOME TO DEMONLAND - PAUL ROOS

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

I reckon we should go for Williams. Hard.

The discussion about Roos coaching us next year seems similar to a nerdy teenage boy wondering whether the hottest teenage girl in the class likes him based on the odd flick of an eyelid, despite her actually expressly stating that she's not interested in dating the nerd ...

Edited July 16, 2013 by Ron Burgundy

[Mickey 4,173]

I reckon we should go for Williams. Hard.

The discussion about Roos coaching us next year seems similar to a nerdy teenage boy wondering whether the hottest teenage girl in the class likes him based on the odd flick of an eyelid, despite her actually expressly stating that she's not actually interested in dating the nerd ...

She's not interested in dating the nerd... At this stage

[McQueen 17,864]

Roos simply cannot say anything other than "I don't know if I'm interested in coaching Melbourne next year."

What if he said "coaching the MFC is something that really appeals to me." The place would go into overdrive, the media berserk, he'd have cameras so far up his nose and journos annoying the absolute sht out of him at every move.

Things need to change for him to become interested. Whatever they are, Jackson is working on.

People on here are demanding the best possible candidate going around but are all too quick to dismiss Roos because he has a few conditions and won't fully commit?.

Eade and Williams are top line coaches but lets exhaust all avenues available to get Roos before we go there.

Hang tight!

Edited July 15, 2013 by McQueen

[hardtack 10,127]

People on here are demanding the best possible candidate going around but are all too quick to dismiss Roos because he has a few conditions and won't fully commit?.

What we are demanding will have nothing to do with Roos decision. I hope that we get him, but watching him last night I got the impression that the OTC joke is wearing thin and that he is genuinely not interested in the position next year... and if he doesn't take it next year, he is out of reach for at least the next 3 years. Last night he mentioned nothing about conditions other than the fact that money is not going to be the deciding factor.

[mjt 640]

I doubt he'll be our coach next year and think we should move on; the longer this hangs around the more damage it will do to us if he finally says no which I think he will. No one wants to play for us no one wants to coach us, what a debacle.

Love him to be the coach but if he won't say he is giving it consideration then it has to be a no.

Yes I know all the other part about the Board etc. but I just can't se him accepting and at the end of it he merely has to point to his previous comments. He has never said he will and all we are doing is working ourselves in to a lather.

Craig, Eade, Williams are the most obvious options and Craig is there and will call a spade a spade without insulting or putting the players offside.

Neil Craig is not the m an for the job, that's like Swan talking over from Gillard, he watched over Neelds shoulder for the last 18 months and failed miserably, if they hire him that means they never even tried, I think PJ is smarter than that, Eade or Williams are the choices and I must say there pretty good candidates. Edited July 15, 2013 by mjt

[timD 994]

Well looks like the AFL Package is about to be announced and from reading this Craig seems to be on the outer and if Roos won't take the job it's Eade or Williams.

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/25m-to-help-dees-get-house-in-order-20130715-2q0a6.html

The bail-out package will be used to partly fund the payouts of sacked senior coach Mark Neeld, worth nearly $600,000, former chief executive Cameron Schwab and former football manager Chris Connolly.

Interim coach Neil Craig could also fall into this category should he be overlooked for the top job and not be required elsewhere at the club. He has a year to run on his contract.

The money could also be used to help lure a high-profile senior coach, such as Paul Roos, and an experienced football department boss.

What a joke that we have to get the AFL to fund the payout of Neeld, Schwab and Connolly, I guess they are all gone because the AFL wanted them gone.

How did the club get in this mess.

A few easy steps. Note that this is guesswork and a lot of filling in the blanks with "wot I rekon..."

1. AFL agitate for change and encourage Jimmy to form a board and run.

2. Jim convinced by AFL and G Lyon that club is in strife and thinks he can save it; gathers board;

3. AFL and Jim persuade incumbent board to leave; they do; smooth handover;

4. AFL encourage Jim to appoint CS;

5. Board fail to understand difference between watching/judging versus doing - so jim is getting involved in decisions at the club as well as evaluating how the decisions get made;

6. Jim gets too sick to then do his job and no-one replaces him...the board fiddle while the FD begins to burn;

7. 186 + gary lyon + sick Jim = bad decision making that gets entrenched in context of dying Jim and jock-sniffing board;

8. Neeld appointed by shocking process that lacks any integrity; board rubber stamp GL's decision;

9. Ongoing failure of board to evualute schwab, or monitor FD progress etc.

10. Players ruined by MN; Board watching helplessly;

Or in simple terms, we replaced a board of good decision makers with bad decision makers lead by a charismatic, physically compromised leader. The AFL helped agitate for much of this behind closed doors. This is as much their mess as it is ours.

[McQueen 17,864]

What we are demanding will have nothing to do with Roos decision. I hope that we get him, but watching him last night I got the impression that the OTC joke is wearing thin and that he is genuinely not interested in the position next year... and if he doesn't take it next year, he is out of reach for at least the next 3 years. Last night he mentioned nothing about conditions other than the fact that money is not going to be the deciding factor.

C'mon Hardtack, that last thing he is going to do is admit the conditions he has. He's stated that things need to change for him to become interested, some of those will be to do with the club and the others will be personal.

If he was genuinely not interested HE WOULD'VE SAID SO BY NOW!

So, I conclude, he's still interested.

[Bonkers 915]

Roos simply cannot say anything other than "I don't know if I'm interested in coaching Melbourne next year."

What if he said "coaching the MFC is something that really appeals to me." The place would go into overdrive, the media berserk, he'd have cameras so far up his nose and journos annoying the absolute sht out of him at every move.

Things need to change for him to become interested. Whatever they are, Jackson is working on.

People on here are demanding the best possible candidate going around but are all too quick to dismiss Roos because he has a few conditions and won't fully commit?.

Eade and Williams are top line coaches but lets exhaust all avenues available to get Roos before we go there.

Hang tight!

I agree McQueen, where there's smoke there's fire. This story has been going round for almost 5 months now. If he's not interested in the job why does the speculation continue? My take is that he is interested but only if the conditions suit him & that includes the AFL assistance package as well as the board & FD. Until all these issues are sorted I think the speculation will continue. He may not coach us but there has definitely been some level of negotiations held.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

He actually said at one point tonight, "I think Melbourne, as funny as it sounds, is an attractive prospect for an aspiring coach".

It was the equivalent of, "it's not you, it's me".

That's because it is, just need a few decent midfielders.

[hardtack 10,127]

C'mon Hardtack, that last thing he is going to do is admit the conditions he has. He's stated that things need to change for him to become interested, some of those will be to do with the club and the others will be personal.

If he was genuinely not interested HE WOULD'VE SAID SO BY NOW!

So, I conclude, he's still interested.

I would have thought that saying last night that he has no interest in coaching Melbourne probably equates to his not being interested. Yes, he didn't completely rule out coaching next year, but that does not necessarily mean that it would be the MFC.

[pitmaster 3,064]

Roos OTC: "You’ve got to be careful making closed statements. I can’t tell you what I’ll be doing next year or the year after. All I can tell you is Peter Jackson and I had a good discussion (3-4 weeks ago) he mentioned it on the radio. At the moment I said to him there’s no interest in me coaching a football club.

I think the Melbourne Football Club is an attractive, silly as it sounds, it’s a reasonably attractive proposition if you wanted to coach."

Door's open.

[McQueen 17,864]

I would have thought that saying last night that he has no interest in coaching Melbourne probably equates to his not being interested. Yes, he didn't completely rule out coaching next year, but that does not necessarily mean that it would be the MFC.

No interest "at the moment."

[Melbournepotter 264]

I want a competent, experienced, previously successful coach that can buy into the club and wants to coach. Roos gives me the impression he is not that interested in the job. I heard his comments this morning on radio and just don't think he's interested enough to take on the job. I don't want someone there just for the money.

As we are forming a panel for the selection of the coach and Roos says he's told Jackson he is not interested (and will advise Jackson if that changes) I think we are in the process of moving on. Roos appears to be number one choice but if he doesn't want it, we must move on. I still think Eade and Williams are the favourites if Roos doesn't want it, and I would favour Eade. I saw a lot of the Swans games under Eade and they rarely put in a collective bad performance/effort. I would hope he would have a similar affect on the club that John Northey did when he was coaching.

[Go the Biff 3,135]

A few easy steps. Note that this is guesswork and a lot of filling in the blanks with "wot I rekon..."

1. AFL agitate for change and encourage Jimmy to form a board and run.

2. Jim convinced by AFL and G Lyon that club is in strife and thinks he can save it; gathers board;

3. AFL and Jim persuade incumbent board to leave; they do; smooth handover;

4. AFL encourage Jim to appoint CS;

5. Board fail to understand difference between watching/judging versus doing - so jim is getting involved in decisions at the club as well as evaluating how the decisions get made;

6. Jim gets too sick to then do his job and no-one replaces him...the board fiddle while the FD begins to burn;

7. 186 + gary lyon + sick Jim = bad decision making that gets entrenched in context of dying Jim and jock-sniffing board;

8. Neeld appointed by shocking process that lacks any integrity; board rubber stamp GL's decision;

9. Ongoing failure of board to evualute schwab, or monitor FD progress etc.

10. Players ruined by MN; Board watching helplessly;

Or in simple terms, we replaced a board of good decision makers with bad decision makers lead by a charismatic, physically compromised leader. The AFL helped agitate for much of this behind closed doors. This is as much their mess as it is ours.

Not a bad summary. Pretty much on board with that except for the bolded part. There's no eveidence to support this. If there was , point 1 wouldn't have arisen.

[hardtack 10,127]

No interest "at the moment."

Did you watch OTC? If you did, you would have heard his responses to Shehan and Healey's direct questions where they put it to him whether he would be coaching the MFC next year, and in light of the fact that the bookmakers will be heeding his answer - he clearly stated that he has no interest in coaching the MFC next year (no "at the moment" was used at that time - I assume you got that from pitmaster's post). What he cited as having been said to PJ three weeks ago, WAS his position at that time and what he said last night IS his position in the here and now.

[Bombay Airconditioning 5,939]

I agree, I'd like to flush out those that are interested, as opposed to those that aren't, so we can have something tangible to discuss; I'd like to be in a position to talk about the merits of the candidates that want to coach us.

I'm sick of the rumours and innuendo and all the lip readers and amateur psychologists that can tell if someone is lying by the fact he scratched his nose; let's get some meat on the bone and talk facts.

In response to this post and your previous one.

No one wants to play for us - Mitch, Dawes , Watts, Col (not fussed about) first two came largely for money, who cares , now they're here they want to make a difference.

No one wants to coach us - I think there would be a couple of people - Choco, maybe a Scotty Burns. But everyone has kept their mouth shut because lately it's all about PAUL BLOODY ROOS. Without Lyon and Longmire(the brains behind the rujuvination of the current swans) you have an A grade motivator and how good of a tactical coach, we may never know.

Choco would install a culture into our players giving them a hard edge, has and continues to work with young players (GWS, young Vlaustin at Richmond, good tactically, dismembered the all conquering Lions and has won a flag. Same no as Roos. As I said in an earlier post Richmond will make the finals but won't do any damage. Next year is Hardwicks last year, if they continue to beat the rabble below them but continually fail against real opposition that translates into no progress. Knowing Richmond that might be enough to warrant an extension but if not Choco slots straight in at Punt Rd.

We can't let that happen.

[Barney Rubble 1,576]

If it happens, it happens.

If it doesn't, then we move on and interview Choco and Rocket at end of season

[Grand New Flag 3,226]

Anyone of the posters with ( inside info) like grand new flag have any updates

Sorry mate, I have nothing.

As I have said before, Roos will not make a decision until later in the season.

[beelzebub 22,225]

J H C...i wonder how more pages of pixels we can kill getting to that moment ( a decision ) lol

[66frank 63]

Just watched a recording of OTC.

I noticed that the first thing that Paul Roos said was that he had a chat with Peter Jackson and discussed SOME ISSUES.

I would be interested in knowing what these ISSUES might be and whether they needed to be addressed before he would consider the job.

Who knows, maybe we're all clutching at straws.

[Grand New Flag 3,226]

Roos simply cannot say anything other than "I don't know if I'm interested in coaching Melbourne next year."

What if he said "coaching the MFC is something that really appeals to me." The place would go into overdrive, the media berserk, he'd have cameras so far up his nose and journos annoying the absolute sht out of him at every move.

Things need to change for him to become interested. Whatever they are, Jackson is working on.

People on here are demanding the best possible candidate going around but are all too quick to dismiss Roos because he has a few conditions and won't fully commit?.

Eade and Williams are top line coaches but lets exhaust all avenues available to get Roos before we go there.

Hang tight!

Yes, that is my understanding. Roos has put conditions on a move to Melbourne and Peter Jackson & the AFL are trying to fill those conditions.

[beelzebub 22,225]

#1 condition... Make Tammi happy !!!

[beelzebub 22,225]

Just watched a recording of OTC.

I noticed that the first thing that Paul Roos said was that he had a chat with Peter Jackson and discussed SOME ISSUES.

I would be interested in knowing what these ISSUES might be and whether they needed to be addressed before he would consider the job.

Who knows, maybe we're all clutching at straws.

In a fashion it may be nothing as you suggest but it is a little bit more than "Well PJ rang me and we left it at that etc "

If one was a devotee of "who dunnits' and "spy thrillers' etc youd know theres nearly always an intermediary where meetings and collusions are needed to be kept clandestine.

This way he ( PR ) can quite legitimately say Ive only spoken to the CLUB and PJ that once.

there you are a few hundred more dead pixels !!! lol

Be interesting to know who might be doing that role currently.

[McQueen 17,864]

Did you watch OTC? If you did, you would have heard his responses to Shehan and Healey's direct questions where they put it to him whether he would be coaching the MFC next year, and in light of the fact that the bookmakers will be heeding his answer - he clearly stated that he has no interest in coaching the MFC next year (no "at the moment" was used at that time - I assume you got that from pitmaster's post). What he cited as having been said to PJ three weeks ago, WAS his position at that time and what he said last night IS his position in the here and now.

"All I can tell you is Peter [Jackson] and I had a good discussion ... at the moment, I said to him there's no interest in me coaching a football club."

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-15/roos-not-keen-to-coach?utm_medium=RSS

[hardtack 10,127]

Yes, that is my understanding. Roos has put conditions on a move to Melbourne and Peter Jackson & the AFL are trying to fill those conditions.

If that really is the case, then I would assume that the "conditions" relate to who Roos would want on his coaching team and may be dependent upon our ability to pay out any existing contracts and our ability to pay the incoming replacements - this would obviously be decided by the value of the AFL's assistance package.