Buddy's leap and goal - should not have been allowed

[Deetective Sgt. Taggert 389]

I just watched the replay of Buddy's leap and goal from the centre square against collingwood.

Not to take anything away from Buddy as it was a brilliant piece of play, but it is clear as day that he was on the receiving end of a obvious throw from his teammate, Stratton. You can see Stratton try to punch the ball with his right hand and then lob it with his left hand. The umpire was in a perfect position to see it too.

Not sure if this has been brought up anywhere but the commentators made no reference to it and I thought it was worth noting.

Just goes to reinforce that when you have momentum things will start go your way including umpiring decisions...

[Redjacket 756]

The handball looks fine to me:

[Deetective Sgt. Taggert 389]

Watch the reverse angle at the 50 second mark. Obvious throw but perhaps well hidden. Ever tried hand balling backwards to the right with your right hand while running forwards?

[stuie 7,374]

Is this really a thread?

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

It goes to show that when you have a superstar player inflaming a crowd of 80,000 people it is harder for an umpire to put the whistle to his mouth for a 50-50 call. As Melbourne supporters we have no idea about this.

[monoccular 17,573]

Not sure about the handball but the kick in looked possibly to have been over the line.

Bloody brilliant passage of play: hope our guys have had a good look at what can inspire, and not just for half a quarter.

[PJ_12345 1,098]

The good old Fletcher torp - Sheedy was a big fan of this type of play

[diesel 420]

I just watched the replay of Buddy's leap and goal from the centre square against collingwood.

Not to take anything away from Buddy as it was a brilliant piece of play, but it is clear as day that he was on the receiving end of a obvious throw from his teammate, Stratton. You can see Stratton try to punch the ball with his right hand and then lob it with his left hand. The umpire was in a perfect position to see it too.

Not sure if this has been brought up anywhere but the commentators made no reference to it and I thought it was worth noting.

Just goes to reinforce that when you have momentum things will start go your way including umpiring decisions...

Rubbish. How did the ball get that spin on it travelling form Stratton to Buddy. Did he throw him a flipper? If he threw it, it would have floated.

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

The handball looks fine to me:

You can see at 1:16 that there is absolutely nothing wrong with that handball.

[old55 23,687]

He definitely gets his fist to it.

[corowa 216]

It was against Collingwood, wasn't it?

The more controversial decisions there are against them the better Ilike it.

[whatwhat say what 22,938]

clear handball and it was just amazing to watch at the ground.

the woman next time had literally just put down a point for the collingwood player in her record, looked up, marked down a goal for buddy.

so exciting.

[rhaz 342]

Reminds me of Jones goal from 2010

ahhh they were promising times...

[DeeSpencer 26,080]

Technically I believe that is a throw. But.... the game has evolved for better or worse to allow disposal like this to occur. Just look at all the overhead handballs now allowed and shovel motion throws that players do when tackled.

Modern tacking and pressure has pretty much mandated that dropping and throwing of the ball is ok. In fact more Melbourne players need to learn how to pick it up and move it on in this manner.

[Gippy Dee 48]

I don't care. It was a 'delicious' piece of play!

Except if you're a Pies supporter...

Ask a Collingwoof supporter if Wayne Harmes was over the line too while your at it.

Gippy

[H_T 3,049]

but it is clear as day that he was on the receiving end of a obvious throw from his teammate,

Oopsy.

He clearly handballed it to Franklin.

[Deetective Sgt. Taggert 389]

You can see at 1:16 that there is absolutely nothing wrong with that handball.

Agree. From this angle is looks much more line a legit hand pass. My bad!!

[Deetective Sgt. Taggert 389]

Is this really a thread?

I'm at home crook so perhaps a mix of boredom and pharmaceuticals... Point taken.

[stuie 7,374]

I'm at home crook so perhaps a mix of boredom and pharmaceuticals... Point taken.

Haha fair enough then mate!

[bandicoot 1,395]

One word... Richard Tambling.

[H_T 3,049]

One word... Richard Tambling.

err...... that's not one word.

[Bobby McKenzie 2,385]

You can see at 1:16 that there is absolutely nothing wrong with that handball.

No worries, it was clearly a legal handball. Never a throw.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Technically I believe that is a throw. But.... the game has evolved for better or worse to allow disposal like this to occur. Just look at all the overhead handballs now allowed and shovel motion throws that players do when tackled.

Modern tacking and pressure has pretty much mandated that dropping and throwing of the ball is ok. In fact more Melbourne players need to learn how to pick it up and move it on in this manner.

Master this is spot on.

Melbourne are WAY behind on this part of the game as i've been harping on for nearly a year now.

A BIG part of the way top players train (and others around them within most of the present day top teams ie., copy cat, do as i do) involves this half flick/toss/scoop/shuffle throw.

The idea is to clear congested areas and opponents with a much faster disposal by hand versus a technically correct handball (in the traditional sense ie., by AFL law) in order to gain that first posession or multiple quick possessions to someone spreading latteral, forward or even behind the contest and escape that contest or opponent. But usually it's to someone very close and latteral to or behind the disposing player as often a traditional handball is the best option when moving the ball some distance away, forward ot the player's general motion.

No, It's not used every single time a handball is on, but under the pump/in congestion (especially in close) it is being used quite widely and consistently and has been for the past 3 to 4 years now in a professional sense. And no doubt much longer in an accidental/unconscious sense by a few individual players prior to it catching on.

The half flick/shuffle throw, demonstrated by Stratton in this passage of play, is technically illegal under strict interpretation of the hand ball law under AFL rules. It constitutes a shuffle throw and incorrect disposal in that Stratton moves/pushes (technically throws the ball) with the hand that's holding the ball (his left hand) just before making a "motion" to hit the ball with his right clenched fist. The ball is guided/pushed/shuffled in the direction of Buddy (ie., to the side of and behind Stratton's body) and only after this movement has commenced from the left hand, does Stratton just manage to connect with the fist putting a little extra air on the ball. So there is a connection with the fist but only AFTER Stratton has managed to push/shuffle in a throwing motion with the left hand in the general direction of the oncoming Buddy. I'm sure if the umpire could see this in slow motion under video review, or he was positioned under Stratton and whoever the Pie player was tackling him (laying prostrate on the ground lol) and had a perfect view, he SHOULD deem it a throw and penalise Stratton. However this is live/fast motion. There's virtualy no way an umpire would be able to call this in a live play situation. Hawthorn knows this, as do many other top teams and they've perfected this and a number of other scoops/shuffle methods so well now that the umpires can't see or call many of them. Especially in congestion with many bodies obscuring clear viewing.

This is exactly what Melbourne (and some of the lessor) teams MUST learn to do effectively if we're to have any chance of moving the ball/spreading/clearing congestion quickly away from our opponents as well as move the ball quickly i50 for our talls if we're to have any chance of competing against the top clubs.

We are already way behind in this and this is a significant part of why we are unable to spread and move the ball away from stoppages and our opponents quickly, like they do to us week after week. Part of it is talent yes, part of it is fitness yes, and part of it is drilling practice during training. But a large part is drilling practise using these flick/scoop/shuffle methods.

If we don't start doing it you can forget about ever moving the ball away from the stoppages as quickly and as effectively....and (at the very least) as often....as many of our opponents are presently doing to us. At least those clubs that have mastered it (including many within their respective playing groups). The clubs that have so far gone a fair way to perfecting it include Collingwood, Geelong, Essendon, Hawthorn and West Coast. Sydney i haven't looked at enough to focus on this appect of their skills but more than likely they've probably caught up somewhat as well.

Neeld and the boys better get moving with the times or we'll never catch them!

Edited April 16, 2013 by Rusty Nails

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DUDE you must be high! Perfectly fine handball. All I can say is Bruce shits me to tears.

[Dr. Mubutu 866]

Just kill this argument and bring back the flick!