What happens if we lose to GWS?

[bing181 9,197]

I'm of the view that Neeld needs to be shown the door immediately before this group's confidence and ability to turn it around is destroyed completely, if it's not already. I didn't think it was possible to feel more hopeless than I did in 2008, but zing! Here it is.

If Neeld goes now, we play out the whole season with a stop-gap coach and stop-gap solutions. Having Viney or Craig in charge is not going to help us going forward, all that then happens is that the bulk of the team will end up with a fifth coach (Bailey, Viney, Neeld, Stop-Gap, New Coach in 2014) in 3 years - which I would have thought would have a catastrophic effect on the players, especially the older ones. Then where? We tread-water through the season, and there's talk of the likes of Clarkson, Mark Williams, Eade etc. All of whom are gainfully employed and even if they were a) available and b) interested, we'd almost certainly have to wait till late into the final series to even begin, all over again, starting from zero with everything from List Management, staff, assistant coaches, FD dept. setup etc. etc.

We need, more than ever, to be solid in what we do. Changing direction mid-stream can never be solid.

[Return to Glory 8,412]

I don't think Mandrake could solve our problems this year. Give Neeld this season. What's the point in changing now?

[Redleg 40,857]

The point isn't where they are at now, it's that it is STATISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE that the MFC would be the only club to consistently draft duds. I obviously think its 80% development, 20% bad picks. Who are they learning from? Whose setting the standards? Who do the have to be that much better than to get a game?

We failed to develop Cook to the extent that no one even rookied him and he is playing VFL seconds. On his first training run with us he cried. In his first Casey practice match, he gibbed a ball pick up so badly, my son said "this guy will never play a game of AFL." He was right, off one incident. How long did the worst recruiter in AFL history BP spend looking at Cook? Every other recruiter laughed at us when we took him.

Look at our midfield, we don't have one.

Yes blame our development. Of course, we should have developed the sub standard players we drafted and made them good.

BP has killed us. I would sue him for return of his salary.

[DEMON FROM WITHIN 46]

Thanks Nasher at least I understand your thoughts and totally agree Neeld has to go.

I dont buy into how a team can be competitive for half a game because they feel like it and then after listening to their coach at half time come out and basically give up.

The players either hate his guts or he is ineffectual as a motivator.

94 points is a smacking in a match however they piled on a 84 margin in a half.

Bite the bullet and sack him otherwise if this continues for a the remainder of the season kids (future members) that still currently barrack for the Demons will be lost along with sponsors because we wont be seen on free to air TV

[Redleg 40,857]

If we play Byrnes and Pedersen we do lose to GWS.

[tonatopia 278]

I'm of the view that Neeld needs to be shown the door immediately before this group's confidence and ability to turn it around is destroyed completely, if it's not already. I didn't think it was possible to feel more hopeless than I did in 2008, but zing! Here it is.

Praise the lord brother.

[tonatopia 278]

I'm of the view that the players need to start enjoying their footy again. The season looks like a write off anyway.

Put in Craig as an interim coach, and give him orders to get the boys to back their instincts. At least it would be entertaining.

And work hard at signing Roos.

[dee-luded 2,959]

I was being kind DL. Coaching the Dees is like turning the Titanic, very very slow progress!!!

I know DOx, but I'm concerned about the folk who think the bad culture is onlyy over the past 6 or 7 Yrs, but it isn't.

its been inept since Smithy left, & this is why we have a defeatist attitude throughout the club, & outside the fence as well. This is why we are self destructing now with supporters wanting to pull the club down.

Barassi/Jordan plus a host of other talented people turned the 'Titanic', as you put it, & then let someone else take the Helm to steer it further into the dawn. but soon after was left un maintained again.

& soon the ship started to rust again.

those thinking it was OK in 2005-6,,, will only look to the footy dept,& admin/board for scapegoats,,,, & overlook the real problems that have besetted this club for a long long time.

you see a few so called success years of making the 8 convinces some here that there wasn't a problem with the club at that time, when there was. The culture was crap, but we had elite talent, that was lazy & spoilt..... this is why we go close when we have a talented list, buy don't go all the way.

[thaipantsman 180]

Yes Dee Zee. Was just about to mention Patton. Big Loss for GWS. He would of dominated Melbourne. Melbourne has the edge now especially if Watts is back from his niggle. Very Sad for Patton and Football to see him out for another season.

Back to the question of topic. Surely Neeld has to consider stepping aside if we drop this one by more than 5 goals. Won't happen though. Dees by 5 Goals!! haha.

[jumbo returns 6,740]

I'm of the view that Neeld needs to be shown the door immediately before this group's confidence and ability to turn it around is destroyed completely, if it's not already. I didn't think it was possible to feel more hopeless than I did in 2008, but zing! Here it is.

Okay.

Caretaker coach? Alternative?

Realistically, who would you get?

Roos won't coach, so move on there.

Ratten? He left Master Malthouse a wonderful list there.....0 - 3

Craig? Part of the Neeld regime, so would have to go if Neeld is deposed.

Viney - doesn't want it.

We're a laughing stock already - if Neeld is sacked, we'll become unequivocally, totally, insignificant.

Damian Hardwick had a great first year, with supporters calling for his head after they were 0 - 9.

Neeld must be given a chance.

[Jack7 528]

When we lose to GWS,Neeld sacked Monday morning!

Neeld has the gall to say "we're rebuilding the rebuild" but in fact under Bailey we were much better offensively and defensively.

Under Bailey we averaged 90.1 for and 89.6 against

Under Neeld we average 71.8 for and 106.4 against

This year we average 57.6 points for and 164.6 points against.

Neeld has taken us backwards by at least 3 years.

West Coast come to the G expecting it to just happen and after half time,they made it happen winning the second half by 84 points,why? because Neeld has no defensive gameplan,we lost half a game by 84 points not a full game,half a game!

Had West Coast been switched on from the first bounce,we would've lost by 150+

Oh well,i can wait one more week,GWS will beat us and so will Lions at the Gabba

Excluding the new teams,Neeld has 1 win from 25 games.

Worst coach in VFL/AFL history!!!

If Neeld doesn't go,McLardy goes,he didn't have the balls to sack Schwab,he asked for the AFL's help and they said sack Schwab

Edited April 13, 2013 by Jack7

[jumbo returns 6,740]

When we lose to GWS,Neeld sacked Monday morning!

Neeld has the gall to say "we're rebuilding the rebuild" but in fact under Bailey we were much better offensively and defensively.

Under Bailey we averaged 90.1 for and 89.6 against

Under Neeld we average 71.8 for and 106.4 against

This year we average 57.6 points for and 164.6 points against.

Neeld has taken us backwards by at least 3 years.

West Coast come to the G expecting it to just happen and after half time,they made it happen winning the second half by 84 points,why? because Neeld has no defensive gameplan,we lost half a game by 84 points not a full game,half a game!

Had West Coast been switched on from the first bounce,we would've lost by 150+

Oh well,i can wait one more week,GWS will beat us and so will Lions at the Gabba

Excluding the new teams,Neeld has 1 win from 25 games.

Worst coach in VFL/AFL history!!!

West Coast are a 10 - 15 goal better side at the moment.

What's so hard to understand about this?

[thaipantsman 180]

Okay.

Caretaker coach? Alternative?

Realistically, who would you get?

Roos won't coach, so move on there.

Ratten? He left Master Malthouse a wonderful list there.....0 - 3

Craig? Part of the Neeld regime, so would have to go if Neeld is deposed.

Viney - doesn't want it.

We're a laughing stock already - if Neeld is sacked, we'll become unequivocally, totally, insignificant.

Damian Hardwick had a great first year, with supporters calling for his head after they were 0 - 9.

Neeld must be given a chance.

Don't believe everything you read and hear. You're Craig and Viney comments are off the mark. Been reading the Herald Sun too much? Andrew Bolt? Would have to be a Craig/Viney ticket surely. Barassi survived in 81 because he had massive lineage, a five year plan and love to go with it. Neeld has experience with Collingwoods midfield(rumour has it Buckley was happy he left), and has gone from bad to much worse and that after making some horror calls with Maloney, Petterd and Rivers. His judgement is further clouded by the decision to import Pederson, Byrnes and Rodan along with being part of offering Jamar 3 more years. Ad further his horrendous game plan and most of all the general Vibe of the man. Sorry but GWS may well be his final match if margin is over 30 points. IMO he'll survive till round 17-18. Melbourne will beat GWS

[The heart beats true 18,110]

We failed to develop Cook to the extent that no one even rookied him and he is playing VFL seconds. On his first training run with us he cried. In his first Casey practice match, he gibbed a ball pick up so badly, my son said "this guy will never play a game of AFL." He was right, off one incident. How long did the worst recruiter in AFL history BP spend looking at Cook? Every other recruiter laughed at us when we took him.

Look at our midfield, we don't have one.

Yes blame our development. Of course, we should have developed the sub standard players we drafted and made them good.

BP has killed us. I would sue him for return of his salary.

There Is a difference between defending BP and understanding we have the worst development record in the game. If we keep saying BP sucked we don't really take responsibility for the fact that we've done a terrible job helping young footballers get better.

Also, no one has been able to convince me (with the exception of Cook as I noted earlier) that we took players out of where other clubs thought they'd be taken in the draft. Isn't it strange that everyone was wrong collectively? Oh wait, it's not strange, it's STATISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

I've given up trying to convince you guys. All I know is if I had a son in the draft I'd know what club I wouldn't want him drafted to.

[jumbo returns 6,740]

Don't believe everything you read and hear. You're Craig and Viney comments are off the mark. Been reading the Herald Sun too much? Andrew Bolt? Would have to be a Craig/Viney ticket surely. Barassi survived in 81 because he had massive lineage, a five year plan and love to go with it. Neeld has experience with Collingwoods midfield(rumour has it Buckley was happy he left), and has gone from bad to much worse and that after making some horror calls with Maloney, Petterd and Rivers. His judgement is further clouded by the decision to import Pederson, Byrnes and Rodan along with being part of offering Jamar 3 more years. Ad further his horrendous game plan and most of all the general Vibe of the man. Sorry but GWS may well be his final match if margin is over 30 points. IMO he'll survive till round 17-18. Melbourne will beat GWS

Rumour?

Herald Sun? Andrew Bolt or Susie O'Neill?

Mark Neeld who drafted M Jones, Terlich, Hogan, Dawes (yet to play) Barry? Clark and Kent (who may play?)

Everyone asked for a hard nosed coach to make tough calls and now everyone's wringing their hands.

Maloney refused to comply.

Rivers was RFA

Pettard? Couldn't get a game. I notice you didn't mention Morton, Martin or Bennell....all NQR.

Signing Jamar for 3 years may yet prove to be a good move as it'll give Gawn and Spencer time to develop further.

One thing I agree on with you is that we will beat GWS.

Edited April 13, 2013 by jumbo returns

[Macca 16,940]

There Is a difference between defending BP and understanding we have the worst development record in the game. If we keep saying BP sucked we don't really take responsibility for the fact that we've done a terrible job helping young footballers get better.

Also, no one has been able to convince me (with the exception of Cook as I noted earlier) that we took players out of where other clubs thought they'd be taken in the draft. Isn't it strange that everyone was wrong collectively? Oh wait, it's not strange, it's STATISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

I've given up trying to convince you guys. All I know is if I had a son in the draft I'd know what club I wouldn't want him drafted to.

In many ways I agree with your post.

It's impossible to get this many draft picks wrong. Many of our picks were taken close enough to where they were meant to be taken. The recruiters all had Morton at 3 or 4. Watts at 1 or 2. Trengove at 1 or 2. Etc etc. There is still hope for a couple of our high pick draftees but we need to start seeing evidence soon enough.

Paul Roos has stated on a few occasions that a club has 3-5 years to develop an 18yo. He reckons once they get to 21-23 that's it. The player at that later age remains at that 'developed' level for the rest of his career. I took it as a general comment as there are always exceptions to the rule.

Edited April 13, 2013 by Macca

[deepete 27]

If we lose by a lot I think the club needs to run an independent review of the players, coaching staff, practices etc. While it is easy to say get rid of Neeld, doing so would really screw things up more (possible and for the reasons mentioned above). Having an independent review would then add merit to any action taken against Neeld, or to Neelds ability to coach depending on the findings.

[P-man 13,366]

Watching GWS and GC fly past us at this stage is NOT acceptable. Neeld has to go if we lose next week. Enough of this [censored].

[DEMON FROM WITHIN 46]

Mark neeld is not a motivator of players he is a person who is must have total control in an autocratic manner

Got rid of Maloney, Rivers & Pettard all good melbourne senior players and replaced them with Rodan, Byrnes & the dud from the roos.

Slapped every senior demon player in the face by appointing 2 super young captains and got rid of every senior player who had an opinion

Where did neeld come from a power house team full of stars with bucket loads of money

We run the risk of losing Watts, Sylvia & Frawley at seasons end because this idiot cant build culture at a club he destroys mateship.

He wants to be kind and warm to the players after pathetic losses

We need a coach who players respect not a manipulative school teacher who treats men like boys and humilitates them.

To make Maloney tag Wells and Dal Santo last year was a farce when he is a clearance player not a gut runner

[Adam The God 30,136]

Mark neeld is not a motivator of players he is a person who is must have total control in an autocratic manner

Got rid of Maloney, Rivers & Pettard all good melbourne senior players and replaced them with Rodan, Byrnes & the dud from the roos.

Slapped every senior demon player in the face by appointing 2 super young captains and got rid of every senior player who had an opinion

Where did neeld come from a power house team full of stars with bucket loads of money

We run the risk of losing Watts, Sylvia & Frawley at seasons end because this idiot cant build culture at a club he destroys mateship.

He wants to be kind and warm to the players after pathetic losses

We need a coach who players respect not a manipulative school teacher who treats men like boys and humilitates them.

To make Maloney tag Wells and Dal Santo last year was a farce when he is a clearance player not a gut runner

Moloney, spell it correctly, was a down hill skier who was not a leader. Neeld was trying to teach him some semblance of discipline. Moloney wouldn't cop it. Off he goes. It's the way Neeld has treated the rest of the players and generally the place, rubbishing it in the media etc. that has left a lot to be desired.

I agree that it will be tough to retain Watts and Frawley if Neeld remains at the helm come season's end.

[DEMON FROM WITHIN 46]

Moloney, spell it correctly, was a down hill skier who was not a leader. Neeld was trying to teach him some semblance of discipline. Moloney wouldn't cop it. Off he goes. It's the way Neeld has treated the rest of the players and generally the place, rubbishing it in the media etc. that has left a lot to be desired.

I agree that it will be tough to retain Watts and Frawley if Neeld remains at the helm come season's end.

Adam are you a school teacher correcting me on spelling

Who the bloody hell do you think took the young players down to warrnambool every year and organized a boxing session over a couple of days.

Neeld got rid of a heart and soul player for the Dees because he couldn't get the best out of him.

A good coach gets the best out of his players and doesn't destroy young talent and [censored] off all the core senior players because of his autoractic leadership style

[Macca 16,940]

Moloney, spell it correctly, was a down hill skier who was not a leader. Neeld was trying to teach him some semblance of discipline. Moloney wouldn't cop it. Off he goes. It's the way Neeld has treated the rest of the players and generally the place, rubbishing it in the media etc. that has left a lot to be desired.

I agree that it will be tough to retain Watts and Frawley if Neeld remains at the helm come season's end.

The big knock on Moloney was that he rarely if ever put his hand up against the good sides or in our numerous heavy losses. That much might be true but I'd like anyone to name one player in the last 6+ years who has consistently put his hand up in those losses.

The answer is there isn't one.

So we had a number of downhill skiers like Moloney and the rest of them don't even qualify as downhill skiers.

[hardtack 10,518]

pray we lost to GWS, otherwise we will be stuck with Neeld a while longer

Speaking of 'drop kicks'

[bing181 9,197]

Watching GWS and GC fly past us at this stage is NOT acceptable.

GWS and GC have taken the cream for the past few years, and sooner or later, that cream is going to come to the top. It's not going to be just us that they go past.

[bing181 9,197]

Who the bloody hell do you think took the young players down to warrnambool every year and organized a boxing session over a couple of days.

Ah, so the lack of development is Moloney's fault. Glad we could get to the bottom of it.