Brock McLean's real reasons for leaving the club.

[Demonic_Inferno 17]

Does anyone here have a source regarding why Brock McLean left Melbourne? I clearly remember reading someplace that he left due to not liking the drive to Casey (it caused him cramps) and also due to his fear of not getting a game with Scully and Trengove in the Melbourne midfield?

I'm trying to point out to someone that his claims of leaving the club due to 'tanking' and both false and misleading.

[Demonsterative 1,926]

let it go I say.

[RalphiusMaximus 5,993]

His original reasons were indeed that he didn't like having to drive 40 minutes to train and thought the facilities and location at Carlton would help with his injury troubles.

[Wilbur 447]

nek minut

[Whispering_Jack 27,983]

Players usually change clubs for a number of reasons and McLean gave several in interviews after he left including the story about the long drives to Casey. My recollection is that Melbourne was not prepared to put him on the same coin he was getting in the last year of his 2009 contract because of concerns that he had lost a yard of pace due to his injuries starting in 2007. Carlton came in and offered more and he was traded for pick 11. I don't doubt that he was unhappy about the state of affairs involving the club in 2009 (who really was?) so I don't say he exactly lied when questioned by the panel of On The Couch. However, I doubt his response would have been a shock to the panelists. I'm told his views were known and the response he gave when asked on the night was to be expected.

[Demonic_Inferno 17]

let it go I say.

Thanks, hardly helpful though.

[Demonic_Inferno 17]

Players usually change clubs for a number of reasons and McLean gave several in interviews after he left including the story about the long drives to Casey. My recollection is that Melbourne was not prepared to put him on the same coin he was getting in the last year of his 2009 contract because of concerns that he had lost a yard of pace due to his injuries starting in 2007. Carlton came in and offered more and he was traded for pick 11. I don't doubt that he was unhappy about the state of affairs involving the club in 2009 (who really was?) so I don't say he exactly lied when questioned by the panel of On The Couch. However, I doubt his response would have been a shock to the panelists. I'm told his views were known and the response he gave when asked on the night was to be expected.

Cheers, it's important to set the record straight with this chump.

[caddypgt 30]

What was more amusing was Kevin Sheedy talking about how he had a 'Clayton's' interview with the MFC coaching selection panel back in 07, and how he could see all these problems, and that in all reality - it was he that was interviewing us not the other way round.

[Demonic_Inferno 17]

What was more amusing was Kevin Sheedy talking about how he had a 'Clayton's' interview with the MFC coaching selection panel back in 07, and how he could see all these problems, and that in all reality - it was he that was interviewing us not the other way round.

Yes I recall that, what astounding arrogance and what a fragile sense of self esteem that man has.

[Cards13 9,117]

What was more amusing was Kevin Sheedy talking about how he had a 'Clayton's' interview with the MFC coaching selection panel back in 07, and how he could see all these problems, and that in all reality - it was he that was interviewing us not the other way round.

Would love to hear a response from someone who Interviewed Kevin in there recollections of his interview.... But yet I have never heard a reply.

[Tony Tea 2,786]

Players usually change clubs for a number of reasons and McLean gave several in interviews after he left including the story about the long drives to Casey. My recollection is that Melbourne was not prepared to put him on the same coin he was getting in the last year of his 2009 contract because of concerns that he had lost a yard of pace due to his injuries starting in 2007. Carlton came in and offered more and he was traded for pick 11. I don't doubt that he was unhappy about the state of affairs involving the club in 2009 (who really was?) so I don't say he exactly lied when questioned by the panel of On The Couch. However, I doubt his response would have been a shock to the panelists. I'm told his views were known and the response he gave when asked on the night was to be expected.

I agree with that, and it's why I cracked the shirts when Sheahan was asked why he did not follow up McLean's comments with the appropriate questions - if tanking is so bad, why did you go to Carlton, for example - and instead waffled something about being too stunned.

[Tony Tea 2,786]

We should have appointed Sheedy at the end of 1980, not 2007.

[Demonsterative 1,926]

Sheedy was done as an AFL coach when the Bomber got rid of him. He was appointed as GWS coach as a figure head who could get in the papers and promote a club in a very hard market. Williams was the real coach, When he realised he would not get the job, in comes Cameron. If Sheeds was the real coach he would be given time.

Yes he was overlooked at the MFC. A good choice by the interview panel.

[hardtack 10,127]

Does anyone here have a source regarding why Mclean left Melbourne? I clearly remember reading someplace that he left due to not liking the drive to Casey (it caused him cramps) and also due to his fear of not getting a game with Scully and Trengove in the Melbourne midfield?

I'm trying to point out to someone that his claims of leaving the club due to 'tanking' and both false and misleading.

I came into this expecting some great expose regarding McLean's departure, only to be disappointed... a simple "?" mark would have made all of the difference.

And before you get upset over my pickiness, let me point out why grammar can be important; as an example, I will use capitalisation which can stop many potentially embarrassing situations... it could be the difference between "helping your Uncle Jack off a horse." or "helping your uncle jack off a horse.".

Edited November 5, 2012 by hardtack

[Biffen 12,327]

Old , Senile ,Irrelevant ,living on past glories , beyond help .

It would have been a perfect fit .

[jumbo returns 6,488]

Apparently (just a summation..reading between the lines) Sheedy was talking about PR, marketing, selling the brand, whereas the questions focussed on coaching philosophy, tactics, etc.

Make of it what you will.

In 2014 Kev will be ghost writing for the Hun, selecting his dream team.

Seeya, Kev.

Edited November 5, 2012 by jumbo returns

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Apparently (just a summation..reading between the lines) Sheedy was talking about PR, marketing, selling the brand, whereas the questions focussed on coaching philosophy, tactics, etc.

Make of it what you will.

In 2014 Kev ill be ghost writing for the Hun, selecting his dream team.

Seeya, Kev.

I'd like the Club to come out and state why he wasn't appointed; maybe something like "we didn't think he was up to it anymore and we only interviewed him as a courtesy in the first place because of his senility seniority".

It really is beyond the pale to see all these monkeys come out and have a free hit at the club, fight back boys.

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,618]

Players usually change clubs for a number of reasons and McLean gave several in interviews after he left including the story about the long drives to Casey. My recollection is that Melbourne was not prepared to put him on the same coin he was getting in the last year of his 2009 contract because of concerns that he had lost a yard of pace due to his injuries starting in 2007. Carlton came in and offered more and he was traded for pick 11. I don't doubt that he was unhappy about the state of affairs involving the club in 2009 (who really was?) so I don't say he exactly lied when questioned by the panel of On The Couch. However, I doubt his response would have been a shock to the panelists. I'm told his views were known and the response he gave when asked on the night was to be expected.

I'm not sure how much planning would have been put into the questions McLean faced, since he was apparently a last minute replacement for some other Carlton player who was unable to attend.If only the original interviewee had been able to front up!

[Demon Disciple 10,955]

If that senile old goat can see anything and everything that's coming, why did he not see Israel Folau's failure as an AFL footy player coming? Struggling to get his last few breaths before he finally goes under.

[biggestred 4,310]

Shortly after bailey got the job i had the pleasure of having a chat with nathan bourke who was on the panel.

He said that bailey was easily the best candidate, including sheedy.

Looking back, it doesnt say much for the rest of the candidates if bailey was the best.

[DeeVoted 582]

Does anyone here have a source regarding why Mclean left Melbourne? I clearly remember reading someplace that he left due to not liking the drive to Casey (it caused him cramps) and also due to his fear of not getting a game with Scully and Trengove in the Melbourne midfield?

I'm trying to point out to someone that his claims of leaving the club due to 'tanking' and both false and misleading.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/between-a-brock-mclean-and-a-hard-place/story-e6frf9if-1225783103525

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/brock-mclean-lands-at-carlton-blues-in-afl-trade/story-e6frf9jf-1225783018690

These should help you out.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

My understanding was that prospects short listed for the coaching role 1st round interviews had to come prepared to answer specific questions.

The 1st round prospects were Bailey, Hardwick, Sheedy, Ratten and Connolly. I think there was someone else that also fell out at the 1st round

Ratten was seen to be using MFC to up his deal at Carlton and did not go past the 1st round. Connolly was excluded early.

Sheedy came in unprepared with an attitude that you either want me or you dont and did not participate on the pre advised terms of the interview. He was excluded in the first round.

http://www.heraldsun...f-1225783103525

http://www.heraldsun...f-1225783018690

These should help you out.

The OP could do an advanced search on Brock McLean on the site search engine. Its all there.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Shortly after bailey got the job i had the pleasure of having a chat with nathan bourke who was on the panel.

He said that bailey was easily the best candidate, including sheedy.

Looking back, it doesnt say much for the rest of the candidates if bailey was the best.

Not at all. On CVs submitted, Bailey was not highly ranked but his performance and well research answers impressed the selection committee and he moved from the back of the field to get the job.

[hoopla 418]

Players usually change clubs for a number of reasons and McLean gave several in interviews after he left including the story about the long drives to Casey. My recollection is that Melbourne was not prepared to put him on the same coin he was getting in the last year of his 2009 contract because of concerns that he had lost a yard of pace due to his injuries starting in 2007. Carlton came in and offered more and he was traded for pick 11. I don't doubt that he was unhappy about the state of affairs involving the club in 2009 (who really was?) so I don't say he exactly lied when questioned by the panel of On The Couch. However, I doubt his response would have been a shock to the panelists. I'm told his views were known and the response he gave when asked on the night was to be expected.

No doubt increasing questions over his position in the team was a factor - not to mention money.

For him to come out 3 years later and highlight disillusionment with "tanking" is dishonest. Even if it was a factor - it wasn't the main factor. When he was the young player who stood to benefit by the clubs promotion of youth - he loved it - even contributed to the debt demolition

He is a hypocrite of the highest ( lowest) order

Edited November 5, 2012 by hoopla

[Guest José Mourinho]

I'd like the Club to come out and state why he wasn't appointed; maybe something like "we didn't think he was up to it anymore and we only interviewed him as a courtesy in the first place because of his senility seniority".

It really is beyond the pale to see all these monkeys come out and have a free hit at the club, fight back boys.

Should the club really dignify him with a response?

I'd feel embarrassed if they were to do that.