I find it funny that some tortured souls use footy forums to air their grievances

To quote Brian Taylor, "Boy Oh Boy" dandeeman, that's a negative spin at a time when things are at the worst looking refreshing. Do you need a hug?

An inside midfield of Jones, Magner, Viney, McKenzie, Gysberts attached to outside mids Sylvia, Blease, Bail, Grimes, Byrnes and Trengove all fit with a full preseason doens't sound too bad to me. Add into this Taggart and Tynan with one full season under thier belt, and then add a possible Toumpas / Wines or whoever and it could be OK.

Read more of my posts mb. I am largely positive.

Read more of my posts mb. I am largely positive.

Yeah I know dandeeman your posts are usually entertaining, but your post above was a little bit depressing during a time when we got Viney, probably will have Hogan and Dawes, and will be getting rid of Morton, Bennell and Petterd. Too many good things in the wind to be too downcast.

I read dandeemans post simply as a referal to our 'surplus' to requirements basket of semi-nqrs !

Reality is some on our list arent much chop....and are for one !!

Yeah I know dandeeman your posts are usually entertaining, but your post above was a little bit depressing during a time when we got Viney, probably will have Hogan and Dawes, and will be getting rid of Morton, Bennell and Petterd. Too many good things in the wind to be too downcast.

It was more in response to a few overvaluing our discards.

Go to see where making some deals that might improve this club on the field next season.

I would be pleased with if the HOT stuff came true.

Keep them coming Nudge

You take conversations about a football club and make them personal. Then in turn, attack people who interact with you. You make talking about football something miserable.

"Attack" ? No, just plain-speak.

I recommend you put me on ignore. It will serve two purposes. You won't see my posts and in turn you won't bore me with your complaints.

Deal ?

For sale.

Inside mids with no strength, outside mids with poor skills and skinny kpfs with no acceleration.

So true, and its why our drafting hasnt been the best.

It like drafting a KPP b/c he's good below his knees

The best mids get them in and out. Let's just get the hardest and best mids we can.

Hmm hasn't one of the biggest issues this season been "spread from the contest"? While it is great to have Viney I would have thought some outside run was in order too. Will be very interesting to see how it plays out over the next few seasons.

Hmm hasn't one of the biggest issues this season been "spread from the contest"? While it is great to have Viney I would have thought some outside run was in order too. Will be very interesting to see how it plays out over the next few seasons.

Correct, we certainly need "spread or quick skilful" players now. Adding Dawes and Pedersen to Hoagan plus what we already have does seem to make us pretty top heavy. I wonder if we need both of them. We will gain picks for trades and FA's and we should really be trying to improve our spread and carry. Pick 4 could be an O'Rourke or Wines. We need to add to that.

This may be a dumb question or I'm just having a blonde moment but can someone please expand and define what "PSD" means? I am guessing post selection delisting or something like that.

"Ben Warren to demons via trade or PSD"

This may be a dumb question or I'm just having a blonde moment but can someone please expand and define what "PSD" means? I am guessing post selection delisting or something like that.

"Ben Warren to demons via trade or PSD"

Pre-season draft, the draft that clubs use to pick last spots available in primary list, this is the draft we pick Martin and Jurrah.

Jones, Viney and Wines. We are no longer a soft midfield.

We weren't soft this year either. We were just incredibly slow and bereft of talent. Hopefully this is on the up.

Oliver Wines at Pick 4 lock it in.

The Grapes of Wrath, Bachus I (viney) and Bachus II (wines)

What a vintage

Correct, we certainly need "spread or quick skilful" players now. Adding Dawes and Pedersen to Hoagan plus what we already have does seem to make us pretty top heavy. I wonder if we need both of them. We will gain picks for trades and FA's and we should really be trying to improve our spread and carry. Pick 4 could be an O'Rourke or Wines. We need to add to that.

I'd agree, unless Neeld believes that "the hardest team to play against' is made up of 190cm+ monsters, and a handful of mids!

Hmm hasn't one of the biggest issues this season been "spread from the contest"? While it is great to have Viney I would have thought some outside run was in order too. Will be very interesting to see how it plays out over the next few seasons.

Good midfielders do both. Hopefully these two will be very good.

The idea that you need a certain amount of players exclusively to do inside work and a certain amount exclusively to do the outside is not right. It's an antiquated concept.

I'd agree, unless Neeld believes that "the hardest team to play against' is made up of 190cm+ monsters, and a handful of mids!

Lets hope we haven't gone from one extreme to the other and end up only drafting big muscly to heavy brutes who can't spread or cant get 50-70m with the ball.

Good midfielders do both. Hopefully these two will be very good.

The idea that you need a certain amount of players exclusively to do inside work and a certain amount exclusively to do the outside is not right. It's an antiquated concept.

Bingo!

To see exactly when it died, look at Richmond under Terry Wallace. A recruiting strategy based on a bunch of dichotomies - for example EITHER they are skillful OR they have a great defensive work ethic. EITHER they are a running 'user' OR an inside 'gatherer'.

Classic examples would be the polar opposites of Travis Johnstone and Simon Godfrey. Tell me you'd keep the pair of them ahead of one guy who can deliver at least solidly on both counts?

Get a core of about six who can break those either/or assumptions to a good standard, and we have the starting point of a potent midfield. This is one of the reasons I have been so excited by Nathan Jones' ability to add to his game every year.

Besides, Viney will not be a weak link when it comes to spreading from a contest and using the ball quckly and effectively. It's about work rate more than any special athletic attribute.

The Grapes of Wrath, Bachus I (viney) and Bachus II (wines)

What a vintage

Just got to hope GWS won't bid on him as they'll most likely take Whitfield, Toumpas & Grundy.

Fact is Wines has been told we will take him if he's available.

What a time to be a Dee, they're starting to give us hope again with some good decisions.

I hope everyone is happy, expect a few more yet guys!

would rather Toumpas (likely to GWS) or O'Rourke over Wines, as they both offer something different, whereas Wines offers more of the same as Viney.

We must use picks 4 and 20 to build on our young emerging dynasty - The Jack Pack - Viney, Trengove, Watts, Grimes, Fitzpatrick and their young future star mates etc.

For decades the Demons have always been short of superstars. Triple premiership teams have them in spades. Geelong - Ablett, Bartel, Scarlett, Hawkins, Kelly - all 1st round quality (many father son) (It's our turn with Viney!) The Lions had the fab four and more. Nigel Lappin was pick 2. Justin Leppitsch 4. Voss, Aker, special deals from memory. Black 2nd round ( it's not an exact science, this drafting. ) The Hawks have got at least 5 superstars. They got Hodge at 2. Roughead and Franklin at 3 and 5. Jordan Lewis at 7. Rioli at 11. Chris Judd went at 3. Matthew Pavlich at 4. Nick Dal Santo and Bob Murphy at 13.

Dawes and Wellingham are fringe players in a strong Collingwood team - they can look ok topping up a premiership team, but bring them to Casey and they will be exposed as the average players they are. Dawes looked ok with Travis Cloke and Leigh Brown alongside, to take the oppositions bigger bodied defenders and leave him with the 3rd defender sometimes. He never kicks more than 3 goals on a good day, plenty of times zero. He was in the magoos a few weeks ago. He's a magpie reject. He and Wellingham together are definitely not worth a first round pick. A 3rd round perhaps, a 2nd round if you're crazy, but our 2nd round is going to a future STAR with great pedigree! Welcome Jack Viney! Hope you have a few new quality young guns alongside you starting pre-season, to share the weight of expectation, to build a bond with and to build a strong, star-studded premiership team with!

Lets hope we haven't gone from one extreme to the other and end up only drafting big muscly to heavy brutes who can't spread or cant get 50-70m with the ball.

Lol!

Errrr......... have you even bothered to look at the players we've acquired in the last week or so? Each have elements of elite speed, endurance, kicking, etc. Dom Barry is anything but a big, muscly, heavy brute.

Lol!

Lol!

Errrr......... have you even bothered to look at the players we've acquired in the last week or so? Each have elements of elite speed, endurance, kicking, etc. Dom Barry is anything but a big, muscly, heavy brute.

Lol!

compared to Morton he is.

Just got to hope GWS won't bid on him as they'll most likely take Whitfield, Toumpas & Grundy.

Fact is Wines has been told we will take him if he's available.

What a time to be a Dee, they're starting to give us hope again with some good decisions.

I hope everyone is happy, expect a few more yet guys!

Where did you hear that?

Lol!

Errrr......... have you even bothered to look at the players we've acquired in the last week or so? Each have elements of elite speed, endurance, kicking, etc. Dom Barry is anything but a big, muscly, heavy brute.

Lol!

Why let facts get in the way of your prejudices