Jump to content


Recommended Posts

A BIG LAUGH by The Oracle

This season has produced very little for Melbourne supporters to smile about as the club has been hit by disasters off the field and pushed from pillar to post on it. The calamities that have affected the Demons have certainly been well documented and little of it has been funny.

This is why I was somewhat puzzled to see the three talking heads on On The Couch giggling away with amusement after showing a film clip of Melbourne Chairman that selectively focussed on part of the comments he made to members at a lunch before last week's game against the Gold Coast Suns concerning the tanking controversy initiated by an interview on the programme with former player Brock McLean.

Of course, they would not be laughing if they had to respond to the substantive matters McLardy discussed and about which On The Couch omitted to mention; namely the issues surrounding list management that are a fundamental to our game and which affect most clubs from time to time. And we all know that Melbourne has not been alone here although the panel was apparently collectively inflicted by amnesia about how McLean's current club rorted the system so that they forgot to ask him why, if he held such high principles, did he move on to the Blues of all clubs after leaving the Demons?

What McLardy said was reported in the Melbourne Age in rebuttal of claims that McLean had declared on the programme that Melbourne deliberately lost games to gain valuable draft picks (actually McLean described what happened as not tanking but "experimenting" but the facts should never get in the way of a good story) – Demons re-sign key players, Schwab:-

McLardy also sought to defend the Demons against renewed allegations of tanking late in 2009, which are now again under AFL investigation.

"The issues surrounding list management are well documented . . . it is complex but it is a fundamental of our game, and every club is faced with difficult decisions every year, " he said.

"During the time in question, our club was a developing side. At any time in the competition there are clubs poised to make the finals and there are teams trying to build sides capable of making the finals. We clearly sat in the latter category.

"Were we focused on getting game experience into young players? Yes we were. Were we trying to develop our players by experimenting with different positions? Yes we were. Did we select young players sometimes ahead of experienced players to see what they were made of? Yes we did. Like many other sides, we are doing exactly the same thing today. We are managing our list in context to where we are in the competition. "

I understand how three people with a megaphone and an agenda can misrepresent the club's position and ignore the thrust of what McLardy said but it wasn't funny and it reflected poorly on the presenters of On The Couch. As the great Groucho Marx would say:

"I find television very educating.

Every time somebody turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book."

groucho.jpg

I reckon Groucho must have been thinking about the three clowns on On The Couch.

Unfortunately for them, Melbourne produced some winning form last weekend against the Gold Coast Suns. Sure, it wasn't a flashy or convincing win but the margin was 42 points. One might think a win of that size would mean the club could avoid criticism from the usual suspects but a few decided the loss was shameful; the winning margin should have been double that and Melbourne's effort is therefore deemed a failure and indicative of a poor culture.

Never mind that the Suns' recent form hasn't been all that bad. On 8 July, they lost to Geelong by 14 points, a week later they beat Richmond by 2 points and after that lost to the Lions by 11 points. Their only recent thumping was at the hands of ladder leader Sydney.

The media circus continues with another one-sided stab against Melbourne in today's Age concerning the retirement of Brad Green who has been a great servant of the club and yesterday announced he was leaving at the end of the season. The press conference was conducted with great professionalism and in the style of the club champion the 251 gamer conducted himself throughout his illustrious career. In the circumstances, it was disappointing for the Age to immediately jump in and focus on the whether Melbourne had been disloyal to Green suggesting it should have kept him on irrespective form or the player's drive to continue on further. It will be a matter of much amusement to see whether such an approach will be taken in the case of other impending retirements at clubs like the Western Bulldogs in the weeks to come.

To the media gurus who think they know everything, I say you're not funny but you certainly are a joke.

Thanks for giving me a big laugh!

And now, it's on to the MCG and the Saints who are starting at the ridiculous odds of $1.06 to win. That's funny too.

THE GAME

St. Kilda v Melbourne at MCG Saturday 11 August, 2012 at 1:45pm

HEAD TO HEAD

Overall St. Kilda 84 wins Melbourne 118 wins 1 drawn

At MCG St. Kilda 32 wins Melbourne 58 wins

Since 2000 St. Kilda 9 wins Melbourne 9 wins

The Coaches Watters 1 win Neeld 0 wins

MEDIA

TV Fox Footy Channel Live at 1.30pm Channel 7 (delayed at 3.00pm)

RADIO 3AW Triple M

THE BETTING

St. Kilda to win $1.06 Melbourne to win $9.50

THE LAST TIME THEY MET St. Kilda 12.12.84 defeated Melbourne 10.6.66 Round 5, 2012 at the MCG

The teams slugged it out for three quarters going goal for goal in wet conditions on a Saturday night. Mitch Clark was missed and he would have been handy at full forward in the last quarter when the Demons failed to score.

THE TEAMS

ST. KILDA

Backs Jarryn Geary James Gwilt Tom Simpkin

Half backs Sean Dempster Sam Fisher Sam Gilbert

Centreline Farren Ray Lenny Hayes Brendon Goddard

Half forwards Ahmed Saad Nick Riewoldt Nick Dal Santo

Forwards Stephen Milne Justin Koschitzke Sam Dunell

Followers Ben McEvoy David Armitage Leigh Montagna

Interchange Jason Gram Clinton Jones Jack Steven Beau Wilkes

Emergencies Jamie Cripps Tom Ledger Dean Polo

In Beau Wilkes

Out Dean Polo

MELBOURNE

Backs Joel Macdonald James Sellar Tom McDonald

Half backs Lynden Dunn Matthew Bate Colin Garland

Centreline Jack Trengove Brent Moloney Sam Blease

Half forwards Neville Jetta Jared Rivers Rohan Bail

Forwards Jeremy Howe Brad Green Colin Sylvia

Followers Jake Spencer Jack Grimes Nathan Jones

Interchange Jordie McKenzie James Magner James Strauss Luke Tapscott

Emergencies Michael Evans Jack Fitzpatrick Jordan Gysberts

In Matthew Bate Neville Jetta Jordie McKenzie

Out James Frawley (quad) Jordan Gysberts Cale Morton (shoulder)

It's a pity from Melbourne's point of view that Stephen Milne is free to play on Saturday after being fined $3,000 by St Kilda for making a homophobic comment towards Harry O'Brien. The little pest always seems to be the first to kick a goal (or two) in St. Kilda v Melbourne games and the Dees best bet to control the damage he might inflict, Clint Bartram, is languishing on their long injured list which last week stretched to about 15 players.

By way of contrast, the Saints have close to a full list of players from which to select their team this week. According to this week's Age, it reads like this:

ST KILDA

Adam Schneider (hamstring) 1 wk

Rhys Stanley (hamstring) 1-2 wks

Darren Minchington (hip) season

This compares well with the miraculous situation over at Arden Street where this is the situation on an almost weekly basis:-

NORTH MELBOURNE

Leigh Adams (shoulder) test

Tom Curran (foot) season

[a late addition to this list is Hamish McIntosh who faces LARS surgery on his knee which also rules him out for the season]

The end result is that a full strength St. Kilda which needs to make every post a winner is taking on an emaciated Melbourne which is variously considered as tanking, experimenting, suffering from a losing culture (even when it wins games by seven goals).

The game will still have its points of interest. Nathan Jones is having a stellar season and has set a great example to many of his teammates as to how to go about things from the very start of the pre season and right through the highs and mainly the lows of the year. It's a pity that very few have followed that example although Tom McDonald is one who has worked hard to make himself a valued member of the team. He took on Nick Riewoldt last time the teams met and acquitted himself well enough to be given the task again.

The two skippers have been under fire for most of the year but are slowly coming of age. Their experience in difficult times will hold them in good stead in the years to come when the team takes on a different shape. Against the Saints, Grimes plays only his 50th game. Trengove reached that mark a few weeks ago. One day their appointment as joint captains may well be seen as an inspired move.

At the other end of the scale a rejuvenated Green should continue to kick goals but the Demon forward line is bereft of star players. We might see another mark of the year from high flyer Jeremy Howe but, in reality, there's not enough goal kicking capacity for me to say the Demons will get close to causing an upset.

The result is a foregone conclusion - an absolute no brainer with the Saints to win and win well.

St. Kilda by 40 points

If you want a real laugh I recommend the play GROUCHO commencing on 15 August 2012 for a short season at Chapel Off Chapel. If Demonlanders book tickets and confirm their booking and ticket number with Demonland by PM, a donation of $4.00 per ticket will be made to a charity connected with mental health.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

The media circus continues with another one-sided stab against Melbourne in today's Age concerning the retirement of Brad Green who has been a great servant of the club and yesterday announced he was leaving at the end of the season. The press conference was conducted with great professionalism and in the style of the club champion the 251 gamer conducted himself throughout his illustrious career. In the circumstances, it was disappointing for the Age to immediately jump in and focus on the whether Melbourne had been disloyal to Green suggesting it should have kept him on irrespective form or the player's drive to continue on further. It will be a matter of much amusement to see whether such an approach will be taken in the case of other impending retirements at clubs like the Western Bulldogs in the weeks to come.

If you want a real laugh I recommend the play GROUCHO commencing on 15 August 2012 for a short season at Chapel Off Chapel. If Demonlanders book tickets and confirm their booking and ticket number with Demonland by PM, a donation of $4.00 per ticket will be made to a charity connected with mental health.

I couldn't agree with you more.

The media should at least give Brad Green and the club a few moments to reflect on his magnificent career before starting with the politics of whether he should have played on for another year or not.

Clearly, Mark Neeld has a plan for the club going forward and the discussion as to whether we should keep players reaching the end of their career would have been best kept for another time.

Thanks for the heads up about the Groucho play. I love the Marx Brothers and their humour. Include me in!

Link to comment
Share on other sites


why does it say its at etihad staduim when its at the MCG?

The Oracle was clearly bedazzled by the fact that a St. Kilda home game was being played at the home of football and not that dump of a place out near the docks.

It's been fixed but how funny would it have been if a few thousand fans had turned up to a vacant Etihad.

Groucho would have been pleased.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

'

I couldn't agree with you more.

The media should at least give Brad Green and the club a few moments to reflect on his magnificent career before starting with the politics of whether he should have played on for another year or not.

Clearly, Mark Neeld has a plan for the club going forward and the discussion as to whether we should keep players reaching the end of their career would have been best kept for another time.

Thanks for the heads up about the Groucho play. I love the Marx Brothers and their humour. Include me in!

The funny thing is that the Age quotes Brad as saying - '

'It's been playing in my head for a little while that my career was coming to an end,'' Green said yesterday.

''I know where this group needs to go, and for them to move forward I need to step aside and let this emerging talent grow. I never wanted to overstay my welcome and take a young guy's spot.''

On that basis, the Age is calling Green a liar.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Unfortunately for them, Melbourne produced some winning form last weekend against the Gold Coast Suns. Sure, it wasn't a flashy or convincing win but the margin was 42 points. One might think a win of that size would mean the club could avoid criticism from the usual suspects but a few decided the loss was shameful; the winning margin should have been double that and Melbourne's effort is therefore deemed a failure and indicative of a poor culture.

IMO This was Melbourne's best performance this year.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

MELBOURNE

Backs Joel Macdonald James Sellar Tom McDonald

Half backs Lynden Dunn James Frawley Colin Garland

Centreline Jack Trengove Brent Moloney Sam Blease

Half forwards Neville Jetta Jared Rivers Rohan Bail

Forwards Jeremy Howe Brad Green Colin Sylvia

Followers Jake Spencer Jack Grimes Nathan Jones

Interchange Jordie McKenzie James Magner James Strauss Luke Tapscott

Emergencies Matthew Bate Michael Evans Jordan Gysberts

In Neville Jetta Jordie McKenzie

Out Jordan Gysberts Cale Morton (shoulder)

Still no Watts ... five weeks for a simple ankle?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

You missed Sunday's game?

The guy has his first game back, is a true midfielder rather than a stopper such as Mckenzie so we are minus one ball winning mid, and stops a midfield rotation and puts pressure back on Moloney.

He has a footy IQ, something I don't see from Mckenzie, and he has great distribution from the packs. Give the guy a proper run for God's sake.

Yes Mckenzie is good at what he does but God, we need mids and he is one!!!!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The guy has his first game back, is a true midfielder rather than a stopper such as Mckenzie so we are minus one ball winning mid, and stops a midfield rotation and puts pressure back on Moloney.

He has a footy IQ, something I don't see from Mckenzie, and he has great distribution from the packs. Give the guy a proper run for God's sake.

Yes Mckenzie is good at what he does but God, we need mids and he is one!!!!

What is Gysberts lacking?

Fitness.

Can he work on that at Casey?

Yes.

Dropped.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

For ****'s SAKE!!!! WHY IS THE GYS DROPPED!!!!

You missed Sunday's game?

I did too, but surely he needs a few on the trot to see just where he stands.....before hopefully an enormous committed preseason!!
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

What is Gysberts lacking?

Fitness.

Can he work on that at Casey?

Yes.

Dropped.

Gain fitness in the AFL rather than at a lower level where the intensity is much lower and the standard is poorer. Getting 30 disposals in the VFL isn't of the same value as the WAFL/SANFL imo so the only way to better himself is a run in the 1's!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I am getting seriously annoyed at seeing Watts out, how is it a player can have test against him name for so long and not play. Is something else going on here? Does he keep aggravating it at training? Would it be worth us putting him on ice for the last rounds?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I am getting seriously annoyed at seeing Watts out, how is it a player can have test against him name for so long and not play. Is something else going on here? Does he keep aggravating it at training? Would it be worth us putting him on ice for the last rounds?

I think that this post kind of contradicts itself, Pates.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

For ****'s SAKE!!!! WHY IS THE GYS DROPPED!!!!

Prior to last week's team selection, Mark Neeld said that The Gys was not yet match fit for the AFL. The fact he was subsequently picked would indicate to me that he was picked due to a lack of other available alternatives. His lack of fitness was demonstrated in the game. So, with McKenzie & Jetta both now available, the Gys returns to Casey to continue his rebuild.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Gain fitness in the AFL rather than at a lower level where the intensity is much lower and the standard is poorer. Getting 30 disposals in the VFL isn't of the same value as the WAFL/SANFL imo so the only way to better himself is a run in the 1's!

Agreed. But I wouldn't think that would be necessary at this stage of the season. His aerobic base would be sketchy and needs some consistent games under his belt to improve it. If his base was tip top and he just needed some 'match' fitness then sure, IMO he'd be in the 1sts. But with only a few games to go, why push him up to get the match fitness at AFL level when that would take a good 4-5 weeks to have an impact? Is there any point in getting him match fit for the off-season?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Prior to last week's team selection, Mark Neeld said that The Gys was not yet match fit for the AFL. The fact he was subsequently picked would indicate to me that he was picked due to a lack of other available alternatives. His lack of fitness was demonstrated in the game. So, with McKenzie & Jetta both now available, the Gys returns to Casey to continue his rebuild.

Yeah...OK. The best explanation for his selection last week and not this. Thanks Barry.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    CAT SKINNING by George On The Outer

    When they defeated the Geelong Cats in the 2021 AFL Preliminary Final on Friday night in Perth, Melbourne proved that there is more than one way to skin those cats.  They did it in the ruck and in the middle, they did it in the forward line, they did it in defence and around the ground, but importantly, each and every player a Demon guernsey spent his night at Optus Stadium skinning an opponent. Following the after-the-siren win against Geelong in Round 23, there was an expectation of

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    THE POINTY END by The Oracle

    The AFL’s two oldest clubs, Melbourne and Geelong, face off on Friday evening in a sudden death Preliminary Final. It’s a game that promises plenty in terms of fascination and intrigue as a result of the rivalry that’s been building between the teams over recent encounters that have been tight struggles which have gone to the wire with two of them decided by after-the-siren goals. The added touch of mystery attached to this week’s meeting comes by virtue of the fact that it’s going to take

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    THE VFL YEAR THAT NEVER WAS by KC from Casey

    The rising case numbers and the continuing lockdowns in Victoria and NSW spelled doom for the 2021 VFL season which went through a slow, painful demise before its recent official cancellation. After weeks of indecision, the AFL decided to pull the plug on the season with the 10-0 Bulldogs recognised as minor premier, but without a premiership cup and without awarding the J.J. Liston Medal for the best and fairest VFL player. It was somewhat fortuitous for the integrity of the competition t

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    TAMING THE LIONS by George On The Outer

    With nine finals debutants in the side, the Melbourne Football Club had a daunting assignment ahead of it in the First Qualifying Final — to overcome the competition’s highest scoring side, the Brisbane Lions. In the end, the Demons accomplished the task by putting the bite on their opponents on their way to taming the Lions and recording a 33 point win that propelled them into one the two Preliminary Finals of 2021.   It was one of those debutants, Luke Jackson, who put the bite in more

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    RETURN TO NEVERLAND by Whispering Jack

    The greatest Demon A HIGHWAY OF DEMONS by Whispering Jack CHAPTER SIXTEEN - RETURN TO NEVERLAND  I have a six year old grandson who recently took up the family tradition of following the Demons. He had his first taste of the game a few years ago when he went to the “G” with his parents to watch the 107-point massacre of Carlton and he went to another game in the following season which was also a W for the Dees. But his appetite for the club has grown exponentially this year and wh

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features 13

    METAMORPHOSIS by Whispering Jack

    I’ve always believed that when the home and away matches come to an end, the football season takes on a completely different shape and character. During the regular season, each team’s goals progress as the weeks pass and if you’re good enough to survive and make the grade, the situation changes. The comparison can be made with the life cycle of a butterfly going through stages from egg to larva to caterpillar, cocoon and in the end to a bright and colourful creature that emerges from darkness i

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    STEALING THE CATS’ CREAM by George On The Outer

    They were leading by 44 points well into the third quarter of a game to decide the minor premier, having kicked nine unanswered goals. The Cats were about to lap up their bowl of cream, dreaming of next week but the Demons led by Max Gawn had other ideas. In a stunning finish, they stole the game from under them to claim the plaudits as best team and top of ladder position. In a remarkable game, it all came down to Max having to kick the winning goal after the final siren, something which s

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    SKIN THE CATS by Whispering Jack

    The task ahead for the Demons as they wend their way down the Princes Freeway to Geelong on Saturday night will be to skin the Cats. For them to come away with the points from this game would mark an historic occasion for the club as it will finish on top of the ladder for the first time since its last premiership year, 1964. And it was in that year, that a trip to Corio Bay to meet the reigning premiers in Round 12, was one of the catalysts for Melbourne’s surge to the flag. It was a top o

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    REACH FOR THE STARS by George on the Outer

    It was a game of great significance for the Melbourne Football Club. A win would see them keep top spot on the ladder with one round remaining. To achieve top place in the Round for Reach when we are all inspired to “Be Like Jim” and reach for the stars was a great way of honouring one of our heroes. All the better given that it was done by way of an emphatic 41 point win against Adelaide! It is worth remembering that, but for the umpiring mistake in the previous encounter with the Crows, t

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    TICKETS PLEASE by The Oracle

    A lot of water has passed under Princes Bridge in the five years since Melbourne last met Adelaide on the MCG. The Crows were riding high at the time while the Demons were mid-table and scrambling for a win to stay in the race for the finals. The 30,000 fans who had tickets to the game were thoroughly entertained by a close, high scoring affair that ended in tears for fans of the home team. Not even an eight-goal second term could help them.   Times have changed.    In the fi

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    ELECTRIFYING by George On The Outer

    What more can they throw at the Demons of 2021? Covid restrictions, hubs, aircraft circling between airports before landing for games and now a match stopped for 30 minutes to give a flagging opponent its second wind? To date, none of those distractions has swayed the team from their winning objectives. The game against West Coast in Perth can be marked on their report card as another positive outcome after yet another test. There was much at stake for both sides.  Melbourne had t

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    LONG AGO AND FAR AWAY by Whispering Jack

    When the combatants that are due to face off on Monday night at Optus Stadium last met, it was 11 days after the World Health Organization had declared the Covid19 outbreak a global pandemic. In Australia, the first cases had just come to light, including visiting US actors Tom Hanks and wife Rita Wilson, the toilet paper panic was in full flight and the world was starting to reel in anticipation of impending disaster. Half an hour before this last game of the opening round was due to comme

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!
×
×
  • Create New...