Rohan Connolly: Real story isn't tanking, it's AFL incompetence

[McQueen 17,864]

Amazingly i actually thought the Hun's Mark Steven's suggestion in today's paper of averaging ladder position over the season a really good idea

http://www.heraldsun...f-1226440727157

Yeah good idea.

Doubt it was his though.

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,078]

Here's my take. The AFL want to see the Demons succeed and allowed Scully to be accessable to GWS as an unofficial sanction for making tanking (which deep down they know is wide spread and has been for years) because Bailey made it too obvious...

[biggestred 4,398]

rowan is spot on

[Ouch! 2,081]

lol

My bad humour.

Bad humour would see us end up with frozen chook!

.... mind you, it still might get a game occasionally :D

[DEE fence 4,561]

He forgot:

* The amount of journalists reporting on AFL far outweighs those reporting on Australian politics. More quantity = less quality.

* The journalists ready & willing to insert themselves into the headlines by editorializing news stories.

* Journalists making news stories based on what they or other journalists say.

* Journalists blatantly taking [censored] out of context.

* Journalists reporting on the gossip of the game & not what happens on the field. Caro being AFL-drip fed the North to the Gold Coast story in 07 & then her blatant anti-Brayshaw agenda since is a fine illustration of this.

* The amount of bias being inserted into the AFL commentariat - I don't even know who you are Andy Maher so I couldn't care less that you're a passionate Blue. Whatever happened to impartiality?

I could go on, but it seems that Ro-Ro (hes a Bombers fan don't ya know?) has missed giving the AFL a whack for handing out so many media passes to nuffies who have NFI.

ace post - I reckon the journos actually harm the game with their nit picking, they make everyone feel the need to be beige, will never see another Whaco Jacko

[Roost It 1,434]

Give pick 1 up the ninth placed team and pick 10 to the team finishing 18

Tanking over unless you tank to miss finals

[Robot Devil 1,895]

It's like Americans saying that the MLB finals are the "World Series" and then the USA team get pumped by Columbia or something.

I think the "World Series" was actually named after the newspaper that sponsored the championship in the early 1900s. It just stuck all these years and I think the Yanks secretly like the fact it sounds like baseball is all about them.

[Tony Tea 2,792]

Money talks, whinging walks.

[Range Rover 1,935]

Here's my take. The AFL want to see the Demons succeed and allowed Scully to be accessable to GWS as an unofficial sanction for making tanking (which deep down they know is wide spread and has been for years) because Bailey made it too obvious...

Yet still awarded us Ablett-level compensation for losing him? Don't think so.

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,078]

I forgot that part

[bush demon 1,915]

You didn't mention the despicable stadium deals that entrench clubs into the wealthy or pauper category, Geelong get 20000 to Skilled stadium and they make $500k. We get that to the MCG and write a cheque out to the AFL.

West Coast and Collingwood spend $300k A WEEK more than the Demons. That is a recipe for disaster.

And what about the fact that the AFL can't force Collingwood or Ess for that matter to wear an away strip?? (I don't count Ess's grey jumper as an away strip)

The grumbles are growing louder by the day. The AFL is sick.

Clash strips are all about AFL hegemony and a strategy to dilute the branding of the clubs. This in turn entrenches 'AFL colours' and badging, and makes the clubs - except for the powerful - kowtow to every petty decision town hall makes. Why isn't there a clash strip in grand finals? Shows the concept in the lead-up games to be petty and ridiculous. The league will itself one day be subject to its own inquiry - and expensive litigation - by the many concussed players who accept the mal-administration of this competition.

[beelzebub 22,422]

Clash strips are all about AFL hegemony and a strategy to dilute the branding of the clubs. This in turn entrenches 'AFL colours' and badging, and makes the clubs - except for the powerful - kowtow to every petty decision town hall makes. Why isn't there a clash strip in grand finals? Shows the concept in the lead-up games to be petty and ridiculous. The league will itself one day be subject to its own inquiry - and expensive litigation - by the many concussed players who accept the mal-administration of this competition.

an interesting take on thngs, not without some curry

[daisycutter 28,704]

Interesting that an employee of one incompetent organisation is blaming another organisation for incomptetence

Wonders never cease

[Schneider 220]

I hate IMO... We know it's your damn opinion you wrote it!!

[Dr. Gonzo 22,676]

Well then perhaps go bottom 9 and top 9. Teams that are on the fringe of playing finals aren't

going to tank anyway. I would say Yes to something like this as it would stop things like tanking from

happening. Teams are still going to finish players seasons early and try young players but at

least it will take away from the idea that they are purposely tanking.

And in the NBA system the bottom ranked side still has the best chance of winning the top pick

as they have a higher number of 'chances' when drawing the draft positions. But the ability for sides

who don't finish last to still get a higher pick would mean theres no real point in actual tanking.

And in the NBA system they still have tanking. The only way a lottery would work is if the bottom 10 sides were each in the lottery with an even chance of getting the number 1 pick.

I don't think it is quite as sick as you suggest jnr.

It is financially viable

However the powerful do rule but I am not sure that anything has changed in my 50+ years of following the AFL.

My biggest complaint about the AFL is that there are too many teams.

IMO

- the talent pool is stretched to far there are not enough good players to go round eg.the MFC.

- There are always going to be 3 - 4 teams who will be easy beats that will have their seasons over in May.

- having more than 14 teams is IMO unworkable

This may be so but whose head do you think will be on the chopping block? I'll give you a hint it's not going to be any of the expansion teams.

Clash strips are all about AFL hegemony and a strategy to dilute the branding of the clubs. This in turn entrenches 'AFL colours' and badging, and makes the clubs - except for the powerful - kowtow to every petty decision town hall makes. Why isn't there a clash strip in grand finals? Shows the concept in the lead-up games to be petty and ridiculous. The league will itself one day be subject to its own inquiry - and expensive litigation - by the many concussed players who accept the mal-administration of this competition.

St. Kilda wore a clash strip in the 2010 GF - Nick Riewoldt was going to change into their normal jumper after the game for the cup presentation if they won.

Edited August 2, 2012 by Dr. Gonzo

[Dr. Gonzo 22,676]

Amazingly i actually thought the Hun's Mark Steven's suggestion in today's paper of averaging ladder position over the season a really good idea

http://www.heraldsun...f-1226440727157

I read one on BF where it should be based on percentage rather than ladder position - maybe for the teams outside the 8or bottom 4 only? Pretty hard for the coach/FD to try and tank large amounts of percentage.

[H_T 2,941]

I hate IMO... We know it's your damn opinion you wrote it!!

Insightful Schneider. 'Hate' a strong word. Do you really 'hate' it ?

[My TD 156]

St. Kilda wore a clash strip in the 2010 GF - Nick Riewoldt was going to change into their normal jumper after the game for the cup presentation if they won.

Couln't believe they did that.

Especially considering that the only pic they have of a St.Kilda player holding up the premiership cup is of Baldock who's wearing a Collingwood jumper.

I wouldn't have been happy at all if it was us.

[jnrmac 19,366]

I hate IMO... We know it's your damn opinion you wrote it!!

Feisty for a newbie..

[Schneider 220]

Insightful Schneider. 'Hate' a strong word. Do you really 'hate' it ?

Indeed I do.

On topic, Ladder averages, Wins to get picks if you spent x many weeks on the bottom, average over multiple seasons..... Really guys? Half the Collingwood supporter base can't count past 10 (Less for those who've lost a finger attempting check if the lawn mower blades are running). It's not going to change, will stay the same and no doubt be a topic of conversation again next year IGO (God's opinion)

[Dr John Dee 1,057]

Feisty for a newbie..

Oh, no, is there a pecking order here? Do newbies (such an old fashioned word) have to be quiet and deferential?

How many posts qualify us to make a noise?

[jnrmac 19,366]

Oh, no, is there a pecking order here? Do newbies (such an old fashioned word) have to be quiet and deferential?

How many posts qualify us to make a noise?

More than 18! :)

[Dr John Dee 1,057]

More than 18! :)

Yay, I've made the magic number.

[jnrmac 19,366]

A lot more than 18!!

[Dr John Dee 1,057]

A lot more than 18!!

Good to know that you think there are hierarchies here, Jnr. Better to know that nobody else seems to.

But I'd better get back in my place, just in case.