Changes for Round 5 vs St Kilda

[dee-tox 4,835]

So if Bartram didn't play on Dalhuis last match who did?

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

Just to clear things up, it's Tom Mc and Joel Mac.

Whenever I read these threads I get incredibly frustrated with people who don't take the time to spell our players' names correctly. We all support the same team, but as a matter of respect to the players, spell their damn names right!

We do not have a Bartrum, Sellars, Tom Macdonald, Joel McDonald, Pettard, Maloney, Silvia, Clarke or Trengrove. It takes two seconds to get it right; please make the effort.

[Bring-Back-Powell 15,289]

If Ricky Petterd doesn't get a game this week, something is wrong.

How he cannot get a game over seriously average players like MacDonald, McDonald, Sellar and Dunn is a joke. I understand he played a poor game v West Coast, but how many others have put in continued poor games and not gotten dropped.

In- Petterd, Sylvia, Grimes, Martin (if fit)

Out- MacDonald, Dunn, Sellar, McDonald

See how we go Playing 1 less tall. Kozi out for them is handy.

I'd play Sylvia permanent as a stay at home fwd this week rather than ease him back in the vfl. We need class forwards up there!

Certainly our best 22 so far.

[jimcor 212]

If Ricky Petterd doesn't get a game this week, something is wrong.

If consistency of effort is going to be one of the key criteria for selection, it shouldn't be too much to expect that someone who wants to put their hand up for the firsts, should consistently excel in the seconds. By consistency, I mean more than once in succession. From the Casey report twoweeks ago, it didn't sound as if he's managed it once yet. I would continue to omit him.

Your other 3 outs have all at least shown that they'll give 100%, Dunn I don't really understand how he holds his place but that might be my lack of perception. He has a good few supporters so they obviously see something beyond his Jacko-type posturing.

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

If consistency of effort is going to be one of the key criteria for selection, it shouldn't be too much to expect that someone who wants to put their hand up for the firsts, should consistently excel in the seconds. By consistency, I mean more than once in succession. From the Casey report twoweeks ago, it didn't sound as if he's managed it once yet. I would continue to omit him.

Your other 3 outs have all at least shown that they'll give 100%, Dunn I don't really understand how he holds his place but that might be my lack of perception. He has a good few supporters so they obviously see something beyond his Jacko-type posturing.

Just because a player gives 100% doesn't mean that they deserve to play. I'd give 100% week in and week out, yet for some reason I keep getting overlooked on draft day. Strange...

[jimcor 212]

I agree but it seems to be one of the absolute key criteria with our coaching panel and, at the very least, I think if we are going to develop a winning culture, we need to clearly draw the line for players wanting to get into the ones that shows what's expected of them. I am tired of strategy-less experimentation.

[monoccular 17,654]

...... If a player is dropped (as he was) it probably indicates that he lacks effort, fitness or skill. I think that players need to earn their places in the team barring a catastrophe. ......

you mean like Davey between round 1 and 3?

[DirtyDees DDC 190]

Whenever I read these threads I get incredibly frustrated with people who don't take the time to spell our players' names correctly. We all support the same team, but as a matter of respect to the players, spell their damn names right!

We do not have a Bartrum, Sellars, Tom Macdonald, Joel McDonald, Pettard, Maloney, Silvia, Clarke or Trengrove. It takes two seconds to get it right; please make the effort.

You left off Liam Jurrah. It should be spelt 'Jarrah'.

[jimcor 212]

you mean like Davey between round 1 and 3?

I'm not trying to suggest that consistency of effort is the only thing. I guess the other basic elements that go into making a superior player would include speed, skill and discipline. Davey certainly has at least a couple of these and the panel seemed to make a judgement that he was a better option than Petterd given the current state of the team.

If he gets dropped this or any other week, I would hope that he wouldn't be brought back until his performances warranted a return.

[btdemon 482]

Why is Bartram escaping the axe? Bloke (Dalhuis) who's played 15 games flogged him.

OUT: MacDonald, McDonald, Bartram, Sellar, Dunn.

IN: Sylvia, Grimes, Martin, Petterd and a backman who can kick a ball to a team mate from 15 metres.

Firstly, we don't have one.

Secondly, Bartram will play his 100th this week and who do you suggest we play on Milne? Bennell?

My team against Saints:

Bartram Frawley Garland

Grimes Rivers Morton

Bail Moloney Trengove

Sylvia Watts Howe

Davey Clarke Petterd

Foll: Jamar Jones Magner

Int: Martin Couch Bate Tapscott (sub)

In: Couch Grimes Petterd Martin Sylvia

Out: Macdonald Sellar McKenzie McDonald Dunn

Ps Even though i would like to see Petterd in I don't think his form will warrant selection with the match commitee

[GawnWithTheWind 604]

Ins: Sylvia, Grimes, Petterd

Outs: MacDonald, McDonald, McKenzie

FB: Garland - Frawely - Bartram

HB: Grimes - Rivers - Tapscott

C: Morton - Jones - Trengove

HF: Sylvia - Watts - Howe

FF: Petterd - Clark - Davey

R: Jamar - Moloney - Magner

I: Sellar - Dunn - Bate

S: Bail

Matchups:

Garland - Rooey (Frawley if needed)

Bartram - Milne

Frawley - Stanley

Tapscott - Milera

Magner - Hayes

Moloney - Dal Santo

Jones - Joey

Petterd/Dunn - Goddard

[La Dee-vina Comedia 17,053]

I'm surprised at the expectations of many that the only place to satisfy selectors of fitness, form, skill and attitude is via playing a game either with Melbourne or Casey. What do you think happens on the other six days of the week?

[P-man 13,366]

Whenever I read these threads I get incredibly frustrated with people who don't take the time to spell our players' names correctly. We all support the same team, but as a matter of respect to the players, spell their damn names right!

We do not have a Bartrum, Sellars, Tom Macdonald, Joel McDonald, Pettard, Maloney, Silvia, Clarke or Trengrove. It takes two seconds to get it right; please make the effort.

Fathead Ed called him "Trengrove" the other night. I wanted to reach through the screen and punch his purple face.

[Allen Jakovich 516]

You left off Liam Jurrah. It should be spelt 'Jarrah'.

And Brad Gween.

[Allen Jakovich 516]

If Couch doesn't come in for Jordie Mac someone's on the drugs that killed River Pheonix...

[P-man 13,366]

Ins: Sylvia, Grimes, Petterd Outs: MacDonald, McDonald, McKenzie FB: Garland - Frawely - Bartram HB: Grimes - Rivers - Tapscott C: Morton - Jones - Trengove HF: Sylvia - Watts - Howe FF: Petterd - Clark - Davey R: Jamar - Moloney - Magner I: Sellar - Dunn - Bate S: Bail

Every week I look at our lineup on paper and think, "they can do the job", this week being no different.

You could even mount a case that with Jurrah, Gysberts, Strauss etc to come back, we have good depth.

Again, it's only on paper.

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

Fathead Ed called him "Trengrove" the other night. I wanted to reach through the screen and punch his purple face.

That's almost as annoying as Ellie McKenzie doing it in DeeTV interviews. Almost.

[Guest gidon]

Every week I look at our lineup on paper and think, "they can do the job", this week being no different.

You could even mount a case that with Jurrah, Gysberts, Strauss etc to come back, we have good depth.

Again, it's only on paper.

I look at our team and think the same. It's disappointing after each game. It has to go back the players struggling with form and a new game plan. I also have to think that the current game plan isn't the way Neeld wants us to play. Particulary the offensive part to the game, run and spread etc.

[General 35]

OUT: McDonald, Tapscott (needs fitness) McKenzie

IN: Sylvia Grimes and Couch

MacDonald the sub backup in case we play Milne back into form. Otherwise would prefer to see Trengove go to defence. He's not getting the ball in the middle and all three of Sylvia, Grimes and Couch are more likely to get more ball.

Hardest week of the year for Neeld with some players coming back. Go Dees.

[Guest Deefence]

Congrats to Clint Bartram on playing his 100th this weekend. Seems only a short while ago that skinny blond kid made his debut.

Doesn't say much about our 'senior' players when only the following have played more games than him: Davey, Green, Jamar, Jones, Joel Mac, Beamer, Rivers and Sylvia.

[binman 44,630]

Whenever I read these threads I get incredibly frustrated with people who don't take the time to spell our players' names correctly. We all support the same team, but as a matter of respect to the players, spell their damn names right!

We do not have a Bartrum, Sellars, Tom Macdonald, Joel McDonald, Pettard, Maloney, Silvia, Clarke or Trengrove. It takes two seconds to get it right; please make the effort.

GTC a bit OCD?

[McQueen 17,867]

Will Sylvia play at Casey for Match fitness or come straight back in to the line up?

I thought I heard somewhere that Neeld has said he'll play for Casey..

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

How he cannot get a game over seriously average players like MacDonald, McDonald, Sellar and Dunn is a joke. I understand he played a poor game v West Coast, but how many others have put in continued poor games and not gotten dropped.

I love it when people get charged up over why player X gets selected over player Y when in most cases they are playing different roles and the person they are aggrieved about does not have any superior claim to a position in the side on form.

I'm not trying to suggest that consistency of effort is the only thing. I guess the other basic elements that go into making a superior player would include speed, skill and discipline. Davey certainly has at least a couple of these and the panel seemed to make a judgement that he was a better option than Petterd given the current state of the team.

If he gets dropped this or any other week, I would hope that he wouldn't be brought back until his performances warranted a return.

RIght so who better to play the FP role? Bennell or Blease? I dont think so. There are a myriad of issues that get taken into selection not just 1 or 2 hard and fast rules

[H_T 3,049]

Will Sylvia play at Casey for Match fitness or come straight back in to the line up?

I thought I heard somewhere that Neeld has said he'll play for Casey..

Maybe.

But you might have overheard or read that about Jurrah.

[Chook 15,023]

Congrats to Clint Bartram on playing his 100th this weekend. Seems only a short while ago that skinny blond kid made his debut.

Doesn't say much about our 'senior' players when only the following have played more games than him: Davey, Green, Jamar, Jones, Joel Mac, Beamer, Rivers and Sylvia.

I think it says more about our terrible drafting and ruthless youth policy than our remaining senior players.