2011 TRADES DISCUSSION

[old55 23,573]

We've got to turn some players over - Scully makes one, but we need at least 2 more vacancies, maybe more if we trade someone in to filla "gap", which I hope we do.

Warnock, Maric, Macdonald, Wonna - all out of contract. Bate in contract but looking for a trade. In all probability at least 3 of them wont be on our list next year.

Edited October 11, 2011 by old55

[Tatu 416]

We've got to turn some players over - Scully makes one, but we need at least 2 more vacancies, maybe more if we trade someone in to filla "gap", which I hope we do.

Warnock, Maric, Macdonald, Wonna - all out of contract. Bate in contract but looking for a trade. In all probability at least 3 of them wont be on our list next year.

Out of those five players i'd keep Maric and Aussie....

[Dr. Gonzo 24,216]

As you said Scully makes one - Warnock wants out and we're happy to oblige, that's two.

I could easily see Wonna being delisted and then picked up as a rookie. Bate wants to go and it looks like we'll be happy to accommodate if an offer can be made. That's 4 spots and probably enough for this year. We can upgrade Nicholson to the senior list leaving 3 more spots being pick 12, 36 (or whatever our second pick is) and maybe get a player in for Bate or Warnock (Lisle?). That's probably all I'd do for now given the shallow draft pool and given there's no other rookies I'd be too keen to upgrade (possibly Evans?) unless there's another player they have in mind for a trade.

Question - does anyone know if we happen to land Crouch (or O'Meara however unlikely) do they take a spot on our senior list next year? Or do they come on for the 2013 season?

Edited October 11, 2011 by Dr. Gonzo

[H_T 3,047]

I'd assume 2013 season.

[The Great One 99 125]

Cant find any mention of him anywhere else.

Are we interested in Alan Toovey? 24. 189cm 89kg. Apparantly hard at it, but disposal, although improving, could be a concern.

Any thoughts?

Also could be very cheap.

[Demons 32 235]

Not cheap, 350k - 400k is overs for Tooooooov

[The Great One 99 125]

Wasn't thinking about his wage. I meant cheap to get. But you are right. If he is wanting too much cash, then it is probably not worth the punt.

[Guest Deefence]

We can upgrade Nicholson to the senior list leaving 3 more spots being pick 12, 36 (or whatever our second pick is) and maybe get a player in for Bate or Warnock (Lisle?). That's probably all I'd do for now given the shallow draft pool and given there's no other rookies I'd be too keen to upgrade (possibly Evans?) unless there's another player they have in mind for a trade.

Nicho and Pickles are contracted as second year rookies.

[The Chazz 4,077]

Cant find any mention of him anywhere else.

Are we interested in Alan Toovey? 24. 189cm 89kg. Apparantly hard at it, but disposal, although improving, could be a concern.

Any thoughts?

Also could be very cheap.

Can someone please tell me which players in the AFL have "elite" disposal, that run at 90% efficiency or better. And of all these players that have elite disposal, which of them are up for a potential trade.

Every bloody player mentioned as a trade possibility has disposal concerns. Surely the AFL can't be full of blokes that can't kick or handball???!!! Or is it that maybe the 70-75% efficiency rate is quite the standard (which mean a lot of pur blokes, including Jones and Bartram, are well within industry standard?).

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Can someone please tell me which players in the AFL have "elite" disposal, that run at 90% efficiency or better. And of all these players that have elite disposal, which of them are up for a potential trade.

Every bloody player mentioned as a trade possibility has disposal concerns. Surely the AFL can't be full of blokes that can't kick or handball???!!! Or is it that maybe the 70-75% efficiency rate is quite the standard (which mean a lot of pur blokes, including Jones and Bartram, are well within industry standard?).

Im pretty sure 80% is quite good, above that is "elite", 90% is huge

non will be on the market

Edited October 11, 2011 by Jordie_tackles

[Jordie_tackles 354]

GWS looking to keep O'Meara has severely [censored] me off.... i wanted Crouch but this opens the market back up to GC ect.....really unhappy

[The Chazz 4,077]

GWS looking to keep O'Meara has severely [censored] me off.... i wanted Crouch but this opens the market back up to GC ect.....really unhappy

Don't know if GC will pay Pick 4 for Crouch. We're not out of it by a long shot.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

The latest seems to be some 4 way deal involving Clarke to freo, Jaegar to GWS, Crouch to Adelaide and Gunston to Hawthorn....... AFL not sure about GWS ending up with Jaegar though

Adelaide may be after Ben Kennedy of SA in the mini draft.

[The Chazz 4,077]

Im pretty sure 80% is quite good, above that is "elite", 90% is huge

non will be on the market

Thanks Jordie. My point is that almost every player has flaws in their game, heck, even Chris Judd is only around the 73% efficiency or something. People's expectation of having all these players on our list with elite everything is totally unrealistic. No team has had it, and I'm doubtful that any will (especially with the game played at the pace it is).

Where we need to tidy things up is making sure that of the 75% of our efficient disposals are dangerous. This can be done.

Toovey is a very good footballer, but the only reason I wouldn't pick him up would be because of his price tag. His disposal, while not 100% efficient, is not an issue. But, I feel that way about Jones, and to some extent Bartram, which is against what is written in teh Code of Conduct for this site!

[drdrake 3,163]

The latest seems to be some 4 way deal involving Clarke to freo, Jaegar to GWS, Crouch to Adelaide and Gunston to Hawthorn....... AFL not sure about GWS ending up with Jaegar though

Adelaide may be after Ben Kennedy of SA in the mini draft

So what does Brisbane get, you need a five way deal to make this work

[Carlos Danger 380]

GWS looking to keep O'Meara has severely [censored] me off.... i wanted Crouch but this opens the market back up to GC ect.....really unhappy

Don't stress, GWS can't keep O'Meara as they don't have him. They are selling tickets to a mini-draft they can't participate in.

Very keen on Crouch but hoping too much isn't given up for his services (hopefully not both compensation picks). Viney and Crouch dominating at Casey next year would be a sight to see.

[mordja 187]

Don't stress, GWS can't keep O'Meara as they don't have him. They are selling tickets to a mini-draft they can't participate in.

Very keen on Crouch but hoping too much isn't given up for his services (hopefully not both compensation picks). Viney and Crouch dominating at Casey next year would be a sight to see.

AFL have said they don't like it, but haven't said no to it yet. It appears that if o'meara goes through other hands first they can get him back. By the rules anyway.

[Carlos Danger 380]

AFL have said they don't like it, but haven't said no to it yet. It appears that if o'meara goes through other hands first they can get him back. By the rules anyway.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/117004/default.aspx

"The Giants must trade the picks and cannot, for example, decide to use one to select O'Meara for themselves."

[beelzebub 23,376]

Kind of funny in a way . The AFL was happy enough if other clubs got dudded provided it was in line with Vlads grand scheme but Vlad doesn't like it when the same underhandedness is played against Vlad himself.

Got to begrudgingly admire the Dwarves.... they're bloody crafty lol

[Jordie_tackles 354]

So what does Brisbane get, you need a five way deal to make this work

Adelaide pick 10 to freo

Freo pick 10 to brisbane

Clarke to Brsbane

Adelaide Gunston to Hawthron

GWS pick 2 to Adelaide i think

Hawthorn ??? > ????presumably Adelaide

GWS pick 1 (O'Meara) to Adelaide then directly returned to GWS

Something like this, was mentioned on Trade week radio,

more so that these teams are involved with each other in big trade, with Freo wanting Clarke, Hawthorn wanting Gunston, GWS wanting to keep O'Meara and Adelaide seeing and opportunity to gain something from the Gunston situation and Brisbane actually getting something of worth for Clarke

This is how i understood it and see it

anyone else catch this?

[BAMF 4,353]

This from Bigfooty thread

Adelaide

Gain: Pick #24 + MDP #2

Lose: Jack Gunston + Pick #10

Hawthorn

Gain: Jack Gunston + Pick #38

Lose: Pick #24 + Rick Ladson

Fremantle

Gain: Mitch Clark

Lose: Band 3 Compo Pick + Pick #38

Brisbane

Gain: Pick #10

Lose: Mitch Clark

Giants

Gain: Rick Ladson + Band 3 Compo Pick

Keep: O'Meara

Lose: MDP #2

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Jordan Lisle? who can tell me about him?

I havnt seen him play but hear he is big and can take marks, doesnt kick a heap of goals though, 5 games in 4 years for the hawks?

I will bid Bate and a 3rd round pick lets talk hawks?

Edited October 11, 2011 by Jordie_tackles

[The Lobster Effect 891]

damn, so looks like melb will probably miss out on o'meara/crouch?

[Jordie_tackles 354]

damn, so looks like melb will probably miss out on o'meara/crouch?

Not yet, Adelaide are rumored to be keen on a local kid, depends on if pick 3 is available

[BAMF 4,353]

Jordan Lisle? who can tell me about him?

I havnt seen him play but hear he is big and can take marks, doesnt kick a heap of goals though, 5 games in 4 years for the hawks?

I will bid Bate and a 3rd round pick lets talk hawks?

Got most of the following information from this bigfooty thread.

http://www.bigfooty....ad.php?t=880046

196cm 96kg KPF.

Slid to pick 50 in 2008 (Watts Draft)

Played both defense and forward as a youngster. Has huge mits and can take a mark. Has not had much opportunity at the Hawks behind Franklin and Roughead.

Was pretty disappointing in his afl games, but was apparently nervous and usually plays very well at Box Hill.

Rumor - Has not been offered for trade but has been inquired about by a few clubs.

One of those guys who would be worth more to his club than he would get as a trade.

Edited October 11, 2011 by UTAH