The Tom Scully Saga

[Rogue 585]

TT, it was discussed on 360 last night. Robbo has a similar impression as most, that the result of Friday night was a big positive in us trying to keep him. They commented on the way all players got around him after he kicked his goal, even though it was a pretty standard 40m set shot.

I reckon they're reading too much into it.

My old man once gave me some advice, 'don't stress over things that you have no control over', which was great advice

It is indeed.

[Guest 36DD]

Wayne Carey - Arrogance. Dismissive of others. Pretty much just does what he wants. Was fiercely in denial over all his troubles for a long time because he's not one to admit or accept defeat.

Ben Cousins - flat stick 100% of the time. Addictive personality - craves the contest and the gut-running, punishing himself.

People's personalities show through in the way they play the game.

If you're likely to give up in a marking contest, you're likely to give up in life when something else gets a bit hard.

If you dig in and put your head down to run out a game, it's likely in life you'll react in the same way when things get tough.

Football makes people wear their personalities on their sleeves, whether they like it or not.

It's often a truer representation of their inner self than what they'd like to project in normal social situations.

Honestly, think about it next time you watch someone you know play footy.

It rings true.

Been watching too much Oprah

[Its Time for Another 4,223]

I can assure you this rumour is absolute BS. The rules set by the AFL that GWS are bound by in relation to players they can approach who are out of contract specifically prevent them from signing up a player while they are still under contract. Scully is under contract until 1 Oct. Any Heads of Agreement that is binding on a player legally forcing them to enter into a contract will definitely breach this requirement. It is a simple fact that any such H of A would be unenforceable, so to say he is going to try to get out of it, or apparently Blight saying he will find it very hard to get out of it, is crap and proves the lack of merit to the whole rumour.

Besides all of that, why question Scully's integrity. He took it upon himself to organise a press conference in which he categorically stated neither he, anyone in his family or anyone associated with him has spoken to GWS. That is an absolute categorical statement. No if's or but's. He didn't have to say any of that and by saying that he would be setting himself up as the biggest lier in AFL history when he doesn't need to. Why on earth question the guys integrity when he has made such a clear statement and didn't need to if it wasn't true. Give the kid and yourselves a break.

Who knows what he's going to do but this rumour has to be BS.

[rpfc 28,441]

I'm personally convinced that he is going

Hallelujah!!

Tom's staying!!

The anti-oracle has spoken!!

What he says, so shall it ever not be.

Amen.

[daisycutter 29,616]

No, actually your statement was the stupid one.

If you're smart enough, and you take the time to think about it, you'll realise I'm right.

I'm not the first to say it (can't remember where I heard if first) and I won't be the last.

LMAO, you've been watching "The Mentalist" too much Artie

You certainly know how to spin anything.

You don't work for the Labor party do you?

[Choko 493]

"Put simply, a heads of agreement is a moral agreement that say IF we decide to sign a contract, these are the terms upon which we will sign. It does not compel a perty to enter into a formal agreement. Actualy, it doesnt even complel anyone to actually agree to those terms (although its generally seen as retrading and poor form to change the agreed terms). Any well represented player would have plastered on the top of the Heads of Agreement "This is not a legally binding agreement. a legally binding agreement will only exist upon the signing of a definitive agreement."

They are typically only intended to provide lawyers and advisers with an understanding as to what the parties have agreed to so they can paper the deal without having to go back to the parties to ask them.

However, that is a smartly drafted heads of agreement. Some heads of agreement are drafted as an agreement and it places the onus on the parties to work in good faith to formally recoird that agreement in a definitive contract. This latter kind of agreement can only be escaped from IF there is a material point not contained in the heads of agreement that gives the player a justifiable grounds to say it would be reasonable to walk. I'd be shocked if anyone was dumb enough and poorly advised enough in the AFL to agree to this form of HOA."

Hows that sound Law people?

Well done!

They can be enforceable depending on how they are drafted, but not likely in this case

[stranga 328]

Well done!

They can be enforceable depending on how they are drafted, but not likely in this case

why would GWS not draft it to make it as binding as possible then?

[H_T 3,047]

Hrrrmm. Young Tom stated he hadn't signed anything or hadn't even spoken to anyone from GWS.

I believe in TS.

So all this HoA to me, is irrelevant and/or nonsense.

[rpfc 28,441]

why would GWS not draft it to make it as binding as possible then?

Maybe Tom wouldn't sign it if it were so binding?

Maybe this is all BS?

Maybe, JFK was killed by a magic bullet?

[Guest Artie Bucco]

LMAO, you've been watching "The Mentalist" too much Artie

You certainly know how to spin anything.

You don't work for the Labor party do you?

It's not at all conclusive in Scully's case ove whether he is lying or not, but is the way a man plays the game is generally indicative of their personality.

I'm at a loss to remember names, but I have heard at least 2 afl people repeat this.

I didn't come up with it, but it certainly rings true.

All you need to do is think about people you have played footy with yourself and how the 2 correspond.

Fairly simple concept, I'd have thought.

[loges 6,767]

why would GWS not draft it to make it as binding as possible then?

Because Tom may not then want to sign, this allows him to weigh up his options, knowing that IF he does decide to go he can be sure of what he will receive

[biggestred 5,094]

the herald sun already have an article up about that post

[rpfc 28,441]

We joke about it, but Tom has effectively said what "Tom Scully" says above...

[loges 6,767]

Surely it would be poor management for his agent to allow him to bind himself so early in the piece without considering what MFC may be able to come up with in an offer

[daisycutter 29,616]

It's not at all conclusive in Scully's case ove whether he is lying or not, but is the way a man plays the game is generally indicative of their personality.

I'm at a loss to remember names, but I have heard at least 2 afl people repeat this.

I didn't come up with it, but it certainly rings true.

All you need to do is think about people you have played footy with yourself and how the 2 correspond.

Fairly simple concept, I'd have thought.

yeah,yeah and the grass is greener on the other side and a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush (except for greenies) and a stitch in time saves nine.

Don't be so gullible Artie ("I heard at least 2 afl people repeat this" - gee whiz must be correct)

I have also heard many people comment how a particular player is a totally different person off the field, quite often.

Your comments are pure poppycock, but if you are happy believing that then go ahead and delude yourself.

[Goodvibes 3,596]

There's only one thing that has changed since his press conference - he played a game of footy and sadly that was enough to get all our favourite journos writing more speculative pieces. I trust in Tom.

[Finks 19]

There's only one thing that has changed since his press conference - he played a game of footy and sadly that was enough to get all our favourite journos writing more speculative pieces. I trust in Tom.

+1

[Guest 36DD]

Hallelujah!!

Tom's staying!!

The anti-oracle has spoken!!

What he says, so shall it ever not be.

Amen.

Mate we are well aware of your position on the TS issue, admire your positivity and confidence in the club to deliver, but please try and accomodate the glass half empty crew, their arguments are as legitimate as yours as none of us have a clue whats goin to happen. One thing we all agree on is the want and need for Scully to stay a Dee. FWIW i have become more confident in the possibility of him staying purely based on what I perceive to be his personality type and the fact that the Dees are in good shape at the mo, the best they have been in for over 40 years.

[rpfc 28,441]

I'm going to make the call. "Tom Scully" is none other than our own Rpfc.

The clever. obscure Youtube clip is a dead giveaway.

The mods can tell you it isn't me (IP address).

I like my video links to be a bit more clever than that.

Edited June 9, 2011 by rpfc

[rpfc 28,441]

Mate we are well aware of your position on the TS issue, admire your positivity and confidence in the club to deliver, but please try and accomodate the glass half empty crew, their arguments are as legitimate as yours as none of us have a clue whats goin to happen. One thing we all agree on is the want and need for Scully to stay a Dee. FWIW i have become more confident in the possibility of him staying purely based on what I perceive to be his personality type and the fact that the Dees are in good shape at the mo, the best they have been in for over 40 years.

That wasn't me having a go at those who think he is gone, that was me having go at Freak.

And after we voted in 2008 - it is morally accepted, nay mandated, that we have a go at Freak.

Kid's wrong a lot...

[Guest 36DD]

That wasn't me having a go at those who think he is gone, that was me having go at Freak.

And after we voted in 2008 - it is morally accepted, nay mandated, that we have a go at Freak.

Kid's wrong a lot...

Aint been here that long, so Freak aint really stood out, his card is now marked tho!!!

So much hot air on here it aint funny, the recent speculation instigated by Andrew Maher, c'mon people.

He's either gunna go or stay, none of us for certain know either way, if he stays great, 200 plus gamer, professionalism and leadership if he goes, first round draft pick, the higher the better, heaven forbid, could turn to be a better player than Scully. Still have a nucleus of a great side, so its not all doom and gloom is it???

[Hannabal 4]

+1

How is Chewy, Wheels ?

You may remember my dog with the ultra long tongue - Hannabal ? She died last year. Anyone ever had a 15 year old family dog put to sleep at your home while she lay on your lap ?

I've not been the same.

[GawnWithTheWind 604]

So the rumours are he has entered into a contract but now wants to void that contract and stay with Melbourne?

I can tell you now, he will not be held at ransom and go to a new club if he does not want to.

The new club will want to set up a positive atmosphere, with exciting young players and committed 'to the bigger picture' senior players.

They will not want a 20 year old kid running round for them, wanting to be somewhere else.

So,

If the rumours are true, then fantastic. He will say to GWS that I have changed my mind, draft me if you want, but I will make it public "I DO NOT WANT TO LEAVE MELBOURNE".

Negative press will not help them sign anyone else on the edge like our boy Tom

They will say, you signed a contract, and try and convince him... but at the same time, Melbourne will know his intentions and help him out every way possible.

Lets hope this rumour is true, cause it will save alot of demonlanders hearts.

Stay and Win Tom.

Edited June 9, 2011 by daveytrain1

[Guest Artie Bucco]

yeah,yeah and the grass is greener on the other side and a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush (except for greenies) and a stitch in time saves nine.

Don't be so gullible Artie ("I heard at least 2 afl people repeat this" - gee whiz must be correct)

I have also heard many people comment how a particular player is a totally different person off the field, quite often.

Your comments are pure poppycock, but if you are happy believing that then go ahead and delude yourself.

My comments are pure poppycock?

I'm still waiting for you to make a contribution of value.

It's always just sarcastic or demeaning jibes, but never offering much of an opinion.

What's it like there on the sidelines? Afraid to get into the game?

Anyway, still can't remember who it was, but they've been people involved in AFL coaching, whose opinion I respect a hell of a lot more than yours.

It's something I've taken notice of, and in quite a lot of cases it has proven to be true.

Maybe you're taking it a bit literally...

[Watt and Howe? 16]

Don't see why some people feel the need to attack other posters. We ALL want the same thing, We ALL go for the same team. Leave the hating for other clubs and GWS. BUT, please stop saying things are FACT (general comment, no sole posters in mind).

Edited June 9, 2011 by Watt and Howe?