MFC Training (Wednesday)

[Deeoldfart 7,800]

I'm wondering if the senior players were perhaps instructed to give the new guys a hard time? Something like what they do to new recruits in the army to break them down and make them easier to train perhaps? From this report it sounds like the new guys really got hammered both physically and psychologically today, and I can't imagine that that would have happened randomly in a well-run club. If senior players were doing that to the juniors off their own bat it would be more along the lines of bullying and we'd probably be seeing a pretty big push to eradicate it. From what we've heard at least two young guys copped pretty impressive sprays while another was (probably) hit hard enough to end his training session. Hope the coaches know what they're doing.

I had similar some thoughts Ralph. All about setting standards from day one, so that the recruits appreciate that they are now in the big league, and know what is expected at the highest level.

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OP

Thanks so much. Awesome report.

Edited December 8, 2010 by 45HG16
Baz, you don't need to quote the whole post.

[... 11]

Great report.

Whether or not Beamer did what was reported I don't think that leaders should be critical of others and attempting to make them feel down. Leadership is the opposite - praise and support. (Been on too many lovey dovey courses)

Feel pretty confident that Beamer is the calibre of bloke who'd have sorted it out after training. Don't mind hearing about a bit of white-line fever. There's plenty we don't hear about.

[Summer Blease 0]

Great report Bhima, loving the sound of Dan Nicholson.. sounds like he belongs already.

Not liking the spiting.

[e25 5]

I mentioned it elsewhere and it's easily accessible, but still worth mentioning again:

In BP's recap of the rookie draft he mentioned that Nicholson was engaged in some contested work in training, pitted against Frawley and he "did him".

The session was caught on film and he predicted it would end up on the club website at some stage.

A flanker that can beat big Chip?

I'm excited.

[Matt Demon 1,387]

Lets be honest, If Davis was getting a hard time In his first game Beamer would be the first over to stick up for the kid. He's a hot head get over it.. Anyone thats played football at any level knows you need a few of those sort.

[e25 5]

Yeah, spot on, just don't make them captain.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

I mentioned it elsewhere and it's easily accessible, but still worth mentioning again:

In BP's recap of the rookie draft he mentioned that Nicholson was engaged in some contested work in training, pitted against Frawley and he "did him".

The session was caught on film and he predicted it would end up on the club website at some stage.

A flanker that can beat big Chip?

I'm excited.

20 years old too, taking on an AA KPD

[wackojacko 25]

Great report enjoy reading about how were travelling. My only concern is shifting to Casey for the summer. I feel we have a good thing going at AAMI Park. No offence to anyone i couldnt care less if we sever ties with them. Too long of a drive yo get there for them I say.

Im ready for the abuse

[rpfc 27,590]

Great report enjoy reading about how were travelling. My only concern is shifting to Casey for the summer. I feel we have a good thing going at AAMI Park. No offence to anyone i couldnt care less if we sever ties with them. Too long of a drive yo get there for them I say.

Im ready for the abuse

Criticism isn't abuse.

That's a statement that could be put in a sticky thread i reckon...

We are at Casey for a reason.

And it ain't about training accessibility or facilities.

[Disco Demons 92]

I went through the list quickly. I think these players could have a big impact in the side this year if they could improve throughout this preseason.

1 Matthew Warnock

6 Matthew Bate

10 Cale Morton

12 Colin Sylvia

13 Jordie McKenzie

15 Ricky Petterd

16 Jack Grimes

19 Addam Maric

20 Colin Garland

24 Liam Jurrah

27 Jared Rivers

28 Joel Macdonald

33 Austin Wonaeamirri

34 Stefan Martin

39 Neville Jetta

42 Jake Spencer

46 Sam Blease

47 James Strauss

Edited December 8, 2010 by disco_demon

[e25 5]

What the hell does that list mean?

Scully & Trengove aren't even included.

Nor is Davey at first glance.

What is the point of it?

[e25 5]

Green?

Jamar?

Bennell?

[deeko 937]

I went through the list quickly. I think these players could have a big impact in the side this year if they could improve throughout this preseason.

1 Matthew Warnock

6 Matthew Bate

10 Cale Morton

12 Colin Sylvia

13 Jordie McKenzie

15 Ricky Petterd

16 Jack Grimes

19 Addam Maric

20 Colin Garland

24 Liam Jurrah

27 Jared Rivers

28 Joel Macdonald

33 Austin Wonaeamirri

34 Stefan Martin

39 Neville Jetta

42 Jake Spencer

46 Sam Blease

47 James Strauss

Thats most of the team mate listing players who already make a big impact in the side. I think priority one should be just getting the players like Wonna, Jurrah & Grimes through a full preseason who haven't before. I'd like to see some players like Blease, Tapscott & Gawn have any impact and just get on track!! Heres hoping some luck for the boys

[H_T 2,941]

^Thanks for the reports Bhima. Excellent.

I wouldn't be too concerned with Cook, probably had the wind knocked out of him. And as for Beamer, he's an aggressive player and one that reacts. He'd hate being shown up by a kid. Probably just wanted to put him in his place and give him what for - being a non-full on exercise. Most likely would have had calm words with him off the track if he had any leadership ambitions.

Pleasing to read about R.Campbell.

[Fork 'em 6,555]

Beamer wants his spot as bad as any-one , he can see whats coming with the youth and doesn't like getting shown up .

Play on .

[WonnaJurah 5]

at least it wasnt what Setanta did few years back , move on

[bing181 8,181]

Tapscott is one of the few players that continues to work away from the main group. He is a tank, very easy to spot on the training track. He was running pretty well and looks okay, I guess they don't want to take any chances after his first year was ruined with injuries.

Be interested to know what the situation is with Tapscott. He had that injury towards the end of the season with Casey, but thought he'd be over that now. It's just that with all these training reports, I don't think anyone has yet mentioned that he was working with the main group, so wondering what's going on. Maybe just management, but he's one I was kind of hoping would be ready to "step up".

[Crackers 67]

The drills he had been doing included tackling and were fairly physical. It is possible he took a hit from a bigger player and it shook him up. As I said, there was a bit of aggro out there and most of the younger blokes were under pressure and received the odd hard word from more senior players. I'm pretty sure that after about ten mins of sitting down one of the trainers gave him some tablets (some sort of pain killers?). Either way he didn't resume training and sat for a long time looking pretty down right beside the training group. I didn't see him after that. I couldn't give you any further information.

thanks for teh detailed update. Perhaps he was just shot from the lift in intensity and he got some glucose/hydration tablets.

[Crackers 67]

I'm wondering if the senior players were perhaps instructed to give the new guys a hard time? Something like what they do to new recruits in the army to break them down and make them easier to train perhaps? From this report it sounds like the new guys really got hammered both physically and psychologically today, and I can't imagine that that would have happened randomly in a well-run club. If senior players were doing that to the juniors off their own bat it would be more along the lines of bullying and we'd probably be seeing a pretty big push to eradicate it. From what we've heard at least two young guys copped pretty impressive sprays while another was (probably) hit hard enough to end his training session. Hope the coaches know what they're doing.

Maybe the leadership group don't want stay 12th on the ladder adn won't to continue to improve they have decided to make a pact to try to raise the standards. Telling the young guys what is good enougha and what isn't a bad thing.

[Crackers 67]

I'm wondering if the senior players were perhaps instructed to give the new guys a hard time? Something like what they do to new recruits in the army to break them down and make them easier to train perhaps? From this report it sounds like the new guys really got hammered both physically and psychologically today, and I can't imagine that that would have happened randomly in a well-run club. If senior players were doing that to the juniors off their own bat it would be more along the lines of bullying and we'd probably be seeing a pretty big push to eradicate it. From what we've heard at least two young guys copped pretty impressive sprays while another was (probably) hit hard enough to end his training session. Hope the coaches know what they're doing.

Maybe the leadership group don't want stay 12th on the ladder adn won't to continue to improve they have decided to make a pact to try to raise the standards. Telling the young guys what is good enougha and what isn't a bad thing.

[GolfBoyPro 43]

Bhima, these reports are gold!!! Even better than the club writing a report, because you dont have to beat around the bush with what you write. And you are pretty good at just writing what you see.

How do you see the coaches performing? Especially Todd Viney, how is he fitting in?

[DirtyDees DDC 171]

Be interested to know what the situation is with Tapscott. He had that injury towards the end of the season with Casey, but thought he'd be over that now. It's just that with all these training reports, I don't think anyone has yet mentioned that he was working with the main group, so wondering what's going on. Maybe just management, but he's one I was kind of hoping would be ready to "step up".

At least he's training - that's better news than last pre season where he was out for 4 months with the hip injury. An earlier report in October this year suggested he wasn't satisfied with the penetration in his kicking. He also copped a shoulder injury in our last game at Casey. He was running with the main group on 19 November but spent most of his time with the 'graduated return-to-work' group. Sounds like the club is just being cautious.

The participation rate seems to be much better at this stage compared to December 2009 (touch wood). The only question marks in Bhima's report were Gysberts and Bail. Gysberts was also in the 'GRTW' group on 19 November while Bail was restricted to walking the boundary line. Perhaps he still has issues with the quad injury from last season.

This time last year we lost Wonna with a hamstring and Jurrah had a hand injury; Blease and every ruckman except Martin was on a modified or very resticted training programme; Watts was in and out with his back, and Garland was just out.

Be interesting to see them this Friday afternoon at Casey. Cam Schwab notes that the MFC grew out of a stadium, not a suburb, and we don't have the supporter base location that exists with the likes of Essendon, Hawthorn and Geelong. There are roughly 3 growth corridors in Melbourne; one that goes out to Craigieburn; one thru the Werribee area, and one through Cranbourne and Pakenham. All these regions have lots of young families with kids, and we have the lowest supporter base amongst kids in the league. At the moment we need them more than they need us, but hopefully we can build a supporter base like the Saints have done with the Frankston - Moorabbin region. Setting up a link with Casey is a no - brainer.

It's also interesting to note the reaction to words like 'spitting' and 'tears' in the reports. I'mot concerned provided it's addressed quickly. We have 46 guys fighting for 22 positions so it's not a tea party. They will cop much worse treatment when they go to Adelaide oval or Subiaco.

[Red Sox 2]

At least he's training - that's better news than last pre season where he was out for 4 months with the hip injury. An earlier report in October this year suggested he wasn't satisfied with the penetration in his kicking. He also copped a shoulder injury in our last game at Casey. He was running with the main group on 19 November but spent most of his time with the 'graduated return-to-work' group. Sounds like the club is just being cautious.

The participation rate seems to be much better at this stage compared to December 2009 (touch wood). The only question marks in Bhima's report were Gysberts and Bail. Gysberts was also in the 'GRTW' group on 19 November while Bail was restricted to walking the boundary line. Perhaps he still has issues with the quad injury from last season.

This time last year we lost Wonna with a hamstring and Jurrah had a hand injury; Blease and every ruckman except Martin was on a modified or very resticted training programme; Watts was in and out with his back, and Garland was just out.

Be interesting to see them this Friday afternoon at Casey. Cam Schwab notes that the MFC grew out of a stadium, not a suburb, and we don't have the supporter base location that exists with the likes of Essendon, Hawthorn and Geelong. There are roughly 3 growth corridors in Melbourne; one that goes out to Craigieburn; one thru the Werribee area, and one through Cranbourne and Pakenham. All these regions have lots of young families with kids, and we have the lowest supporter base amongst kids in the league. At the moment we need them more than they need us, but hopefully we can build a supporter base like the Saints have done with the Frankston - Moorabbin region. Setting up a link with Casey is a no - brainer.

It's also interesting to note the reaction to words like 'spitting' and 'tears' in the reports. I'mot concerned provided it's addressed quickly. We have 46 guys fighting for 22 positions so it's not a tea party. They will cop much worse treatment when they go to Adelaide oval or Subiaco.

Good post DD DDC. Would love to just be a team at the G, even being in the Sth East but it is very important we grow that supporter base.

Success will help and bring on more followers, but if we can consolidate in an area such as this, while successful, it may well give us a larger supporter base well into the future.

Edited December 8, 2010 by Demon Hill

[old dee 22,946]

^Thanks for the reports Bhima. Excellent.

I wouldn't be too concerned with Cook, probably had the wind knocked out of him. And as for Beamer, he's an aggressive player and one that reacts. He'd hate being shown up by a kid. Probably just wanted to put him in his place and give him what for - being a non-full on exercise. Most likely would have had calm words with him off the track if he had any leadership ambitions.

Pleasing to read about R.Campbell.

I agree with you HT, we need a bit more mongrel in our side.

All the really good sides have at least one [censored].

I am a little tired of all the "nice boys" at the Dees

I would like a bit more agro on the field if that is Moloney so be it.