Injury List - Round 22

[alpha33 304]

The official list (Daniel Hughes and Jordie McKenzie might unofficially be on the list too!)

Michael Newton (Achilles) test 

Ricky Petterd (groin) test  

Matthew Whelan (hamstring) test 

Matthew Bate (ribs) 1 week  

Simon Buckley (hip) 1 week

Rohan Bail (quad) 2 - 3 weeks  

Rhys Healey (hamstring) 3 weeks

Daniel Bell (shoulder) season

Sam Blease (leg) season  

Cameron Bruce (wrist) season 

Colin Garland (leg) season 

Brad Green (wrist) season

Jack Grimes (hip) season

Addam Maric (shoulder) season 

John Meesen (foot) season 

James Strauss (shoulder) season

Matthew Warnock (ankle) season 

Austin Wonaeamirri (knee) season

[Mondê 525]

The official list (Daniel Hughes and Jordie McKenzie might unofficially be on the list too!)

Michael Newton (Achilles) test

Ricky Petterd (groin) test

Matthew Whelan (hamstring) test

Matthew Bate (ribs) 1 week

Simon Buckley (hip) 1 week

Jack Grimes (hip) 1-2 weeks

Rohan Bail (quad) 2 - 3 weeks

Rhys Healey (hamstring) 3 weeks

Daniel Bell (shoulder) season

Sam Blease (leg) season

Cameron Bruce (wrist) season

Colin Garland (leg) season

Brad Green (wrist) season

Jack Grimes (hip) season

Addam Maric (shoulder) season

John Meesen (foot) season

James Strauss (shoulder) season

Matthew Warnock (ankle) season

Austin Wonaeamirri (knee) season

I wish we had two Jack Grimes', one in the midfield and one in the backline! On a more serious note, shame about Bate...had a solid season. Hopefully all the injured boys can have a big pre season, especially Blease and Straussy.

Edited August 25, 2009 by Deemissioner

[Guest Rojik of the Arctic]

This can't happen again next season. Enough is enough! If it looks like this next year we need to sack everybody connected to fitness and recovery.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

This can't happen again next season. Enough is enough! If it looks like this next year we need to sack everybody connected to fitness and recovery.

The way the comp is now, how even sides are, it seems like injury management has a bigger say in your ladder position than a lot of factors if you look at the stats.

I could be wrong, but our current group of medicos and fitness guys, BB included, have been there three years? Maybe more? If it happens again next year you have to question the methods. It's getting a bit silly.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

If it looks like this next year we need to sack everybody connected to fitness and recovery.

Before you light your torch, it would be best to actually understand why the injuries occurred then take appropriate action.

Put the firing squad on hold.

[brey9186 102]

i think 7 at the most of those injurys are related to the "fitness" guys, and even then, all 7 cannot be directly attributed to them.

[Bagdana 58]

I would have thought our players could have been put into two categories. Either "test" or "season".

I don't think our finals chances are looking to flash.

[mauriesy 7,182]

Anyway, there's only a handful of injuries in that list that are soft tissue. The rest are largely collision injuries, including broken bones. How do you expect the 'fitness guys' can stop that?

Unless you think BB should have followed Sam Blease around at school telling him what not to do.

[Roost It 1,434]

I wish we had two Jack Grimes', one in the midfield and one in the backline! On a more serious note, shame about Bate...had a solid season. Hopefully all the injured boys can have a big pre season, especially Blease and Straussy.

we do one of them is called James Strauss that's all.

[1964nowMORE 480]

With our philosphy of 'no risk' on injuries at present the list is bigger than other Clubs, Geelong may have 7-8 if a similar philosphy was followed - Chapman, Ottens and Johnson good examples of that, they'd be listed as "season" if Demons.

Another piece may be our list if so big due to the younger bodies not standing up to full AFL season - Swans, Saints have been low on injuries but also have very seasoned AFL footballers who learn to manage and adapt.

In 2011-13 we really need Swans/Saints style management and luck!

[rpfc 28,073]

This can't happen again next season. Enough is enough! If it looks like this next year we need to sack everybody connected to fitness and recovery.

They should have made Matty Bate stretch his ribs before playing.

Idiots...

[H_T 3,036]

This can't happen again next season. Enough is enough! If it looks like this next year we need to sack everybody connected to fitness and recovery.

Yeah right.....and it's their fault the list is what it is...!!

[Doggo 32]

The official list (Daniel Hughes and Jordie McKenzie might unofficially be on the list too!)

Michael Newton (Achilles) test 

Ricky Petterd (groin) test  

Matthew Whelan (hamstring) test 

Matthew Bate (ribs) 1 week  

Simon Buckley (hip) 1 week

Rohan Bail (quad) 2 - 3 weeks  

Rhys Healey (hamstring) 3 weeks

Daniel Bell (shoulder) season

Sam Blease (leg) season  

Cameron Bruce (wrist) season 

Colin Garland (leg) season 

Brad Green (wrist) season

Jack Grimes (hip) season

Addam Maric (shoulder) season 

John Meesen (foot) season 

James Strauss (shoulder) season

Matthew Warnock (ankle) season 

Austin Wonaeamirri (knee) season

Could build a reasonable side out of that list.

B: Bell, Warnock, Whelan,

HB: Strauss, Garland, Grimes

C: McKenzie, Bruce, Blease

HF: Hughes, Bate, Petterd

F: Wona, Newton, Maric

Foll: Meesen, Green, Buckley

INT: Bail, Healey

[Carn dees 108]

Since when did bate get injured.

[Blistering 538]

Could build a reasonable side out of that list.

B: Bell, Warnock, Whelan,

HB: Strauss, Garland, Grimes

C: McKenzie, Bruce, Blease

HF: Hughes, Bate, Petterd

F: Wona, Newton, Maric

Foll: Meesen, Green, Buckley

INT: Bail, Healey

You can add Jack Watts since he's not available due to studies.

[Redleg 40,360]

Since when did bate get injured.

Since last saturday.

[Guest Rojik of the Arctic]

You lot can snigger and make smartarse comments all you want but if it looks like that in (say) Round 15 next year then we have a major problem that all the bloody tanking and draft picks you could dream of won't fix.

[monoccular 17,345]

You lot can snigger and make smartarse comments all you want but if it looks like that in (say) Round 15 next year then we have a major problem that all the bloody tanking and draft picks you could dream of won't fix.

rojik or whatever - have a look at Collingwood's injury list and have a guess why they are on fire at present.

Have a look at Geelong's 2007, Hawthorn's 2008 and see how injuries can shape, or maybe rather destroy, a season.

[Guest Rojik of the Arctic]

rojik or whatever - have a look at Collingwood's injury list and have a guess why they are on fire at present.

Have a look at Geelong's 2007, Hawthorn's 2008 and see how injuries can shape, or maybe rather destroy, a season.

But that is my point. It's no good having a team of talent that are watching the game on the TV. This year I will treat as a one off but if it is happening again next year we have serious problems. I'm sick of seeing good talent come to the club and watching it leave unfulfilled because of injury. Sure bad luck plays a part but so does having the proper fitness and recovery team.

[Rogue 585]

Matthew Whelan (hamstring) test 

Whelan's test better be a heart rate monitor.

If he's alive he passes.

[deanox 9,770]

good call rouge. its not like he has to front up next week, and its not like it matters if we win the game. even if he only plays short bursts we should get him to the 150.

edit: although rouge, is there any chance wheelan would be interested in sitting out a week getting him fit to contest the vfl finals with casey?

Edited August 26, 2009 by deanox

[H_T 3,036]

Whelan's test better be a heart rate monitor.

If he's alive he passes.

Just let him take the field, then take him off when necessary and play with 3 on the interchange - if injury persists. It's not as if we haven't done that all year. Then play him in the VFL finals.

Get him to the 150.

[diesel 420]

Before you light your torch, it would be best to actually understand why the injuries occurred then take appropriate action.

Put the firing squad on hold.

mmmm, this stuff gets reviewed at the end of every year. As to what action? No doubt we have blokes who COULD play. Collingwood have only 2 injuries going into the finals, this is where we need to be when we are challenging.

[pringle 42]

The debate about how many and which injuries might be able to be attributed to the fitness staff is an interesting one. It is really hard to say, but I can try to add a medical perspective.

Of the injury list quoted above, the following I can (almost certainly) confirm have NOTHING to do with fitness/medical staff:

Matthew Bate (ribs) 1 week

Daniel Bell (shoulder) season

Sam Blease (leg) season

Cameron Bruce (wrist) season

Brad Green (wrist) season

Addam Maric (shoulder) season

James Strauss (shoulder) season

Matthew Warnock (ankle) season

The following have injuries that may be preventable, but without knowing the exact nature of the injury, I can only guess at preventable factors that may have contributed: (I use one example here to show how medical/fitness staff could help prevent any given injury)

Simon Buckley (hip) 1 week

Colin Garland (foot) season - stress fracture potentially preventable by determining the player's specific foot and lower-limb structural and biomechanical deficiencies. Subsequently could: a) fit more appropriate training shoe or fit appropriate shoe orthotic (podiatrist/orthotist), b ) correct running technique by specific running instruction (running coach) c) strengthen specific muscle groups to improve biomechanics and reduce stress/impact through the specific part of the foot that is involved (strength training coach) d) loosening muscle groups that are tight and contributing to poor biomechanics (physiotherapists/trainers/strength and conditioning).

Jack Grimes (hip) season

John Meesen (foot) season

Austin Wonaeamirri (knee) season

The final group have injuries that, whilst potentially preventable, also have an element of 'unavoidability' in participants of a high intensity sport like AFL football:

Michael Newton (Achilles) test

Ricky Petterd (groin) test

Matthew Whelan (hamstring) test

Rohan Bail (quad) 2 - 3 weeks

Rhys Healey (hamstring) 3 weeks

The example I gave in group 2 (Garland) may help explain why I think we suffer more injuries than (for argument's sake) Collingwood, who have squillions of $$$ and the state of the art Lexus Center at their disposal. This richer AFL club can afford to buy the latest equipment (training and testing) amd employ many more, and probably attract (with $$) better fitness and medical science staff than us. Therefore, they can afford to regularly monitor player loads and deficiencies with methods such as filming videos, recording measurements, taking blood and aerobic tests, determining player factors that contribute to injury (fatigue levels, muscle tighness etc.) compared with a poor club like us. The list goes on and I can't even begin to explain how much a football club could spend on this type of thing if they wanted to. They can also afford additional luxuries such as chefs to cook nutritional meals, dieticians, psychologists, massage staff, better weights machines, hyperbaric chambers, altitude training rooms, swimming pools and spas, ice baths, saunas, whirlpools, yoga instructors, pilates, data entry and analysis computers/machines, pathology testing systems, ultrasound, physio treatment modalities, etc. etc. etc. In all likelihood, we're probably not much more advanced than a VFL club (where I work and which has a decent team of medical and fitness staff), whilst Collingwood has specific sports science labs and offices in their shiny facility.

Down at the Junction oval, I know for a fact that you won't find anything like that, and nothing like this exist at Casey Fields as yet. There is no way we can compete on this front and as long as this is the case, I think we will continue to see the same results. When people talk about the gap in football department spending, this is what they mean. It is not just money spent on coaches, but money spent on obtaining the best equipment and most experienced people in EVERY field to gain the edge. I'm sure our main guys are not too shabby and highly qualified, but their hands are likely tied by a lack of resources and equipment and a lack of support staff.

And to make matters worse, Collingwood will continue to get richer and we will continue to get poorer, because the fixture is rigged to make this happen. An even playing field? A 'socialist' AFL? I think not!!! We're not quite the EPL, but I predict we'll get there one day. Melbourne, North and Footscray will be Leeds, Aston Villa and Stoke, whilst Collingwood, West Coast and Adelaide will be Man United, Chelsea and Liverpool...

Edited August 28, 2009 by pringle

[Redleg 40,360]

The debate about how many and which injuries might be able to be attributed to the fitness staff is an interesting one. It is really hard to say, but I can try to add a medical perspective.

Of the injury list quoted above, the following I can (almost certainly) confirm have NOTHING to do with fitness/medical staff:

Matthew Bate (ribs) 1 week

Daniel Bell (shoulder) season

Sam Blease (leg) season

Cameron Bruce (wrist) season

Brad Green (wrist) season

Addam Maric (shoulder) season

James Strauss (shoulder) season

Matthew Warnock (ankle) season

The following have injuries that may be preventable, but without knowing the exact nature of the injury, I can only guess at preventable factors that may have contributed: (I use one example here to show how medical/fitness staff could help prevent any given injury)

Simon Buckley (hip) 1 week

Colin Garland (foot) season - stress fracture potentially preventable by determining the player's specific foot and lower-limb structural and biomechanical deficiencies. Subsequently could: a) fit more appropriate training shoe or fit appropriate shoe orthotic (podiatrist/orthotist), B) correct running technique by specific running instruction (running coach) c) strengthen specific muscle groups to improve biomechanics and reduce stress/impact through the specific part of the foot that is involved (strength training coach) d) loosening muscle groups that are tight and contributing to poor biomechanics (physiotherapists/trainers/strength and conditioning).

Jack Grimes (hip) season

John Meesen (foot) season

Austin Wonaeamirri (knee) season

The final group have injuries that, whilst potentially preventable, also have an element of 'unavoidability' in participants of a high intensity sport like AFL football:

Michael Newton (Achilles) test

Ricky Petterd (groin) test

Matthew Whelan (hamstring) test

Rohan Bail (quad) 2 - 3 weeks

Rhys Healey (hamstring) 3 weeks

The example I gave in group 2 (Garland) may help explain why I think we suffer more injuries than (for argument's sake) Collingwood, who have squillions of $$$ and the state of the art Lexus Center at their disposal. This richer AFL club can afford to buy the latest equipment (training and testing) amd employ many more, and probably attract (with $$) better fitness and medical science staff than us. Therefore, they can afford to regularly monitor player loads and deficiencies with methods such as filming videos, recording measurements, taking blood and aerobic tests, determining player factors that contribute to injury (fatigue levels, muscle tighness etc.) compared with a poor club like us. The list goes on and I can't even begin to explain how much a football club could spend on this type of thing if they wanted to. They can also afford additional luxuries such as chefs to cook nutritional meals, dieticians, psychologists, massage staff, better weights machines, hyperbaric chambers, altitude training rooms, swimming pools and spas, ice baths, saunas, whirlpools, yoga instructors, pilates, data entry and analysis computers/machines, pathology testing systems, ultrasound, physio treatment modalities, etc. etc. etc. In all likelihood, we're probably not much more advanced than a VFL club (where I work and which has a decent team of medical and fitness staff), whilst Collingwood has specific sports science labs and offices in their shiny facility.

Down at the Junction oval, I know for a fact that you won't find anything like that, and nothing like this exist at Casey Fields as yet. There is no way we can compete on this front and as long as this is the case, I think we will continue to see the same results. When people talk about the gap in football department spending, this is what they mean. It is not just money spent on coaches, but money spent on obtaining the best equipment and most experienced people in EVERY field to gain the edge. I'm sure our main guys are not too shabby and highly qualified, but their hands are likely tied by a lack of resources and equipment and a lack of support staff.

And to make matters worse, Collingwood will continue to get richer and we will continue to get poorer, because the fixture is rigged to make this happen. An even playing field? A 'socialist' AFL? I think not!!! We're not quite the EPL, but I predict we'll get there one day. Melbourne, North and Footscray will be Leeds, Aston Villa and Stoke, whilst Collingwood, West Coast and Adelaide will be Man United, Chelsea and Liverpool...

Good post Pringle. However, even with all of the money that Collingwood has, it still gets down to luck with many of our injured players. Breaking your leg in the schoolyard like Blease or breaking bones in games can't be helped by the money, it is just plain bad luck. Hopefully in the future ours will get better.