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I have been posting on this site for 20+ years, and this place has never been more toxic. Embarrassing to see this level of drivel, chest beating and pointless point scoring. The culture at our club may not be great, but it's probably better than the culture that's creeped into this place from the same usual suspects, who think they have the right to belittle others and repeat the same rubbish over and over and over again. The moderators do their best, but I think everyone here is an adult (or should be) and therefore should take responsibility for their own behaviours. Hiding behind a screen, does not give you the right to be a gigantic asshat.33 points
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The concern recently from an assistant coach is whether Jefferson has that fierce competitive desire, and will do whatever it takes to be successful. He also shares the same concerns regarding Verrall & Adams. He said that Kenterfield has that quality in spades and if he doesn’t succeed, it won’t be for lack of fierce effort.28 points
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I should also say he said the young boy Brown, is a ripper to train and will do whatever it takes!!25 points
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According to Wikipedia India averages the most derailments in the world. Demonland must be closing in.22 points
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Any Oliver Trade Rumours in this thread? Or we just going to keep workshopping how to get along on a footy forum?20 points
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“Toxic” is such an overused word that really has no substance. It gets thrown around way too often. The club has faced relentless scrutiny from the media of late; the future of our biggest stars has been questioned, the President (who we hadn’t heard from in months) spoke to the media and resigned shortly after. The list goes on. People join and post on here because they’re (predominantly) diehard fans. When things aren’t going well (and even when the club is kicking goals), people come on here to vent, give their opinion, read other posters opinions and provide a comment. There’s naturally going to be butting of heads. If you can’t handle your opinions or comments being questioned, disagreed with or challenged, perhaps an online forum full of passionate fans just isn’t for you.17 points
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Impressed during pre-season training, outperforming some of our seasoned forwards. Started the year well in the Coates league before an injury. Never kicked on upon his return. His raw talent will see the club find a spot for him. Plays like Kyle Langford.11 points
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Tomlinson was probably the only legitimate depth player we had this year. Did an adequate job when selected, but was a whipping boy of the match committee. If we intend playing Petty/Turner up forward, then we have no key back depth. I've given up understanding our list management.10 points
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We’re not being singled out. We were simply providing the most clickable content at the time. This on top of the fact it’s believed we’ve underperformed which is hardly an outrageous claim. People need to get over this “the media only pick on poor old Melbourne”10 points
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No you didn't. You managed to compile each and every scurrilous rumour, whether supported by evidence or not, many of them promulgated by disaffected people with an axe to grind, whether or not they are potentially defamatory, whether or not they are over two years old - no, Dr G, you didn't miss anything. Congratulations. With supporters like you, who needs opponents.10 points
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This idea that you are a better fan because you unquestioningly support the board or admin or the culture of the club is rubbish and it's tedious.9 points
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Re: Sharp - My Brisbane supporting mate said the following; I think he’s an AFL standard player who is probably 23rd-28th in line for a spot in our line up. Lions rate him massively, best runner at the club. Think you’re getting a good one tbh. Sharp played a handful of games and was emergency for just about every other one in the last 2-3 years. Consistently just about our best VFL player. Just victim of our list. He’s a winger for sure, but can play inside. Surprisingly tough. Query is on his kicking but it isn’t terrible.9 points
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I don't slag off at everything, I've applauded the club over recent years and backed Goodwin to the hilt during 2020 when many wanted him gone. I did waver briefly in that 2020 offseason but took a "wait and see" attitude to 2021 which worked out well. I've often had "discussions" on here with others (won't name them) who were ready to blow the place up because success didn't come along quick enough based on how the process was playing out and could see we were on the right track despite those results not coming quick enough. I've also said many times on here that this administration/coaches have the runs on the board and deserve to be given the benefit of the doubt. Well to me, those doubts are now becoming reality and the ongoing leaks and issues out of the club mean those in charge need to be held to account. Things can keep on keeping on as they are but success won't happen if that's the way we want to let things play out. When the "cultural issues" (can't say more due to DL policy) are so prevalent, when the performance dips, when key players want out of the club, when the club is consistently leaking to the media - questions need to be asked about the current administration and leadership. It's laughable to say I'm the kind of supporter who is negative for negatives sake, I've been posting here for probably close to 15 years (🤯) I was very negative during the Neeld/Schwab years, was far more positive during the Roos/Jackson/Goodwin years and even up until late last year. What has happened over the last 18 months (not just onfield results) is alarming for those who want and expect the club to have good solid governance and leadership that will lay a foundation for sustained success.9 points
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Correct, but isn't it also possible to have culture issues while having success? There wouldn't be many who thought the 2006 West Coast side didn't have issues. Cultural issues can be in the eye of the beholder as it's more 'the way we do things round here' than a set guide handed out to every club. Unfortunately there have been a lot of these events now, plenty of media beat ups but a lot of factual incidents too and on balance people are probably right to be questioning our culture. No culture is perfect though either, Simon Goodwin has said that it is an ongoing process. However I do think at some point we need to realise that not everything written about us is a scripted conspiracy. We need to improve.9 points
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I'm saying the culture is not as great as the club wants to think it is. To be honest I don't really care about those other clubs but yes, the culture of Collingwood in 2017 was a disaster too. Who was CEO there at the time? Keep your head in the sand Katrina, the club loves supporters like you who forgive every indiscretion of the club and every poor administrator we've had, supporters who clap the team off when 10 goals down at half time. I want to see a successful MFC, that doesn't happen when you sweep massive issues under the rug and don't hold those in charge to account.9 points
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So you're going to write off the culture of the entire club because one player was stupid enough to take drugs. Were these questions asked about Collingwood when 17 players were investigated in 2017? Was Western Bulldogs questioned about their culture around Bailey Smith? Collingwood last year with Ginnivan, who then when on to threaten to revenge porn the player who dobbed him in? Or when some of their players made misogynistic Tiktoks? Were Brisbane questioned about their culture when half their team sent explicit texts to each others' partners when they were in Vegas? Were Port questioned about their culture when one of their players, high as a kite, thought he could fly and jumped to his dealth from a high rise balcony? Are Essendon being questioned about their culture when Stringer was caught with gangland figures? Or GWS now while half their side is being suspended for inappropriate behaviour on end of season trip?Everything else you've cited there is based on rumour. Do you want to know why we didn't hear from Roffey for months? She was in hospital with COVID. She told me that herself. So, dear Mr Gonzo, tell me, why is Melbourne the only one being singled out?9 points
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Now that it's all settling down, I wonder will some of us come to to the view that Petracca is deserving of enormous respect and thanks. Disruptive, yes - but showing the way; doing what needed to be done. What MFC needed. Come the start of next season, we will find out maybe In the first couple of hundred years of Christianity there was a debate about governance and purpose - some "authorities" were appointed by the community's recognised leaders, and some other leaders were recognised as having been gifted by God and therefore as having the right to leadership. Institutional as against charismatic leadership. In time the institutional won, and the rest is history... Petracca has charismatic gifts. He has spoken about the state he was in as he walked back to the middle after his dribbler goal in the Grand Final. We all have the look on his face in that moment etched into our memories. The whatever-it-was in the split second that made him go for the dribbler - it rolled across the line at the exact centre mark of the goal line. I was there - in context of the match this was pure inspiration, something totally off the show. Pure instinct - and so imaginatively powerful. Way beyond the six points it got us. Do I remember hearing that with a minute to go in the third, the story was "shut it down" and Clarry and Petracca said "nah - go for it!" ? At the time, sitting in the stands, there was a feeling like in Greek tragedy of something huge and inevitable taking hold - and Petracca rose with it - even, was a huge part of it being lifted into view. He certainly was then and may be regularly tuned in and operating above the institutional default. Certainly he's impatient for greatness, and I think you could fairly say he's connected to purpose more so than the pragmatic norms-driven solid citizens. There's a place for the rules-breaker. They can smash everything, I know, but they can also release the shackles that lets better through. Post-Maynard and the test-case that so publicly displayed the fundamental dishonesty in the AFL's money-driven double-standards, the shake-up of the Melbourne Footy Club resulting from the public dissatisfaction of Petracca - this is a genuinely interesting drama way beyond the reach of the corrupt AFL. Potentially, it could launch the club back into contention with a break-out re-stating of priorities. If it does, our gratitude to Petracca will be inestimable. Like it was in that best of all days in Perth. TIME TO Suspend disbelief, I reckon - faith may be going to get its reward. The hard work Petracca is putting in looks pretty good to me. He looks exactly like he did in Perth - driven, with no limits holding him. So I'm genuinely interested to see what he's got in 2025. There's a big story here.9 points
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Andrew Mackie is the new Dedoro. I understand that Smith is out of contract but when you lure a player over the course of 18 months and have them commit to your club, it is incumbent on them to work the deal. Yes you want to get the best deal possible for your club, but the visible lack of effort to deal other assets, be it players, current year picks or future picks is embarrassing. Personally I'm proud that the Dees are creative and look at getting their deals completed early. Sometimes we pay overs, other times we get a break because we're easy to deal with. Swings and roundabouts and I know which side of the coin I'd like to be associated with.7 points
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Tarau's aerial work in his highlights was super impressive - pulling in contested marks from positions where by rights he shouldn't have been able to.7 points
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Jefferson was a needs based selection in a weak draft. He has the natural ability, worth a punt. Verrall was a rookie, Adams a later selection, they're gonna have their flaws.7 points
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The assistant coach is spot on imo. It does make you wonder why all three were recruited when being highly competitive is kind of non-negotiable to succeed at the highest level. It's also why when I look at a draft prospect like Armstrong I don't get the fierce competitor vibe. Tarau on the other hand looks to have it in spades7 points
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so far this thread has succeeded in getting grandmaster flash and the furious five AND britney spears stuck in my head7 points
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I second those saying that things have got particularly unpleasant on here the last few months. There are a couple of posters with a pathological desire to always be ‘right’. It shows such a complete disregard for almost everyone else who uses this site when they chase each other across threads arguing the same points, or take an opposing view because someone had the audacity to challenge their opinion at one point. And if those users think we don’t see the baiting that goes on most of us do, and it’s boring and immature. I read a fascinating statistic about social media (of which Demonland is part of) this week. 90% of content is posted by less than 20% of users. Which means somewhere in the vicinity of 70% of opinion goes unheard, and most likely fills the middle ground. Essentially what I’m saying is if you’ve made your point trust that it’s been read, and move on and leave some space for other ideas. I love this place and value it enormously, but I wish it was more fun, more conversational, and we could all be less rigid.7 points
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To add to that, you only have to look at our record when Tomlinson played over the last couple of seasons. Between 2021 and 2023 he played in 21 wins and 5 losses.7 points
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I’m in the cheer squad, but I do other things on a voluntary basis as well. I’ve served in committees, I was involved for example with the working parties on the constitutional reforms a couple of years back, and through that got to know David Rennick. Any member can get involved in doing these things, it’s a matter of getting involved. But yes, it has afforded me the opportunity to work with and get to know people in the club. Not sure what is so hard about that to fathom.7 points
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Well, if Caitlin and Tam are telling us it’s the best workplace ever, who are we to argue??7 points
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It's never what you say, but how you say it. Differing of opinions is healthy, natural and completely fine. As is venting. But it says more about you, if you feel the need to constantly attack, belittle and railroad the opinions of others (not you personally), than it does about those who feel fed up with it.6 points
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You're right, it is normal for a player to be investigated by SIA for trafficking, other players to be implicated based on the messages found on his phone, a star player to go off the rails, another star player wanting out, players punching on in public, multiple leaks coming out of the club, a President stepping down after a disastrous radio interview after hearing not a peep for months, multiple court cases ongoing some with former administrators, serious allegations about the coaches behaviour in public and with the playing group - did I miss anything?6 points
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I hope not - his best attribute is his speed and that may build into midfielder-like ‘drive from stoppage’ that makes it palatable to lose CP5 or CO13. If he was ‘QB’ that puts him behind the stoppage and behind the ball with little room to run and move into. Bowey and Salem are perfectly able to do that and get the ball out of May’s ‘Hands of Molasses and Long Kicks to the Left’…6 points
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In 2020 the club told ANB to look around. He was a hard worker and well liked but was fumbly work the ball and unreliable He turned his game around and became a huge mainstay of the team. Sharp has a blueprint of how ANB plays and along with Langdon as a mentor and some'hurt' at missing a GF could well hit his best in the next few years6 points
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If Sharp can mature and develop into the ANB mold, then I think we've done well out of trading ANB to the Crows. Although I always saw early glimpses of potential in ANB, he didn't really start hitting his straps as an AFL footballer consistently until he had around 4 or 5 seasons under his belt. Alot of that development work has been done with Sharp and if he can make the grade, then I like that we're continuing to rejuvenate the age profile of our list, without bottoming out and/or ending up with a glut of aging starts that would set us up for a big fall in the future.6 points
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Good article by Robbo in the HS. Mark Robinson: In the professional era, Clayton Oliver needs to accept he’ll be a Demon in 2025 The Dees have walked a tightrope with Clayton Oliver and he can whinge and moan if he wants about a failed trade, but he must be ready to give his best to the Dees in 2025, writes Mark Robinson. Footy changed for many of us when Alastair Clarkson handballed two club greats – Sam Mitchell and Jordan Lewis – to other clubs at the end of the Hawks’ dynasty. The four-time premiership heroes became commodities and they were no longer needed by Hawthorn. With comforting words from Clarkson, it was basically off you go lads, thanks for everything. Professionalism has grown year-on-year in this billion-dollar industry, but this was a different kind of professionalism. This was a ruthless business decision from a club looking after its best interests. The romanticism of being a one-club player, and all those lovey-dovey words such as loyalty, camaraderie, integrity, respect and trust, didn’t mean much in the end. Clubs do what they have to do – in their best interests. Which brings us to Clayton Oliver. I’m bored of the Oliver headlines generated by certain media people – presumably having spoken to Oliver’s management – wanting the football world to feel sorry for the Melbourne midfielder. Oh, Oliver doesn’t want to be there and wants to go to Geelong. He will take a pay cut. And he’s cleaned out his locker. All because he’s upset because the club decided to shop him. Well, boo hoo. I find it difficult to feel sorry for Clayton Oliver. He’s got mental health woes, sure, but find someone in this world who hasn’t. That’s not being dismissive of Oliver’s issues, but it is the reality for everyone, for mental health is a national epidemic. Oliver’s may be extreme, but at the same time, he has extremely high-level care and assistance available to help him. For sure, Melbourne has had its challenges dealing with real-world problems in the cocoon world of AFL, but those challenges, in part, have been delivered on a platter by Oliver. That’s not sheeting home all of Melbourne’s off-field drama to him, but there is a question to be asked: Did the bad culture influence Oliver or did Oliver help bring the bad culture? The Demons have walked a tightrope with the 27-year-old for some time. Stupidly, they put him on a bumper deal that pays him $1.3 million per year when they were aware of his mental distress. His volcanic off-field behaviour may have come later. For at least two years now, Melbourne has tried to help him. Medically and psychologically. They have cuddled him and cared for him. They have forgiven him and they encouraged him and they have also eyeballed him. In turn, Oliver has let himself and the club down, although it must be said the Demons are thrilled with the maturity of Oliver throughout the year. Clearly, there’s people at Melbourne who wanted to trade him. And to think chief executive Gary Pert went lone wolf is laughable. And there’s people at Melbourne who don’t want to give up on him and they include the club’s stand-in president Brad Green. The fact is Melbourne shopped him. They let it be known that he was gettable if the price was right. As yet, there are no takers. And there won’t be this trade period. Is it any surprise that the Demons were open to the idea? They fluffed it by telling pork pies at the start of trade week, but other than that, they haven’t done too much wrong. Everyone lies – that’s another national epidemic – and they got caught out. So, it looks like Oliver is staying, which brings us back to professionalism. Football is a business, players are a commodity and, right now, Oliver is signed to a $1.3m-a-season contract. He can whinge and moan until the cows come home, but the expectation is that he returns for the 2025 season fit and energised to fulfil his contract at the Demons. To be fair, Melbourne people say that despite the past 10 days of headlines, Oliver understands the situation. And he hopes – and the Demons hope – and footy hopes – that he rediscovers the form that had him rated as a top-10 player in the competition for many years. Which brings us to Bailey Smith. He also has his mental health issues and also wants to get to Geelong. At 23, he said recently: “There’s a level of when you outgrow a place, or you just need a fresh change for whatever reason. I won’t get too deep into it. I feel like I’d be doing myself a disservice for the player I want to become and the person I want to become by staying in the same environment.” We’re all for self-discovery, but the Bulldogs, who spent years managing Smith’s complex world, are all for looking after their best interests. They want a pick better than Geelong’s No. 17, but that doesn’t look like eventuating. Don’t send him to the draft. Take the pick and run. It’s a business, after all.5 points
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